You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #20: Always 20 years away in the minds of those promoting the Republican energy plan, you mean. [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU
kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. Always 20 years away in the minds of those promoting the Republican energy plan, you mean.
I'm afraid you need more knowledge on renewables and why they haven't been adopted. With today's technologies, we can replace over 80% of fossil fuels used in this nation within a couple of decades.

The only thing that stops their deployment are anti-competitive practices and policies crafted by the fossil fuel and nuclear power interests. Though their think tanks and media outlets the right wing elites have worked diligently for the past 30 years to introduce a host of false information into the discussion of our power needs. The myth that renewables and batteries need more research is bullshit. Yes, we needed more research on batteries for electric cars; but we could have used solar and lead acid batteries from 20 years ago (since you mention that number) to dramatically reduce the amount of fossil fuels used by the grid.

The only reason solar is expensive is the lack of demand induced by the policies of the fossil fuel interests. Craft policies that guarantee demand and the resulting investment in manufacturing and installation will do what it always does with simple electronic commodities - it will dramatically lower the price.


If you want confirmation that the poor analysis you've put forth here regarding electric cars, renewables and nuclear energy are bad for the public, I'd suggest you check in with the right wing think tanks that supply Hannity and Limbaugh with their talking points. You'll find you are parroting them precisely.

Of course, you might say maybe they have it right on this. I'd reply that they don't. As with every other policy in their book they are focused on perpetuating an existing power structure. Renewable energy and a desire to factor in the costs of environmental impact are their main 'enemies' in this day and age. They don't spend the time and money they do to demonize those areas unless those areas are a real threat.

Why are they a threat if renewables are presently impotent?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
  -Big Coal Fires Back Over James Hansens Criminal Complaint kgrandia  Jun-25-08 10:20 PM   #0 
  - Burning Fossil Fuels is OVER . . . it's already suicidal ---  defendandprotect   Jun-25-08 10:36 PM   #1 
  - And Peabody  kgrandia   Jun-25-08 10:41 PM   #2 
  - Oh, we can make things worse.  tom_paine   Jun-26-08 07:35 AM   #5 
  - People are wondering about Obama's intent  kristopher   Jun-25-08 10:53 PM   #3 
     - Maybe if the money  DiktatrW   Jun-25-08 11:15 PM   #4 
     - How about making Electric Cars . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Jun-26-08 02:24 PM   #7 
        - I like that idea.  DiktatrW   Jun-26-08 05:40 PM   #8 
        - If burning fossil fuel is suicidal, how will electric cars help?  Howzit   Jun-26-08 08:40 PM   #9 
           - I applaud your suggestion that we walk more...  kristopher   Jun-26-08 09:00 PM   #10 
           - The Tesla is interesting and if they find many buyers, more power to them  Howzit   Jun-26-08 11:10 PM   #14 
              - Electric cars are cleaner even when powered by coal  wtmusic   Jun-27-08 09:59 AM   #17 
              - I see you prefer to ignorance to having your beliefs challenged  kristopher   Jun-27-08 10:45 AM   #18 
                 - I am responsible for my own ignorance  Howzit   Jun-27-08 01:31 PM   #22 
                    - Los Angeles' current capacity can accept 2 million electric cars  wtmusic   Jun-27-08 02:01 PM   #23 
                    - There is enough excess capacity in the grid  kristopher   Jun-27-08 02:13 PM   #24 
                       - Is the Tesla the right vehicle to promote electric cars?  Howzit   Jun-28-08 07:06 PM   #26 
                          - Tesla is 'proof of concept'  kristopher   Jun-28-08 11:04 PM   #28 
                          - The paper on sustainable energy can be read in small chunks from  Howzit   Jun-29-08 06:36 AM   #30 
                             - Now you are going into another area you clearly know little about  kristopher   Jun-29-08 12:11 PM   #31 
                             - If studies on climate change are not founded on raw weather station data  Howzit   Jun-29-08 03:55 PM   #34 
                                - You are over simplifying the climate issue  kristopher   Jun-29-08 07:04 PM   #35 
                             - OK I read the executive summary  kristopher   Jun-29-08 10:26 PM   #37 
                                - I think the reason south facing PV roof placements were used in the author's analysis  Howzit   Jun-30-08 05:10 AM   #38 
                                   - That much is self evident.  kristopher   Jun-30-08 11:41 AM   #39 
                                      - "you recommended it repeatedly with the implication that it formed the basis of your thinking "  Howzit   Jun-30-08 01:38 PM   #42 
                                         - Determine the requirenement based on what it is you expect to accomplish  kristopher   Jun-30-08 02:09 PM   #43 
                                            - "why you take it as a given that the individual should be responsible for paying for the panels. "  Howzit   Jun-30-08 09:22 PM   #44 
                                               - OK  kristopher   Jul-01-08 12:21 AM   #45 
                                               - "Never forget the Law of Unintended Consequences"  Howzit   Jul-01-08 01:10 AM   #46 
                                               - That's the problem with ideology  kristopher   Jul-01-08 03:16 PM   #48 
                                               - A heck of a good return on investment  Howzit   Jul-01-08 09:02 PM   #50 
                                               - The dollars don't correlete to the energy. nt  kristopher   Jul-01-08 09:09 PM   #51 
                                               - Isn't the energy worth a certain number of dollars per kW hour?  Howzit   Jul-01-08 09:21 PM   #52 
                                               - That can be a complex question.  kristopher   Jul-01-08 10:47 PM   #53 
                                               - Some people communicate more clearly than others  Howzit   Jul-01-08 01:26 AM   #47 
                                               - Tax reductions on all forms of energy for everyone!  Howzit   Jul-01-08 08:58 PM   #49 
                          - "O" For the "P"  bobbolink   Jun-29-08 02:35 PM   #33 
                             - Electric transportation  kristopher   Jun-29-08 07:12 PM   #36 
                                - And you think name-calling enhances your position?  bobbolink   Jun-30-08 12:38 PM   #40 
                                   - Name calling?  kristopher   Jun-30-08 01:19 PM   #41 
           - First of all, we don't need a "grid" and dragging electricity across 15 states . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-26-08 10:20 PM   #11 
           - OK; So wind and solar power are so obvious  Howzit   Jun-26-08 10:58 PM   #13 
              - Always 20 years away in the minds of those promoting the Republican energy plan, you mean.  kristopher   Jun-27-08 11:16 AM   #20 
              - humorous . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-27-08 12:53 PM   #21 
           - If CO2 reduction is your goal, electric cars may not yet be much better than cars burning gasoline.  Howzit   Jun-28-08 09:44 PM   #27 
              - Why are you replying to yourself?  kristopher   Jun-29-08 12:37 PM   #32 
     - Very interesting link. I feel compelled to point out that correlation does not equal causation.  tom_paine   Jun-26-08 07:43 AM   #6 
     - It's good to be explicit.  kristopher   Jun-26-08 10:41 PM   #12 
        - What aspect of Obama's plans are going to put all 85,000 coal workers out of work?  tom_paine   Jun-27-08 08:09 AM   #16 
           - "Clean coal" with "carbon sequestration"  kristopher   Jun-27-08 10:59 AM   #19 
              - Understood. Thanks. But if I am reading your post correctly, there's no  tom_paine   Jun-27-08 03:20 PM   #25 
                 - I'll get a copy, thanks.  kristopher   Jun-28-08 11:11 PM   #29 
     - An op-ed  kgrandia   Jun-26-08 11:29 PM   #15 
 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Environment/Energy Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC