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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. He doesn't have sources for 3 of the technologies listed.
He makes assumptions. So please don't insult me. I read the article.
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  -Nuclear and ethanol least effective climate change solutions kristopher  Dec-07-08 01:57 PM   #0 
  - how does nuclear power add to global warming?  QuestionAll   Dec-07-08 02:02 PM   #1 
  - Magic  Pigwidgeon   Dec-07-08 02:08 PM   #2 
  - The study looks not only at direct CO2e contributions, but  kristopher   Dec-07-08 02:19 PM   #3 
  - Nuclear is so expensive, that the relative benefit is much smaller per buck  greenman3610   Dec-07-08 02:22 PM   #5 
  - That's true, but  kristopher   Dec-07-08 02:26 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-07-08 04:21 PM   #14 
     - Well, Stanford and MIT agree with me  greenman3610   Dec-07-08 07:25 PM   #29 
        - Actually he scores pretty low on IQ tests.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 07:36 PM   #30 
  - According to the paper...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 02:57 PM   #8 
  - I have it on file in pdf via email.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 03:48 PM   #9 
     - I'm noting the exact opposite, actually.  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 03:57 PM   #10 
        - It's in the summary provided in the OP.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 04:02 PM   #11 
        - Thought so. nt  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 04:09 PM   #12 
           - Don't fib...  kristopher   Dec-07-08 04:25 PM   #16 
              - Well, as I said...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 04:36 PM   # 
                 - What is there to respond to?  kristopher   Dec-07-08 04:44 PM   #18 
                 - Here is the relevant section; have at it...  kristopher   Dec-07-08 04:52 PM   #19 
                    - Which translates into figures thusly:  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 05:07 PM   #21 
                       - Here is the "supporting text"  kristopher   Dec-07-08 05:15 PM   #24 
                       - not artificially deflating would be a start.  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 07:10 PM   #27 
                          - So far you've provided exactly 0 valid criticisms.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 07:22 PM   #28 
                             - Sigh  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 07:43 PM   #31 
                             - Attacking the messenger isn't a valid criticism.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 07:55 PM   #32 
                                - Oh dear...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 08:27 PM   #33 
                                   - That wasn't your assertion  kristopher   Dec-07-08 09:09 PM   #35 
                                      - You still seem be to be confused  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 09:59 PM   #41 
                                         - Back up a few more posts.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 10:14 PM   #44 
                                         - Are we talking about the same thread?  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 10:26 PM   #46 
                             - I'm more in agreement with the parrot.  Citizen Number 9   Dec-09-08 01:27 AM   #60 
                                - I don't see the basis for your claim  kristopher   Dec-09-08 01:54 AM   #61 
                                - Google the guy, he works with windmill venture capitalists.  joshcryer   Dec-11-08 04:24 PM   #88 
                       - " The opportunity-cost emissions of the least-emitting technology is, by definition, zero."  bananas   Dec-07-08 05:18 PM   #26 
                          - then why are the opportunity costs for 3 different technologies rated at zero?  QuestionAll   Dec-08-08 11:25 PM   #56 
                             - I wish he would explain the "adjusted for < 1.0" comment.  joshcryer   Dec-09-08 12:56 AM   #58 
                             - I take it that it is me you are misquoting?  kristopher   Dec-09-08 01:23 AM   #59 
                                - Sorry if you felt I misquoted you.  joshcryer   Dec-09-08 06:30 AM   #64 
                                   - So you reject the idea of opportunity cost?  kristopher   Dec-09-08 08:01 AM   #67 
                                   - No, I think it is unfair to cite three technologies as having equal (0) opportunity cost.  joshcryer   Dec-10-08 01:47 AM   #76 
                                      - Yeah, science is often called unfair by people with an agenda,  kristopher   Dec-10-08 07:00 AM   #79 
                                         - What is my agenda?  joshcryer   Dec-11-08 04:20 PM   #84 
                                   - The methodology for opportunity cost from delays is described in section 4b  bananas   Dec-09-08 06:22 PM   #74 
                                      - He makes assumptions about his CSP/Solar-PV/windfarm baseline.  joshcryer   Dec-10-08 02:00 AM   #78 
                                         - tell you what...  kristopher   Dec-10-08 07:22 AM   #80 
                                            - He doesn't have sources for 3 of the technologies listed.  joshcryer   Dec-11-08 04:18 PM   #83 
                                            - I don't need to insult you.  kristopher   Dec-11-08 04:20 PM   #85 
                                            - No, I think I'm being quite civilized compared to you guys.  joshcryer   Dec-11-08 04:23 PM   #87 
                             - Well, that's easy.  Dead_Parrot   Dec-09-08 03:53 AM   #62 
        - .  XemaSab   Dec-09-08 12:02 AM   #57 
           - But what if he wuz teh kitteh instead?  Gentle Giant   Dec-10-08 08:11 AM   #82 
  - Imagination. When you can't do real science, you make stuff up.  NNadir   Dec-07-08 04:18 PM   #13 
