Delphinus
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Fri Jun-12-09 07:57 AM
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you are so correct with the problems being not "technical so much as spiritual" (and in case anyone misconstrues, neither of us are talking religious). We are divorced from the sacred.
I'm attempting to dream a new dream and I'm glad there are others doing the same.
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GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 08:18 AM |
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We've turned the corner of the "hockey stick" on so many levels |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-11-09 08:34 AM |
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Technology might save a few of us........ |
Burma Jones |
Jun-11-09 08:43 AM |
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What could possibly go wrong? |
pscot |
Jun-11-09 10:50 AM |
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Thanks, but the applause belongs to Jason Bradford. I just clapped along... nt |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 11:29 AM |
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Pretty clearly stated, and true. |
tom_paine |
Jun-11-09 11:05 AM |
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Here's a comment I posted in that thread, that bears on your question. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 11:26 AM |
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a "transformation of consciousness from an economic paradigm to an ecological one" |
OKIsItJustMe |
Jun-11-09 11:44 AM |
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What you describe here made me think about economics vs. ecology |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-11-09 11:54 AM |
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As you point out, |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 12:26 PM |
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I like that analogy. |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-11-09 01:04 PM |
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Wendell Berry addresses this sort of concept in a lot of his essays. |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-11-09 06:26 PM |
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Your last paragraph, |
Delphinus |
Jun-12-09 07:51 AM |
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My comment is meant more in regards to basic needs... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-12-09 08:19 AM |
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Because corps are "people"... |
wuvuj |
Jun-14-09 07:20 PM |
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Great piece and commentary. |
Terry in Austin |
Jun-11-09 11:58 AM |
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"Business as usual", I believe. n/t |
tom_paine |
Jun-11-09 12:13 PM |
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Ah -- thanks n/t |
Terry in Austin |
Jun-11-09 01:05 PM |
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Voluntary or involuntary? |
GliderGuider |
Jun-11-09 03:02 PM |
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Can you elaborate on/attempt to prove one proposition here? |
HamdenRice |
Jun-12-09 07:55 AM |
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"Proof" of that idea is of course impossible. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 09:06 AM |
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Oh, Glider, |
Delphinus |
Jun-12-09 07:57 AM |
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There are millions upon millions of others doing the same. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 10:21 AM |
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This "spiritual" view is why the green movement has failed so unbelievably hard... |
joshcryer |
Jun-21-09 12:37 AM |
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Gee, why does every graph have an exponential appearance? |
Gregorian |
Jun-11-09 01:59 PM |
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Conversion? So this really is religious mumbo-jumbo parading as ecological reasoning, isn't it? |
HamdenRice |
Jun-11-09 02:07 PM |
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You are as obnoxious as fuck-all and have no business here. |
Systematic Chaos |
Jun-12-09 02:30 AM |
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Is this a Forum? Or a Group? |
HamdenRice |
Jun-12-09 07:04 AM |
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"all ideas are subject to scrutiny and must stand on their own strengths and weaknesses" |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 08:09 AM |
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Day now sufficiently brightened! |
Systematic Chaos |
Jun-13-09 02:43 AM |
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point 7, car dealerships |
excess_3 |
Jun-12-09 02:21 AM |
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Thanks for the article--it was a great laugh. |
guardian |
Jun-12-09 01:13 PM |
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Oh yeah, that dang discredited hockey stick graph |
NickB79 |
Jun-12-09 02:23 PM |
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"Is the US National Academy of Sciences qualified to comment on global warming?" |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 02:33 PM |
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I'm just waiting for the OISM petition to surface . . . |
hatrack |
Jun-12-09 02:38 PM |
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the results of the NAS vote was? |
excess_3 |
Jun-13-09 03:59 AM |
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I don't remember voting on Newton's theory of gravity |
NickB79 |
Jun-13-09 10:42 AM |
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So am I to understand that you're not "nearly converted"? |
GliderGuider |
Jun-12-09 02:41 PM |
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The conversion process... |
wuvuj |
Jun-14-09 07:30 PM |
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I agree with the premise, I disagree with the implications. |
joshcryer |
Jun-15-09 01:20 AM |
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The article ignores artificial intelligence |
Nederland |
Jun-15-09 11:48 AM |
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The terms of the debate are not determined solely by you. |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-15-09 12:54 PM |
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AI doesn't exist yet |
Nederland |
Jun-15-09 02:19 PM |
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So, let me get this straight... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-15-09 08:37 PM |
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Learn to read |
Nederland |
Jun-16-09 09:30 AM |
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I read your remark just fine, and I stand by my previous statement. |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-16-09 01:36 PM |
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Of course it's an opinion |
Nederland |
Jun-17-09 10:48 AM |
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There's a difference between a supported and unsupported opinion |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-17-09 12:16 PM |
