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Sat Jun-13-09 03:59 AM
Response to Reply #29 |
| 34. the results of the NAS vote was? |
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xxx for global warming, yyy against info about the NAS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Nat... I don't remember voting for any of those people, BTW |
| -A Message to the Nearly Converted |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 08:18 AM |
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We've turned the corner of the "hockey stick" on so many levels |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-11-09 08:34 AM |
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Technology might save a few of us........ |
Burma Jones |
Jun-11-09 08:43 AM |
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What could possibly go wrong? |
pscot |
Jun-11-09 10:50 AM |
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Thanks, but the applause belongs to Jason Bradford. I just clapped along... nt |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 11:29 AM |
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Pretty clearly stated, and true. |
tom_paine |
Jun-11-09 11:05 AM |
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Here's a comment I posted in that thread, that bears on your question. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 11:26 AM |
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a "transformation of consciousness from an economic paradigm to an ecological one" |
OKIsItJustMe |
Jun-11-09 11:44 AM |
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What you describe here made me think about economics vs. ecology |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-11-09 11:54 AM |
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As you point out, |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 12:26 PM |
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I like that analogy. |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-11-09 01:04 PM |
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Wendell Berry addresses this sort of concept in a lot of his essays. |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-11-09 06:26 PM |
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Your last paragraph, |
Delphinus |
Jun-12-09 07:51 AM |
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My comment is meant more in regards to basic needs... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-12-09 08:19 AM |
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Because corps are "people"... |
wuvuj |
Jun-14-09 07:20 PM |
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Great piece and commentary. |
Terry in Austin |
Jun-11-09 11:58 AM |
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"Business as usual", I believe. n/t |
tom_paine |
Jun-11-09 12:13 PM |
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Ah -- thanks n/t |
Terry in Austin |
Jun-11-09 01:05 PM |
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Voluntary or involuntary? |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 03:02 PM |
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Can you elaborate on/attempt to prove one proposition here? |
HamdenRice |
Jun-12-09 07:55 AM |
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"Proof" of that idea is of course impossible. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 09:06 AM |
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Oh, Glider, |
Delphinus |
Jun-12-09 07:57 AM |
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There are millions upon millions of others doing the same. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 10:21 AM |
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This "spiritual" view is why the green movement has failed so unbelievably hard... |
joshcryer |
Jun-21-09 12:37 AM |
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Gee, why does every graph have an exponential appearance? |
Gregorian |
Jun-11-09 01:59 PM |
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Conversion? So this really is religious mumbo-jumbo parading as ecological reasoning, isn't it? |
HamdenRice |
Jun-11-09 02:07 PM |
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You are as obnoxious as fuck-all and have no business here. |
Systematic Chaos |
Jun-12-09 02:30 AM |
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Is this a Forum? Or a Group? |
HamdenRice |
Jun-12-09 07:04 AM |
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"all ideas are subject to scrutiny and must stand on their own strengths and weaknesses" |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 08:09 AM |
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Day now sufficiently brightened! |
Systematic Chaos |
Jun-13-09 02:43 AM |
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point 7, car dealerships |
excess_3 |
Jun-12-09 02:21 AM |
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Thanks for the article--it was a great laugh. |
guardian |
Jun-12-09 01:13 PM |
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Oh yeah, that dang discredited hockey stick graph |
NickB79 |
Jun-12-09 02:23 PM |
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"Is the US National Academy of Sciences qualified to comment on global warming?" |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 02:33 PM |
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I'm just waiting for the OISM petition to surface . . . |
hatrack |
Jun-12-09 02:38 PM |
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the results of the NAS vote was? |
excess_3 |
Jun-13-09 03:59 AM |
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I don't remember voting on Newton's theory of gravity |
NickB79 |
Jun-13-09 10:42 AM |
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So am I to understand that you're not "nearly converted"? |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 02:41 PM |
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The conversion process... |
wuvuj |
Jun-14-09 07:30 PM |
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I agree with the premise, I disagree with the implications. |
joshcryer |
Jun-15-09 01:20 AM |
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The article ignores artificial intelligence |
Nederland |
Jun-15-09 11:48 AM |
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The terms of the debate are not determined solely by you. |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-15-09 12:54 PM |
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AI doesn't exist yet |
Nederland |
Jun-15-09 02:19 PM |
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So, let me get this straight... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-15-09 08:37 PM |
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Learn to read |
Nederland |
Jun-16-09 09:30 AM |
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I read your remark just fine, and I stand by my previous statement. |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-16-09 01:36 PM |
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Of course it's an opinion |
Nederland |
Jun-17-09 10:48 AM |
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There's a difference between a supported and unsupported opinion |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-17-09 12:16 PM |
