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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 12:37 PM
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32. Why are you replying to yourself?
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 12:53 PM by kristopher
"There is enough excess capacity in the grid as it now exists to meet the needs of transportation. The plug in electric acts as a storage medium allowing both much more efficient use of the existing grid infrastructure and the replacement of that existing infrastructure by more intermittent sources like wind and solar.
The real point is that there is no need of greater innovation. Existing technologies in wind, solar and energy storage have the capability to cost effectively replace the existing fossil fuel infrastructure in both the personal transportation and electrical generation sectors. The only obstacle to price reduction is a failure on the part of policy makers to commit to a new infrastructure; a move that would ensure demand that leads to investment that leads to mass production and economy of scale price reductions..."

"Would you agree that with cheap storage, renewables can provide for home and personal transport? Solar, augmented by wind supported by cheap storage are the necessary ingredients, right? Figuring money is no object, you can go out right now and easily get somewhere between 80-100% off the grid right?

Mass produced lithium batteries and mass produced solar PV, mass produced solar thermal and mass produced home geothermal heat pumps; and we are most of the way there as we size each system for each home. Mass produced lithium batteries for EVs also, and mass produced EVs and we really really are almost there. Community scale and large projects of wind and solar feed a grid balanced by CAES on natural gas (70% reduction in fuel use from excess wind and solar production stored as compressed air).

It will work.

No coal.
Diminishing nuclear.
Very little natural gas; which we can get from renewable resources; no matter the scepticism of many here. I mean we have a lot of waste that is processed in this country, and we have a lot of farm waste that should be processed. These CAES could also run on biodiesel.

Remember the grid is only for minimal support for what your home system can't do.

Demand creates supply. Supply builds this infrastructure.

And everything is ready to deploy now. All that is required is to create a demand that will build the manufacturing base to reduce price."

And IDemo gives these sources:
"EV's, even those powered from coal burning plants, would have significantly reduced CO2 output compared to an equivalent number of internal combustion vehicles.

See - 'Debunking the Myth of EVs and Smokestacks'

Also, a study done by Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (DOE) showed that up to 84% of our current light vehicle fleet could be powered electrically with no additional capacity added to the grid.

