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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:35 PM
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6. That first option is seriously FUBAR!
> (1) try to do planetary engineering and bring the atmospheric CO2
> concentration down to what it was before mass extraction of fossil fuels

There is just no fucking way that the current generations of scientists,
industrialists and politicians can get this right. Unfortunately, the
penalty for trying it but getting it wrong is far worse than letting
nature do the cleanup by itself (including human near-extinction).

There is no opportunity to be "learning as you go along" because there
simply isn't a "reset button" to allow you to restore from backup and
try again.

I put supporters of option #1 in the same camp as dominionists, rapture
preachers and other fanatical suicide/murder merchants.
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  -Scientists urge caution in ocean-CO2 capture schemes OKIsItJustMe  Dec-15-08 11:38 AM   #0 
  - Can anyone say "Algae Bloom" or "Red Tide"?  Vincardog   Dec-15-08 12:10 PM   #1 
  - This idea is fucked up beyond belief. nt  lulu in NC   Dec-15-08 01:12 PM   #2 
  - No it's not  izquierdista   Dec-15-08 01:59 PM   #3 
     - The second path...  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-15-08 02:07 PM   #4 
     - Cooperation vs. confrontation  izquierdista   Dec-15-08 02:35 PM   #5 
        - You have got to be joking.  Nihil   Dec-15-08 02:40 PM   #7 
           - I'll advance my arse, thank you  izquierdista   Dec-15-08 03:02 PM   #9 
           - Figures ... going backwards into the future ...  Nihil   Dec-16-08 04:48 AM   #24 
           - It's already broken, the question is whether we should try to fix it or not  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-15-08 04:29 PM   #15 
              - The extent of our "fixing" is simply to stop our output.  Nihil   Dec-16-08 04:29 AM   #23 
                 - Read the graph again  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 08:30 AM   #25 
                    - Whoops ...  Nihil   Dec-16-08 09:12 AM   #26 
                       - Nature's "fix"  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 11:12 AM   #27 
                          - We're emitting CO2 ten times faster than tthe Deccan Traps did  GliderGuider   Dec-16-08 11:23 AM   #28 
                             - We may have already done it.  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 11:38 AM   #29 
                             - Remember, duration is important as well as rate  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 12:10 PM   #32 
                                - There's a theory that says the rate is as important as the total volume of gas emitted  GliderGuider   Dec-16-08 12:20 PM   #34 
                                   - Actually, I agree.  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 01:31 PM   #35 
     - That first option is seriously FUBAR!  Nihil   Dec-15-08 02:35 PM   #6 
     - If humans can't engineer their environment  izquierdista   Dec-15-08 03:14 PM   #11 
        - That was a good (albeit accidental) analogy: humans *are* no better than yeasts ...  Nihil   Dec-16-08 03:07 AM   #22 
           - This is (quite simply) untrue  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 11:55 AM   #31 
              - Has the global population started declining yet?  GliderGuider   Dec-16-08 12:15 PM   #33 
                 - The curve is starting to shoulder  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 01:39 PM   #36 
                 - Do you suppose it's instinctual ?  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-16-08 02:37 PM   #37 
     - It's fucked up - and it's called anthropogenic eutrophication  jpak   Dec-15-08 02:56 PM   #8 
        - The problem with iron  izquierdista   Dec-15-08 03:11 PM   #10 
        - Ugh - a short tutorial FYI  jpak   Dec-15-08 03:22 PM   #12 
        - That is probably the worst post you've ever written.  kristopher   Dec-15-08 03:54 PM   #13 
           - Sorry Kristopher - anthropogenic eutrophication is anthropogenic eutrophication.  jpak   Dec-15-08 04:25 PM   #14 
           - You should reread your references with what I wrote in mind.  kristopher   Dec-15-08 08:44 PM   #20 
              - Sorry, the science clearly indicates that it doesn't work  jpak   Dec-16-08 11:52 AM   #30 
           - But wait...there's more...  jpak   Dec-15-08 04:47 PM   #16 
              - Another citation supporting what I wrote  kristopher   Dec-15-08 08:51 PM   #21 
  - What could possibly go wrong? We know EXACTLY how to terraform!!!  hatrack   Dec-15-08 05:19 PM   #17 
  - How much worse can we make things? (Really)  OKIsItJustMe   Dec-15-08 05:34 PM   #18 
  - Perhaps it's more than a one step process  angryfirelord   Dec-15-08 06:16 PM   #19 

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