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Natural intelligence got us into this mess. How would the artificial variety get us out? |
GliderGuider |
Jun-15-09 03:22 PM |
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By increasing the pace of innovation by several orders magnitude |
Nederland |
Jun-15-09 04:27 PM |
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"AI is the last invention humans will ever produce" |
GliderGuider |
Jun-15-09 05:14 PM |
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Innovation is what allows this discussion to happen |
Nederland |
Jun-16-09 09:35 AM |
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Yin and yang |
GliderGuider |
Jun-16-09 10:56 AM |
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The key is that you place value on the internet, but seemingly want to convice others... |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 10:10 PM |
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You're projecting. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-17-09 11:21 AM |
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The thing is that you're hung up on cost when it is simply non-existant. |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 02:18 AM |
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Good luck with that. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-18-09 05:10 AM |
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Yeah, it's religious to ascribe to an objective reality based view of "economics." |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 06:00 PM |
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I don't know where you learned your history, but that's not how it happened |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-19-09 07:48 AM |
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Nice and concise! |
GliderGuider |
Jun-19-09 08:29 AM |
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Never read Zerzan nor Quinn... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-19-09 08:58 AM |
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It's wonderful that this is now being taught in Grade 9. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-19-09 09:02 AM |
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It's not being taught across the board, but I taught it in grade 9... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-19-09 09:09 AM |
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Yeah, the whole "agriculture caused authoritarianism" argument is quite common with Zerzan. |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 12:44 AM |
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Tools do not indicate being out of equllibrium with the environment. |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 12:39 AM |
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I never said this is how things "have" to be.... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-20-09 09:49 AM |
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You never said this is the way things "have" to be but you say: |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 11:34 PM |
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Response... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-22-09 08:04 AM |
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Honestly, I don't see much disagreement here. |
joshcryer |
Jun-23-09 10:44 AM |
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The disagreement isn't about physics... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-23-09 03:36 PM |
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You err on the side of convention and aren't forward thinking. |
joshcryer |
Jun-24-09 10:34 PM |
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For a longer discussion that has this same general focus |
GliderGuider |
Jun-15-09 05:24 PM |
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It's either that or a varient of that, or all known life in the universe goes extinct. |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 02:05 AM |
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The article also "ignores" low cost fusion, high mortality pandemics, ... |
Nihil |
Jun-16-09 04:36 AM |
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I think my sigline thoroughly debunks the article. |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 04:43 AM |
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I don't have siglines turned on ... |
Nihil |
Jun-16-09 06:32 AM |
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My sig says: |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 10:05 PM |
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Thanks for posting that. |
Nihil |
Jun-17-09 03:08 AM |
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Water, water everywhere |
pscot |
Jun-17-09 12:20 PM |
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Hallelujah! The dilemma is solved! |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-16-09 01:40 PM |
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Since most of the worlds populations live in cities, and cities have comparatively small... |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 10:03 PM |
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Your first point is EXTREMELY debatable |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-17-09 12:30 PM |
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I think you ought to be a bit more open minded than that. |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 02:10 AM |
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Urban vs. rural pollution |
GliderGuider |
Jun-18-09 05:00 AM |
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I addressed that, did you even read what I wrote? |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 07:29 PM |
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How do you restrict the city to a niche that doesn't expand? |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-18-09 09:04 AM |
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Populations drop as living standards go up. They wouldn't expand because their populations... |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 07:30 PM |
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But what if a city wanted to expand? |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-19-09 12:26 AM |
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So what if they did expand? |
joshcryer |
Jun-19-09 01:25 AM |
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Our current consumption is what we did about it |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-19-09 08:28 AM |
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It would make our consumption irrelevant because we would recycle everything. |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 12:40 AM |
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Releasing self-replicating machines lose into the world's oceans |
NickB79 |
Jun-18-09 12:44 PM |
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They're not self-replicating, they're hive replicating. |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 07:31 PM |
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The Message of Overconsumption |
GliderGuider |
Jun-18-09 05:49 AM |
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