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Wed Dec-17-08 02:43 AM
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| 93. It isn't included in this paper |
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but another recent paper compared the long term continued use of thermal technology like nuclear and found a significant different in world temperature rise when modeling solving climate change by nuclear and solving it by solar. Nuclear added heat, while solar reduced heat.
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| -Nuclear and ethanol least effective climate change solutions |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 01:57 PM |
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how does nuclear power add to global warming? |
QuestionAll |
Dec-07-08 02:02 PM |
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Magic |
Pigwidgeon |
Dec-07-08 02:08 PM |
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The study looks not only at direct CO2e contributions, but |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 02:19 PM |
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Nuclear is so expensive, that the relative benefit is much smaller per buck |
greenman3610 |
Dec-07-08 02:22 PM |
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That's true, but |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 02:26 PM |
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Dec-07-08 04:21 PM |
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Well, Stanford and MIT agree with me |
greenman3610 |
Dec-07-08 07:25 PM |
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Actually he scores pretty low on IQ tests. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 07:36 PM |
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According to the paper... |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 02:57 PM |
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I have it on file in pdf via email. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 03:48 PM |
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I'm noting the exact opposite, actually. |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 03:57 PM |
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It's in the summary provided in the OP. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 04:02 PM |
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Thought so. nt |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 04:09 PM |
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Don't fib... |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 04:25 PM |
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Well, as I said... |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 04:36 PM |
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What is there to respond to? |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 04:44 PM |
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Here is the relevant section; have at it... |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 04:52 PM |
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Which translates into figures thusly: |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 05:07 PM |
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Here is the "supporting text" |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 05:15 PM |
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not artificially deflating would be a start. |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 07:10 PM |
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So far you've provided exactly 0 valid criticisms. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 07:22 PM |
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Sigh |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 07:43 PM |
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Attacking the messenger isn't a valid criticism. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 07:55 PM |
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Oh dear... |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 08:27 PM |
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That wasn't your assertion |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 09:09 PM |
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You still seem be to be confused |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 09:59 PM |
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Back up a few more posts. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 10:14 PM |
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Are we talking about the same thread? |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 10:26 PM |
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I'm more in agreement with the parrot. |
Citizen Number 9 |
Dec-09-08 01:27 AM |
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I don't see the basis for your claim |
kristopher |
Dec-09-08 01:54 AM |
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Google the guy, he works with windmill venture capitalists. |
joshcryer |
Dec-11-08 04:24 PM |
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" The opportunity-cost emissions of the least-emitting technology is, by definition, zero." |
bananas |
Dec-07-08 05:18 PM |
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then why are the opportunity costs for 3 different technologies rated at zero? |
QuestionAll |
Dec-08-08 11:25 PM |
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I wish he would explain the "adjusted for < 1.0" comment. |
joshcryer |
Dec-09-08 12:56 AM |
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I take it that it is me you are misquoting? |
kristopher |
Dec-09-08 01:23 AM |
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Sorry if you felt I misquoted you. |
joshcryer |
Dec-09-08 06:30 AM |
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So you reject the idea of opportunity cost? |
kristopher |
Dec-09-08 08:01 AM |
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No, I think it is unfair to cite three technologies as having equal (0) opportunity cost. |
joshcryer |
Dec-10-08 01:47 AM |
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Yeah, science is often called unfair by people with an agenda, |
kristopher |
Dec-10-08 07:00 AM |
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What is my agenda? |
joshcryer |
Dec-11-08 04:20 PM |
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The methodology for opportunity cost from delays is described in section 4b |
bananas |
Dec-09-08 06:22 PM |
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He makes assumptions about his CSP/Solar-PV/windfarm baseline. |
joshcryer |
Dec-10-08 02:00 AM |
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tell you what... |
kristopher |
Dec-10-08 07:22 AM |
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He doesn't have sources for 3 of the technologies listed. |
joshcryer |
Dec-11-08 04:18 PM |
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I don't need to insult you. |
kristopher |
Dec-11-08 04:20 PM |
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No, I think I'm being quite civilized compared to you guys. |
joshcryer |
Dec-11-08 04:23 PM |
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Well, that's easy. |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-09-08 03:53 AM |
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. |
XemaSab |
Dec-09-08 12:02 AM |
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But what if he wuz teh kitteh instead? |
Gentle Giant |
Dec-10-08 08:11 AM |
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Imagination. When you can't do real science, you make stuff up. |
NNadir |
Dec-07-08 04:18 PM |
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Jacobson has a lot of papers published in peer reviewed journals. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 04:24 PM |
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Dec-07-08 04:36 PM |