  - Jacobson has a lot of papers published in peer reviewed journals.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 04:24 PM   #15 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-07-08 04:36 PM   #17 
     - NNadir is fluff - he's just a pretender.  bananas   Dec-07-08 05:09 PM   #22 
  - NNadir is an expert at making stuff up - he does it all the time.  bananas   Dec-07-08 05:14 PM   #23 
  - I love  kristopher   Dec-07-08 05:18 PM   #25 
  - The Charlatan NJ Molten Salt Breeder Reactor is "made up"  jpak   Dec-07-08 09:50 PM   #39 
  - If you have bad brain chemicals - make stuff up  jpak   Dec-12-08 08:51 AM   #91 
     - If you've exceeded your doctor prescribed limit of three thoughts per month,  Gentle Giant   Dec-17-08 09:15 PM   #100 
  - Complete lifecycle emissions include construction, mining, enrichment, etc  bananas   Dec-07-08 05:04 PM   #20 
  - why aren't those same costs applied to wind and solar...?  QuestionAll   Dec-07-08 08:49 PM   #34 
     - They are applied. Or can't you read.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 09:12 PM   #36 
        - i guess not- because i don't see anything in the op or bananas post to that effect...  QuestionAll   Dec-07-08 09:41 PM   #37 
           - Please forgive my snippy attitude  kristopher   Dec-07-08 09:49 PM   #38 
              - why do wind and solar have ZERO "Opportunity cost emissions due to delays" ?  QuestionAll   Dec-07-08 09:58 PM   #40 
                 - I retract the apology  kristopher   Dec-07-08 10:02 PM   #42 
                 - They have zero cost if you subtract the cost  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 10:08 PM   #43 
                 - Poor little feller just ain't right in the head....  kristopher   Dec-07-08 10:20 PM   #45 
                 - Since the nukenut is trying to cloud your understanding, here...  kristopher   Dec-07-08 10:35 PM   #47 
                 - Of course, you still haven't explained why.  Dead_Parrot   Dec-07-08 11:13 PM   #48 
                 - There is nothing to explain.  kristopher   Dec-07-08 11:23 PM   #49 
                 - It's OK, Kris...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-08-08 12:23 AM   #50 
                 - Hey, this is interesting...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-08-08 01:25 PM   #53 
                 - you're the one that seems wrong to me...  QuestionAll   Dec-09-08 10:55 AM   #71 
                    - Of coourse you have no basis for that conclusion...  kristopher   Dec-09-08 11:45 AM   #72 
                 - "Opportunity cost" is an economics term which is ALWAYS EXACTLY ZERO for the least-cost item  bananas   Dec-08-08 02:29 PM   #54 
                    - then why is more than one of the items rated at zero?  QuestionAll   Dec-08-08 11:24 PM   #55 
                    - If two or more items have the same delay, then they have the same cost of delay  bananas   Dec-09-08 06:03 PM   #73 
                       - Actually, PV, tidal, and wave are baselined on CSP.  joshcryer   Dec-10-08 01:52 AM   #77 
                          - Actually you don't know what you are talking about.  kristopher   Dec-10-08 07:24 AM   #81 
                             - Posting a page of text does not invalidate what I have said.  joshcryer   Dec-11-08 04:21 PM   #86 
                    - Let's be honest, he's being arbitrary.  joshcryer   Dec-09-08 06:44 AM   #65 
                       - No, he's being complete.  bananas   Dec-09-08 06:35 PM   #75 
  - It isn't included in this paper  kristopher   Dec-17-08 02:43 AM   #93 
     - Well, post it up when you find it  Dead_Parrot   Dec-17-08 03:19 AM   #94 
        - Sure, have at it  kristopher   Dec-17-08 01:37 PM   #95 
           - Awesome  Dead_Parrot   Dec-17-08 06:32 PM   #96 
              - I forgot, you're the person that only knows how to read investor brochures...  kristopher   Dec-17-08 07:15 PM   #97 
                 - lol  Dead_Parrot   Dec-17-08 08:11 PM   #98 
                    - All right, you've sucked me in.  kristopher   Dec-17-08 08:53 PM   #99 
                       - Err, dude...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-17-08 09:22 PM   #101 
                          - Er, Sean...  kristopher   Dec-17-08 11:57 PM   #102 
                             - Oh, for pity's sake.  Dead_Parrot   Dec-18-08 12:47 AM   #103 
                                - Oh for pity's sake Sean...  kristopher   Dec-18-08 01:01 AM   #104 
                                   - OK, there must be some rendering difference  Dead_Parrot   Dec-18-08 01:46 AM   #105 
  - ethanol based on Fungus is extraordinarily efficient, Rice straw can produce an equal weight in food  sam sarrha   Dec-07-08 02:20 PM   #4 
  - plant sugars distilled into gasoline....  madrchsod   Dec-07-08 02:29 PM   #7 
  - Not to mention the fact that geoagriculture is responsible for a lot of water loss.  joshcryer   Dec-12-08 04:14 AM   #90 
  - Abstract and Supplementary Information  bananas   Dec-08-08 02:15 AM   #51 
  - Thank you for posting this.  joshcryer   Dec-08-08 04:31 AM   #52 
  - mispost  joshcryer   Dec-09-08 06:28 AM   #63 
  - I thought nuclear's CO2 problem was with uranium mining  HamdenRice   Dec-09-08 07:47 AM   #66 
  - He isn't focused on opportunity cost.  kristopher   Dec-09-08 08:09 AM   #68 
     - Unless the CO2 emission required to mine and process uranium are a lot higher  HamdenRice   Dec-09-08 08:50 AM   #69 
        - Have you troubled yourself to read the paper?  kristopher   Dec-09-08 09:01 AM   #70 
  - So having read the paper 4 times over, consulted slides, I believe he's correct, politically...  joshcryer   Dec-12-08 04:12 AM   #89 
     - Thank you for the link to the slides. I hadn't seent them and they are informative.  kristopher   Dec-15-08 12:16 AM   #92 
        - Yeah, it's going to be great. I think nuclear is going the way of the dodo.  joshcryer   Dec-18-08 02:38 AM   #106 
 

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