See - 'Mileage from Megawatts'"
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  -Big Coal Fires Back Over James Hansen’s Criminal Complaint kgrandia  Jun-25-08 10:20 PM   #0 
  - Burning Fossil Fuels is OVER . . . it's already suicidal ---  defendandprotect   Jun-25-08 10:36 PM   #1 
  - And Peabody  kgrandia   Jun-25-08 10:41 PM   #2 
  - Oh, we can make things worse.  tom_paine   Jun-26-08 07:35 AM   #5 
  - People are wondering about Obama's intent  kristopher   Jun-25-08 10:53 PM   #3 
     - Maybe if the money  DiktatrW   Jun-25-08 11:15 PM   #4 
     - How about making Electric Cars . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-26-08 02:24 PM   #7 
        - I like that idea.  DiktatrW   Jun-26-08 05:40 PM   #8 
        - If burning fossil fuel is suicidal, how will electric cars help?  Howzit   Jun-26-08 08:40 PM   #9 
           - I applaud your suggestion that we walk more...  kristopher   Jun-26-08 09:00 PM   #10 
           - The Tesla is interesting and if they find many buyers, more power to them  Howzit   Jun-26-08 11:10 PM   #14 
              - Electric cars are cleaner even when powered by coal  wtmusic   Jun-27-08 09:59 AM   #17 
              - I see you prefer to ignorance to having your beliefs challenged  kristopher   Jun-27-08 10:45 AM   #18 
                 - I am responsible for my own ignorance  Howzit   Jun-27-08 01:31 PM   #22 
                    - Los Angeles' current capacity can accept 2 million electric cars  wtmusic   Jun-27-08 02:01 PM   #23 
                    - There is enough excess capacity in the grid  kristopher   Jun-27-08 02:13 PM   #24 
                       - Is the Tesla the right vehicle to promote electric cars?  Howzit   Jun-28-08 07:06 PM   #26 
                          - Tesla is 'proof of concept'  kristopher   Jun-28-08 11:04 PM   #28 
                          - The paper on sustainable energy can be read in small chunks from  Howzit   Jun-29-08 06:36 AM   #30 
                             - Now you are going into another area you clearly know little about  kristopher   Jun-29-08 12:11 PM   #31 
                             - If studies on climate change are not founded on raw weather station data  Howzit   Jun-29-08 03:55 PM   #34 
                                - You are over simplifying the climate issue  kristopher   Jun-29-08 07:04 PM   #35 
                             - OK I read the executive summary  kristopher   Jun-29-08 10:26 PM   #37 
                                - I think the reason south facing PV roof placements were used in the author's analysis  Howzit   Jun-30-08 05:10 AM   #38 
                                   - That much is self evident.  kristopher   Jun-30-08 11:41 AM   #39 
                                      - "you recommended it repeatedly with the implication that it formed the basis of your thinking "  Howzit   Jun-30-08 01:38 PM   #42 
                                         - Determine the requirenement based on what it is you expect to accomplish  kristopher   Jun-30-08 02:09 PM   #43 
                                            - "why you take it as a given that the individual should be responsible for paying for the panels. "  Howzit   Jun-30-08 09:22 PM   #44 
                                               - OK  kristopher   Jul-01-08 12:21 AM   #45 
                                               - "Never forget the Law of Unintended Consequences"  Howzit   Jul-01-08 01:10 AM   #46 
                                               - That's the problem with ideology  kristopher   Jul-01-08 03:16 PM   #48 
                                               - A heck of a good return on investment  Howzit   Jul-01-08 09:02 PM   #50 
                                               - The dollars don't correlete to the energy. nt  kristopher   Jul-01-08 09:09 PM   #51 
                                               - Isn't the energy worth a certain number of dollars per kW hour?  Howzit   Jul-01-08 09:21 PM   #52 
                                               - That can be a complex question.  kristopher   Jul-01-08 10:47 PM   #53 
                                               - Some people communicate more clearly than others  Howzit   Jul-01-08 01:26 AM   #47 
                                               - Tax reductions on all forms of energy for everyone!  Howzit   Jul-01-08 08:58 PM   #49 
                          - "O" For the "P"  bobbolink   Jun-29-08 02:35 PM   #33 
                             - Electric transportation  kristopher   Jun-29-08 07:12 PM   #36 
                                - And you think name-calling enhances your position?  bobbolink   Jun-30-08 12:38 PM   #40 
                                   - Name calling?  kristopher   Jun-30-08 01:19 PM   #41 
           - First of all, we don't need a "grid" and dragging electricity across 15 states . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-26-08 10:20 PM   #11 
           - OK; So wind and solar power are so obvious  Howzit   Jun-26-08 10:58 PM   #13 
              - Always 20 years away in the minds of those promoting the Republican energy plan, you mean.  kristopher   Jun-27-08 11:16 AM   #20 
              - humorous . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-27-08 12:53 PM   #21 
           - If CO2 reduction is your goal, electric cars may not yet be much better than cars burning gasoline.  Howzit   Jun-28-08 09:44 PM   #27 
              - Why are you replying to yourself?  kristopher   Jun-29-08 12:37 PM   #32 
     - Very interesting link. I feel compelled to point out that correlation does not equal causation.  tom_paine   Jun-26-08 07:43 AM   #6 
     - It's good to be explicit.  kristopher   Jun-26-08 10:41 PM   #12 
        - What aspect of Obama's plans are going to put all 85,000 coal workers out of work?  tom_paine   Jun-27-08 08:09 AM   #16 
           - "Clean coal" with "carbon sequestration"  kristopher   Jun-27-08 10:59 AM   #19 
              - Understood. Thanks. But if I am reading your post correctly, there's no  tom_paine   Jun-27-08 03:20 PM   #25 
                 - I'll get a copy, thanks.  kristopher   Jun-28-08 11:11 PM   #29 
     - An op-ed  kgrandia   Jun-26-08 11:29 PM   #15 
 

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