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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 08:16 PM
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17. Good post, but my thinking that ethanol is a scam goes well beyond the math.
It goes well beyond the oversimplified way you framed my concerns, To say ethanol is not worth developing because it can't replace all the gasoline tomorow is a false argumant.

It has to do with crop residue removal killing the soil, and shitty EROI (Energy Return on energy input/invested) for ethanol.

It has to do with the basic immorality of taking corn poor people could be eating and and shoving up our fat-assed SUV's, getting oh about 10 miles to 10,000 meals or so (I haven't done the math so this is a guess to make a point; Glider Guider has, though and could probably calculate just how many 1,000 calorie dishes of corn meal will take a Cadillac Escalade or even a Honda Civic one mile).

As to the use of ethanol production NOT imapcting the food supply, I am skeptical and will have to see some data on this from a neutral source (NOT a "study" comissioned by the Ethanol Lobbyists of Amerika, thank you) before I buy it.

I will say this, though: if you can show hard data that ethanol production does not impact the food supply, I would reconsider my position.
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  -U.S. May Free Up More Land for Corn Crops phantom power  Jun-22-08 10:23 AM   #0 
  - ya know why they push ethanol-cuz it reduces mpg and they sell more at elevated prices  natrat   Jun-22-08 10:26 AM   #1 
  - eliminate all corn/farm subsidies now - we will pay for it multiple times whatta scam nt  msongs   Jun-22-08 10:35 AM   #2 
  - Good we won't run out of corn syrup.  Skink   Jun-22-08 10:49 AM   #3 
     - If we start running out of corn syrup,  amandabeech   Jun-22-08 11:12 AM   #4 
        - Maybe We Can Get Sugar in our Soda Pop Again  AndyTiedye   Jun-22-08 12:37 PM   #5 
           - Sorry. I buy American.  amandabeech   Jun-22-08 08:37 PM   #8 
  - This a complete scam, a total con. If we used 100% of our corn for ethanol  tom_paine   Jun-22-08 01:57 PM   #6 
  - It's a tricky calculation, but the number is a lot less than 8%  GliderGuider   Jun-23-08 09:17 AM   #10 
  - i think your equation is flawed....  GreenGreenLimaBean   Jun-23-08 02:10 PM   #13 
     - On a volume basis the barrels are the same, however...  GliderGuider   Jun-23-08 03:05 PM   #15 
  - I agree with your basic statement  melody   Jun-23-08 12:50 PM   #11 
  - In most countries today and throughout history, the opposite has been true.  tom_paine   Jun-23-08 01:43 PM   #12 
  - There is NO technology currently available that will replace all the gasoline the world uses.  JohnWxy   Jun-23-08 02:15 PM   #14 
     - Good post, but my thinking that ethanol is a scam goes well beyond the math.  tom_paine   Jun-23-08 08:16 PM   #17 
  - Corn is SUCH as scam  XemaSab   Jun-22-08 02:18 PM   #7 
  - Fill your tank once, or eat corn for a year  bhikkhu   Jun-23-08 12:42 AM   #9 
  - One more casualty of the ethanol boom: wildlife  NickB79   Jun-23-08 03:50 PM   #16 

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