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lutherj Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 08:11 PM
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31. True. I've read in various places that the estimated carrying capacity
of the earth for the human species is about 2 billion. So the question is: how to we get there? Obviously, it's unlikely there will be any political solution. Nature will supply the answer.

One idea that occurs to me is a kind of universal opt out. We start to convert existing towns into ecovillages, and offer to anyone who wants to the opportunity to live there, working to create the village, grow food, make the basic necessities. In doing so they get to opt out of mortgages and debt, plus they get guaranteed health care and retirement, and a simpler lifestyle. It would be a new kind of homesteading. However they must also agree to sterilization. Everyone else gets to make do in the shrinking economy.

Try running for president on that platform.

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  -The end of growth is here. Gregorian  Dec-24-08 04:24 PM   #0 
  - Its all about math  opihimoimoi   Dec-24-08 04:35 PM   #1 
  - Thanks for that. Beautilully articulated.....nt  Esra Star   Dec-24-08 06:05 PM   #2 
  - OMG. And I mean that. Thanks for sharing this.  Gregorian   Dec-24-08 08:21 PM   #3 
  - OMG.......OMG......I been here since 2001.....you are the first to respond to hints and clues  opihimoimoi   Dec-24-08 09:25 PM   #4 
  - Really? There are others. But not many.  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 12:15 AM   #5 
     - Me thinks we gonna have fun in discussing this challenge of addressing  opihimoimoi   Dec-25-08 11:17 AM   #6 
     - Part two of that video. Thank you!  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 12:44 PM   #8 
        - Part three  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 01:05 PM   #10 
           - Part four  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 01:06 PM   #11 
              - Part six  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 01:06 PM   #12 
                 - Part 7  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 01:07 PM   #13 
                 - Part 8  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 01:07 PM   #14 
                 - This is part six. The previous one is part five.  Gregorian   Dec-27-08 12:03 PM   #32 
     - So very well said, this deserves it's own OP in GD, I think!  tom_paine   Dec-25-08 01:43 PM   #15 
        - We are the creature that didn't know when to stop.  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 02:16 PM   #17 
  - I share your angst  Duppers   Dec-28-08 11:52 AM   #45 
  - I understand what you're saying completely  Lorien   Dec-28-08 06:37 PM   #47 
  - No wonder people don't get it. This isn't entertaining. But it's great stuff.  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 12:19 PM   #7 
  - Some people get it ....usually those that have made LEARNING an Art Form  opihimoimoi   Dec-25-08 01:02 PM   #9 
     - I'll be 53 in two weeks.  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 02:26 PM   #18 
        - 53...god, I wish I had those years back...so much to do...you are lucky...  opihimoimoi   Dec-26-08 07:05 AM   #26 
           - I've got 100 acres of redwood.  Gregorian   Dec-26-08 05:34 PM   #30 
  - I watched that years ago  Delphinus   Dec-25-08 06:33 PM   #22 
  - Most of them know how to get elected....how to SOLVE is another matter  opihimoimoi   Dec-25-08 11:49 PM   #23 
  - Interesting about the doubling effect.  joshcryer   Dec-27-08 09:47 PM   #41 
  - ...one can hope  bhikkhu   Dec-25-08 02:13 PM   #16 
  - Its called the MISERY PREVENTION DEPT....Them SQUEAKY Wheels cry our for GREASE  opihimoimoi   Dec-25-08 02:48 PM   #19 
  - You can have growth without using more energy or physical matter by embedding more  diane in sf   Dec-25-08 03:40 PM   #20 
  - I suggest you watch the video that's posted in this thread.  Gregorian   Dec-25-08 04:23 PM   #21 
  - Yes, Buckminster Fuller coined the term "ephemeralization" to describe that process  bananas   Dec-27-08 06:48 PM   #39 
  - Kick, too late to rec.  Waiting For Everyman   Dec-26-08 04:59 AM   #24 
  - Your dad got robbed by social injustice...its madness...we like to think our gov't got it but then  opihimoimoi   Dec-26-08 06:52 AM   #25 
  - This subject is highly threatening to most people.  Gregorian   Dec-26-08 11:42 AM   #27 
  - When the economy stops growing, it becomes a zero-sum game.  lutherj   Dec-26-08 02:21 PM   #28 
  - We may actually need negative growth.  Gregorian   Dec-26-08 05:22 PM   #29 
  - True. I've read in various places that the estimated carrying capacity  lutherj   Dec-26-08 08:11 PM   #31 
     - Try running for president on that platform. I love that!  Gregorian   Dec-27-08 02:50 PM   #33 
        - Actually, I think there's a substantial number of people around who are  lutherj   Dec-27-08 03:15 PM   #34 
           - Interesting videos.  Gregorian   Dec-27-08 04:28 PM   #35 
              - I've wondered occasionally if the current population density isn't partially  lutherj   Dec-27-08 04:45 PM   #36 
                 - I've always thought that.  Gregorian   Dec-27-08 05:27 PM   #37 
                    - Hey, 100 acres in the hinterlands sounds comfy....I hope it got water on it...like a stream  opihimoimoi   Dec-27-08 06:09 PM   #38 
                       - That was a great film.  Gregorian   Dec-27-08 08:53 PM   #40 
                          - Hot water during winter...whad ya doing??? Oh well, I guess ya go too much fire wood  opihimoimoi   Dec-27-08 11:13 PM   #42 
  - When the economy grows, it's still a zero-sum game  NoMoreMyths   Dec-28-08 10:23 AM   #44 
     - I'm trying to imagine zero growth.  Gregorian   Dec-28-08 11:54 AM   #46 
  - Gregorian and opi: check this thread out and the YouTube it links to..  tom_paine   Dec-28-08 03:43 AM   #43 
 

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