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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 07:21 AM
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18. The reason stocks need to be traded is that different investors have different needs
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 07:22 AM by HamdenRice
In your example, you seem to be accepting the legitimacy of a simply model of the company issuing stocks and the investors simply buying and holding. You seem to be questioning the need for a market of buyers and sellers.

So here is why you need a market, and buying and selling. Different investors have different needs. At the same time, companies go through life cycles that make them attractive to different stockholders.

For example, when a successful company first starts out and has an initial public offering (ipo), it typically does not offer dividends. That's because if it has discovered a really profitable niche, then more than likely internal re-investment of its profits is much more profitable to the investor than whatever the investor could do with dividends. Ford, for example, refused to provide a dividend for a long time (it had to be sued eventually to do so). IIRC, Microsoft also would not pay dividends. So the kind of investor who buys an ipo is someone who has the time to wait to take profits from the increase in value of the shares. For example, a young person investing for retirement might buy this kind of "growth stock."

When a company becomes mature, its internal profitability goes down, and to many investors they are better off getting the dividend and using/investing it elsewhere. The company becomes something like a utility, doing pretty much the same thing, throwing off the same dividend year after year. A retired person might invest in this kind of stock.

As the company changes from a growth stock to a mature stock, it will attract different investors. There has to be a place for one group to sell out to another.

It is also extremely important to all investors that their investments remain "liquid" -- that is, immediately convertible into cash, in case the money is needed. Hence the stock market has to be very large and liquid if it is to attract investors, and that means lots of daily trading. Speculators, while despised by many, do play a useful role in making markets liquid. There is no guarantee that the long term growth stockholder will find the retiree income stockholder in my example above, unless there are also people willing to just buy and sell as the opportunity presents itself.
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  -What about this callchet  Jan-03-09 07:16 PM   #0 
  - Nothing as long as the company doesn't need an infusion of cash  seemunkee   Jan-03-09 07:20 PM   #1 
  - Ok  callchet   Jan-03-09 07:30 PM   #2 
     - Because if demand for shares of the stock is high enough  David Ricardo   Jan-03-09 07:40 PM   #3 
     - Ok  callchet   Jan-03-09 07:43 PM   #4 
        - The fact that they exist in the first place might be the best place to look  David Ricardo   Jan-03-09 07:49 PM   #7 
        - It does provide a servce - liquidity  anigbrowl   Jan-05-09 02:57 PM   #32 
     - Many thousands of closely held businesses offer stock that is not traded.  A HERETIC I AM   Jan-03-09 07:43 PM   #5 
        - Well  callchet   Jan-03-09 07:49 PM   #6 
           - How would we efficently allocate ownership of control of corporations without them?  David Ricardo   Jan-03-09 07:55 PM   #8 
           - Here is where I see the problem  callchet   Jan-03-09 08:00 PM   #9 
              - Does intrinsic value really matter though?  David Ricardo   Jan-03-09 08:06 PM   #10 
           - Nonsense.  A HERETIC I AM   Jan-03-09 08:21 PM   #11 
           - In order for  callchet   Jan-06-09 09:17 AM   #37 
           - Chet, the stock market exists to provide a central place to buy and sell stock  Citizen Number 9   Jan-03-09 09:42 PM   #12 
              - I am looking  callchet   Jan-03-09 10:29 PM   #13 
                 - The Stock Market is a very democratic institution  Citizen Number 9   Jan-03-09 11:47 PM   #14 
                    - Even more bad news  callchet   Jan-04-09 12:33 AM   #15 
                    - Chet. Trade deficits have two sides.  Citizen Number 9   Jan-04-09 02:59 AM   #17 
                       - Trade deficit  callchet   Jan-04-09 10:37 AM   #19 
                          - Life. Who promised you a rose garden?  Citizen Number 9   Jan-04-09 01:16 PM   #22 
                             - Wal-Mart  callchet   Jan-04-09 03:32 PM   #24 
                                - Chet, some people seek out the lessons and apply them;  Citizen Number 9   Jan-04-09 04:38 PM   #25 
                                   - Wal-Mart  callchet   Jan-04-09 07:10 PM   #26 
                                   - China can make things of just about any quality you want to pay for.  Citizen Number 9   Jan-04-09 07:40 PM   #27 
                                   - OK, bright boy. Suppose everyone was "disciplined" and saved most of their surplus  eridani   Jan-05-09 07:39 AM   #28 
                                      - I'm not sure what you're getting at.  Citizen Number 9   Jan-05-09 08:39 AM   #29 
                                         - Without all those undisciplined consumers, what is there to invest in? n/t  eridani   Jan-05-09 08:41 AM   #30 
                                            - There is life outside of GameBoy, you know.  Citizen Number 9   Jan-05-09 09:07 AM   #31 
                                            - Um...you seem to think the economy begins and ends with consumer products  anigbrowl   Jan-05-09 03:30 PM   #34 
                                               - There are very small profit margins on food  eridani   Jan-06-09 04:37 AM   #36 
                                                  - WITW are you talking about?  Citizen Number 9   Jan-06-09 09:37 AM   #38 
                                                  - So where is the stock churning for General Mills? Don't see it n/t  eridani   Jan-06-09 12:13 PM   #39 
                                                  - You can't be serious. You are still doing it.  Citizen Number 9   Jan-06-09 12:31 PM   #40 
                                                  - So it's a growth stock now?  eridani   Jan-07-09 02:07 AM   #41 
                                                  - What is it you're trying to say?  Citizen Number 9   Jan-07-09 04:56 PM   #42 
                    - Jesus christ why is your freeper ass still here?  thecatburgler   Jan-09-09 04:19 PM   #43 
  - Nothing until cheap debt comes around and the company  Warpy   Jan-04-09 01:44 AM   #16 
  - The reason stocks need to be traded is that different investors have different needs  HamdenRice   Jan-04-09 07:21 AM   #18 
  - I understand  callchet   Jan-04-09 10:48 AM   #20 
     - Nothing about that made any sense.  Statistical   Jan-04-09 01:08 PM   #21 
        - Hope  callchet   Jan-04-09 03:21 PM   #23 
           - Wrong, wrong, wrong  anigbrowl   Jan-05-09 03:48 PM   #35 
  - What about this idea?  Ronnie Roach   Jan-05-09 03:09 PM   #33 
 

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