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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 09:19 PM
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77. Definitely some dreaming going on here. There are 439 operating
nuclear plants on the planet, 25 under construction and 37 planned, and 74 proposed.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.htm

The majority of the reactors shut down in the last 5 years have been British Magnox reactors built in the early 1950s. These small reactors operated for over 40 years without a single loss of life, in spite of being of primitive design. They reached the end of their design life (and they were, BTW, poorly designed by modern standards). They were not abandoned because of the development of a "locally controllable efficient" power industry. In fact, no such industry exists, and the claim that we should place our faith during very desperate energy circumstances in a time of cataclysmic climate change is about as irresponsible as one can be.

Now, when this dream stuff, what you call "locally controllable efficient (ha, ha, ha, ha, ha)" industry is producing 1/100th of the power of the nuclear power, which in spite the very, very, very, very, very, very dubious claim that "private interests have turned away" from the nuclear industry, maybe then someone can come here and express fantasies about what such an industry can do.

The fact is that this industry you want us to buy into, and great risk to our families health and well being, mostly does not exist except where it is financed by extremely wealthy and myopic individuals or by massive government subsidy.

In spite of there being not one new nuclear reactor in the United States, the total share of nuclear generated power in this country has been rising yearly (due to improved operations), this in spite of a massively stupid and poorly educated population.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/nuc_generatio...

This capacity totaled in 2002 (which was a record year) 780,064,087 kilowatt hours. This was nearly three times the output of the industry back in 1983, when the last reactor came on line. Hardly an abandoned industry I think.

The fact is that in countries where there are large numbers of scientifically educated persons (that would be China and India) the expansion of nuclear industry is taking place at break neck speed. In countries where a college education consists of taking some marketing and business classes along with some social science electives (that would be the United States) energy problems are being approached with a mixture of extreme violence and fantasy. Guess which of these countries have futures and guess which will face the consequences of their poor educations and violence?

If I am wrong about this, maybe you will feel free to show me where this claimed "locally controlled" industry is sustainably operating. I defy you to show me 36,500 Megawatts of such capacity, which 10% of the output of the nuclear industry world wide.

Show me where this alleged "locally controlled" industry has anything like the 20,000 Megawatts of new nuclear capacity under construction.

Show me where this alleged "locally controlled" industry has an appreciable fraction of the 40,000 Megawatts of new nuclear capacity planned.

Show me where this alleged "locally controlled" industry has an appreciable fraction of the 60,000 Megawatts of new nuclear capacity proposed.

You can't? I didn't think so.

Oh, BTW, maybe you would like to show us one person, anywhere on the planet who "glows in the dark," as the result of nuclear operations. Just one. Anywhere. On earth. At any time. Ever.

You can't? I didn't think so.
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