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Natural intelligence got us into this mess. How would the artificial variety get us out? |
GliderGuider |
Jun-15-09 03:22 PM |
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By increasing the pace of innovation by several orders magnitude |
Nederland |
Jun-15-09 04:27 PM |
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"AI is the last invention humans will ever produce" |
GliderGuider |
Jun-15-09 05:14 PM |
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Innovation is what allows this discussion to happen |
Nederland |
Jun-16-09 09:35 AM |
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Yin and yang |
GliderGuider |
Jun-16-09 10:56 AM |
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The key is that you place value on the internet, but seemingly want to convice others... |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 10:10 PM |
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You're projecting. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-17-09 11:21 AM |
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The thing is that you're hung up on cost when it is simply non-existant. |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 02:18 AM |
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Good luck with that. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-18-09 05:10 AM |
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Yeah, it's religious to ascribe to an objective reality based view of "economics." |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 06:00 PM |
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I don't know where you learned your history, but that's not how it happened |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-19-09 07:48 AM |
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Nice and concise! |
GliderGuider |
Jun-19-09 08:29 AM |
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Never read Zerzan nor Quinn... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-19-09 08:58 AM |
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It's wonderful that this is now being taught in Grade 9. |
GliderGuider |
Jun-19-09 09:02 AM |
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It's not being taught across the board, but I taught it in grade 9... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-19-09 09:09 AM |
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Yeah, the whole "agriculture caused authoritarianism" argument is quite common with Zerzan. |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 12:44 AM |
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Tools do not indicate being out of equllibrium with the environment. |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 12:39 AM |
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I never said this is how things "have" to be.... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-20-09 09:49 AM |
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You never said this is the way things "have" to be but you say: |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 11:34 PM |
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Response... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-22-09 08:04 AM |
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Honestly, I don't see much disagreement here. |
joshcryer |
Jun-23-09 10:44 AM |
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The disagreement isn't about physics... |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-23-09 03:36 PM |
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You err on the side of convention and aren't forward thinking. |
joshcryer |
Jun-24-09 10:34 PM |
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For a longer discussion that has this same general focus |
GliderGuider |
Jun-15-09 05:24 PM |
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It's either that or a varient of that, or all known life in the universe goes extinct. |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 02:05 AM |
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The article also "ignores" low cost fusion, high mortality pandemics, ... |
Nihil |
Jun-16-09 04:36 AM |
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I think my sigline thoroughly debunks the article. |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 04:43 AM |
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I don't have siglines turned on ... |
Nihil |
Jun-16-09 06:32 AM |
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My sig says: |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 10:05 PM |
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Thanks for posting that. |
Nihil |
Jun-17-09 03:08 AM |
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Water, water everywhere |
pscot |
Jun-17-09 12:20 PM |
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Hallelujah! The dilemma is solved! |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-16-09 01:40 PM |
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Since most of the worlds populations live in cities, and cities have comparatively small... |
joshcryer |
Jun-16-09 10:03 PM |
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Your first point is EXTREMELY debatable |
IrateCitizen |
Jun-17-09 12:30 PM |
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I think you ought to be a bit more open minded than that. |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 02:10 AM |
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Urban vs. rural pollution |
GliderGuider |
Jun-18-09 05:00 AM |
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I addressed that, did you even read what I wrote? |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 07:29 PM |
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How do you restrict the city to a niche that doesn't expand? |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-18-09 09:04 AM |
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Populations drop as living standards go up. They wouldn't expand because their populations... |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 07:30 PM |
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But what if a city wanted to expand? |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-19-09 12:26 AM |
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So what if they did expand? |
joshcryer |
Jun-19-09 01:25 AM |
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Our current consumption is what we did about it |
The2ndWheel |
Jun-19-09 08:28 AM |
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It would make our consumption irrelevant because we would recycle everything. |
joshcryer |
Jun-20-09 12:40 AM |
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Releasing self-replicating machines lose into the world's oceans |
NickB79 |
Jun-18-09 12:44 PM |
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They're not self-replicating, they're hive replicating. |
joshcryer |
Jun-18-09 07:31 PM |
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The Message of Overconsumption |
GliderGuider |
Jun-18-09 05:49 AM |
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