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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 03:00 PM
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34. Bible quoting
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 03:05 PM by tama
A friend of mine made this the motto of his book of poems:

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." -1 John 4:17-18.

I like this quote too: "Love is a many splendoured thing". We shouldn't try to define or limit love or perfect love as this or that, whatever we say about love, it's also something else, something more.

Western intellectual understanding of Buddhism often borders with nihilism, wich is a distortion. The Buddhist criticism of attachment is not criticism of love or compassion, but of the act of separation and alianation by mechanisms of objectifying and subjectifying) - in "perfect love" there are no hard barriers of separation, but "what is done to least of us is done to me".
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  -UA Fairbanks Ecologist - "Permafrost Is Melting Fast All Over The Arctic . . . Methane Bubbling Up" hatrack  Mar-26-09 12:23 PM   #0 
  - That doesn't sound so awesome.  phantom power   Mar-26-09 12:26 PM   #1 
  - Quick, Phantom Power - tell me some Clean Coal stories!!!  hatrack   Mar-26-09 12:28 PM   #2 
     - We aren't clapping very hard, are we...  phantom power   Mar-26-09 12:29 PM   #3 
  - What a privilege it is to be alive today.  GliderGuider   Mar-26-09 12:34 PM   #4 
  - .  stuntcat   Mar-26-09 12:43 PM   #6 
  - Actually, I'm going to step out of character for a minute.  phantom power   Mar-26-09 12:36 PM   #5 
  - Why are you scared?  GliderGuider   Mar-26-09 01:20 PM   #10 
  - It's a long way, still,  tama   Mar-26-09 01:34 PM   #11 
  - In many ways  tama   Mar-26-09 01:44 PM   #13 
  - The path that I'm on combines the two approaches  GliderGuider   Mar-26-09 02:04 PM   #14 
     - Much of the same  tama   Mar-26-09 02:13 PM   #16 
        - It's important not to just know things, but to experience them.  GliderGuider   Mar-26-09 02:20 PM   #17 
           - To experience = to transform  tama   Mar-26-09 06:25 PM   #24 
  - I think the short answer is that I *am* attached to impermanent things.  phantom power   Mar-26-09 02:35 PM   #18 
  - Like Jeebus said  tama   Mar-26-09 02:44 PM   #20 
  - I suppose, then, that I am still in favor of value-based judgements.  phantom power   Mar-26-09 02:56 PM   #22 
     - No problemo  tama   Mar-26-09 03:15 PM   #23 
  - A nice summary  OKIsItJustMe   Mar-26-09 10:09 PM   #25 
     - It's possible to love without being attached.  GliderGuider   Mar-27-09 07:46 AM   #29 
        - No, love is not possible without attachment  OKIsItJustMe   Mar-27-09 08:36 AM   #30 
           - The discussion doesn't have much to do with E/E at this point  GliderGuider   Mar-27-09 09:29 AM   #31 
           - .  XemaSab   Jun-18-09 01:41 PM   #50 
           - Bible quoting  tama   Mar-27-09 03:00 PM   #34 
  - Congratulations. nt  kristopher   Mar-26-09 10:15 PM   #26 
  - Thanks, I needed that!  dreamnightwind   Mar-27-09 04:37 AM   #28 
  - You packed for New Zealand?  XemaSab   Mar-26-09 02:04 PM   #15 
     - I've heard their immigration policy is pretty strict.  phantom power   Mar-26-09 02:37 PM   #19 
        - My step-cousin's mom is a kiwi  XemaSab   Mar-26-09 02:56 PM   #21 
  - I didn't know about the "compost" feedback mechanism.  gulfcoastliberal   Mar-26-09 12:49 PM   #7 
  - Yet another positive feedback loop - heat = increased repro = more heat = even more repro . . . .  hatrack   Mar-26-09 12:52 PM   #8 
     - That is the key...and why I say that we are already well past the "tipping point"...  truebrit71   Mar-26-09 01:43 PM   #12 
  - We have been warned and warning that  HillbillyBob   Mar-26-09 01:12 PM   #9 
  - A couple of astonishing videos from 2007  OKIsItJustMe   Mar-26-09 10:22 PM   #27 
  - We're so far past the tipping point it's not even funny  NickB79   Mar-27-09 11:12 AM   #32 
  - You're right.  GliderGuider   Mar-27-09 11:23 AM   #33 
  - Is anybody modeling the impact of this?  phantom power   Mar-27-09 03:02 PM   #35 
     - Does anyone even really want to know?  tama   Mar-27-09 03:10 PM   #36 
        - Are you interested in spending time on realistic possibilities?  phantom power   Mar-27-09 03:38 PM   #37 
           - Been there, done that  tama   Mar-27-09 04:14 PM   #38 
              - I'm thinking more in terms of "what will the new climate be like?"  phantom power   Mar-27-09 04:43 PM   #39 
                 - The problem is that it puts our attention on the model instead of the reality  GliderGuider   Mar-27-09 04:54 PM   #40 
                 - I propose that they are *both* useful questions.  phantom power   Mar-27-09 06:17 PM   #42 
                    - What's wrong with living right where you are?  GliderGuider   Mar-27-09 06:26 PM   #43 
                       - I don't know. That's what I'd like to predict!  phantom power   Mar-27-09 06:36 PM   #44 
                          - Mmmm. I see your point.  GliderGuider   Mar-27-09 06:57 PM   #45 
                          - Hmm. That isn't as funny as it seemed when I wrote it.  GliderGuider   Mar-27-09 09:20 PM   #46 
                             - Actually, that was pretty funny.  phantom power   Mar-27-09 10:18 PM   #48 
                          - I hear New Zealand is nice  XemaSab   Mar-27-09 09:47 PM   #47 
                 - Well  tama   Mar-27-09 04:58 PM   #41 
                    - We haven't seen panic yet  pscot   Mar-29-09 10:48 AM   #49 

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