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NNadir is fluff - he's just a pretender. |
bananas |
Dec-07-08 05:09 PM |
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NNadir is an expert at making stuff up - he does it all the time. |
bananas |
Dec-07-08 05:14 PM |
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I love |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 05:18 PM |
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The Charlatan NJ Molten Salt Breeder Reactor is "made up" |
jpak |
Dec-07-08 09:50 PM |
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If you have bad brain chemicals - make stuff up |
jpak |
Dec-12-08 08:51 AM |
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If you've exceeded your doctor prescribed limit of three thoughts per month, |
Gentle Giant |
Dec-17-08 09:15 PM |
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Complete lifecycle emissions include construction, mining, enrichment, etc |
bananas |
Dec-07-08 05:04 PM |
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why aren't those same costs applied to wind and solar...? |
QuestionAll |
Dec-07-08 08:49 PM |
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They are applied. Or can't you read. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 09:12 PM |
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i guess not- because i don't see anything in the op or bananas post to that effect... |
QuestionAll |
Dec-07-08 09:41 PM |
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Please forgive my snippy attitude |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 09:49 PM |
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why do wind and solar have ZERO "Opportunity cost emissions due to delays" ? |
QuestionAll |
Dec-07-08 09:58 PM |
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I retract the apology |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 10:02 PM |
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They have zero cost if you subtract the cost |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 10:08 PM |
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Poor little feller just ain't right in the head.... |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 10:20 PM |
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Since the nukenut is trying to cloud your understanding, here... |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 10:35 PM |
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Of course, you still haven't explained why. |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-07-08 11:13 PM |
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There is nothing to explain. |
kristopher |
Dec-07-08 11:23 PM |
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It's OK, Kris... |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-08-08 12:23 AM |
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Hey, this is interesting... |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-08-08 01:25 PM |
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you're the one that seems wrong to me... |
QuestionAll |
Dec-09-08 10:55 AM |
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Of coourse you have no basis for that conclusion... |
kristopher |
Dec-09-08 11:45 AM |
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"Opportunity cost" is an economics term which is ALWAYS EXACTLY ZERO for the least-cost item |
bananas |
Dec-08-08 02:29 PM |
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then why is more than one of the items rated at zero? |
QuestionAll |
Dec-08-08 11:24 PM |
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If two or more items have the same delay, then they have the same cost of delay |
bananas |
Dec-09-08 06:03 PM |
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Actually, PV, tidal, and wave are baselined on CSP. |
joshcryer |
Dec-10-08 01:52 AM |
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Actually you don't know what you are talking about. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-08 07:24 AM |
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Posting a page of text does not invalidate what I have said. |
joshcryer |
Dec-11-08 04:21 PM |
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Let's be honest, he's being arbitrary. |
joshcryer |
Dec-09-08 06:44 AM |
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No, he's being complete. |
bananas |
Dec-09-08 06:35 PM |
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It isn't included in this paper |
kristopher |
Dec-17-08 02:43 AM |
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Well, post it up when you find it |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-17-08 03:19 AM |
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Sure, have at it |
kristopher |
Dec-17-08 01:37 PM |
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Awesome |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-17-08 06:32 PM |
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I forgot, you're the person that only knows how to read investor brochures... |
kristopher |
Dec-17-08 07:15 PM |
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lol |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-17-08 08:11 PM |
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All right, you've sucked me in. |
kristopher |
Dec-17-08 08:53 PM |
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Err, dude... |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-17-08 09:22 PM |
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Er, Sean... |
kristopher |
Dec-17-08 11:57 PM |
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Oh, for pity's sake. |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-18-08 12:47 AM |
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Oh for pity's sake Sean... |
kristopher |
Dec-18-08 01:01 AM |
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OK, there must be some rendering difference |
Dead_Parrot |
Dec-18-08 01:46 AM |
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ethanol based on Fungus is extraordinarily efficient, Rice straw can produce an equal weight in food |
sam sarrha |
Dec-07-08 02:20 PM |
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plant sugars distilled into gasoline.... |
madrchsod |
Dec-07-08 02:29 PM |
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Not to mention the fact that geoagriculture is responsible for a lot of water loss. |
joshcryer |
Dec-12-08 04:14 AM |
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Abstract and Supplementary Information |
bananas |
Dec-08-08 02:15 AM |
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Thank you for posting this. |
joshcryer |
Dec-08-08 04:31 AM |
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mispost |
joshcryer |
Dec-09-08 06:28 AM |
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I thought nuclear's CO2 problem was with uranium mining |
HamdenRice |
Dec-09-08 07:47 AM |
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He isn't focused on opportunity cost. |
kristopher |
Dec-09-08 08:09 AM |
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Unless the CO2 emission required to mine and process uranium are a lot higher |
HamdenRice |
Dec-09-08 08:50 AM |
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Have you troubled yourself to read the paper? |
kristopher |
Dec-09-08 09:01 AM |
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So having read the paper 4 times over, consulted slides, I believe he's correct, politically... |
joshcryer |
Dec-12-08 04:12 AM |
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Thank you for the link to the slides. I hadn't seent them and they are informative. |
kristopher |
Dec-15-08 12:16 AM |
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Yeah, it's going to be great. I think nuclear is going the way of the dodo. |
joshcryer |
Dec-18-08 02:38 AM |
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