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Fri Nov-28-03 04:46 PM
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| 6. Fundamentally, this issue has been judged already |
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No matter which way it is spun, it is a weak spot for Kerry. It is best that he do everything to move beyond that one vote and focus on all the other decisions that have to be made regarding Iraq and the war on terrorism.
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| -Ted Kennedy will explain it to those of you |
blm |
Nov-28-03 01:51 PM |
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John Kerry voted for the war |
RogueTrooper |
Nov-28-03 01:54 PM |
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What does that mean? |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 02:04 PM |
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it means this very weak reasoning |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Dec-02-03 12:18 PM |
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Typical response. Stick your head in the sand. |
blm |
Nov-28-03 02:39 PM |
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Kerry did not vote for the war. The resolutions is mislabeled and Dean is |
genius |
Nov-28-03 02:51 PM |
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Dennis - 2002 |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 03:37 PM |
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Lie. Dean has always opposed war on the grounds it came about |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 07:06 PM |
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That is a lie... |
Andromeda |
Dec-01-03 08:46 PM |
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Fundamentally, this issue has been judged already |
LuminousX |
Nov-28-03 04:46 PM |
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While Dean and his supporters use deception to beat Kerry up on IWR? |
blm |
Nov-28-03 05:34 PM |
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The more he (actually he has stopped) defends, the more it just looks bad |
LuminousX |
Nov-28-03 06:16 PM |
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I'll talk about it every time they bring it up. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-28-03 06:20 PM |
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Thanks to Dean's deception and the media's complicity. |
blm |
Nov-28-03 06:32 PM |
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No deception--- clear differences. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-28-03 06:40 PM |
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Good. The best way to fight lies and memes is to refute them. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 07:09 PM |
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It is amazing to watch....... |
virtualobserver |
Dec-01-03 07:06 AM |
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Name the difference that Dean has stated. |
blm |
Dec-01-03 06:27 PM |
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He he... |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 07:47 PM |
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You know what? |
Northwind |
Nov-29-03 11:45 AM |
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Actually Kerry is tanking with no help from the IWR issue. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 07:08 PM |
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Oh, bullshit! |
Padraig18 |
Nov-28-03 06:03 PM |
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Dean still supported Biden-Lugar. Did he not understand it? |
blm |
Nov-28-03 06:30 PM |
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Since it didn't pass,... |
Padraig18 |
Nov-28-03 06:35 PM |
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No spinning Dean out of his deliberate deception. |
blm |
Nov-29-03 11:44 AM |
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Nov-30-03 04:16 PM |
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Biden-Lugar supported war |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 07:53 PM |
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Keep telling yourselves that. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-28-03 08:10 PM |
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People are misinformed |
sandnsea |
Nov-29-03 01:23 AM |
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Would that be the same Bush-enabling Gephart who voted FOR IWR? |
Padraig18 |
Nov-29-03 09:27 AM |
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He wasn't |
sandnsea |
Nov-29-03 11:53 AM |
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Blaming Dean for the US governments crappy intelligence. Wow. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:20 PM |
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Nor anyone else |
sandnsea |
Nov-30-03 04:22 PM |
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Nov-30-03 04:26 PM |
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Bush lied |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 12:13 AM |
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What I want to know...... |
virtualobserver |
Dec-01-03 07:08 AM |
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Run for President then |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 02:32 PM |
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Dean's a liar. |
Octafish |
Nov-29-03 10:02 AM |
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"If I just keep repeating it, it will come true" |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:22 PM |
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IOIWT: "I'm from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party." |
Octafish |
Dec-01-03 09:57 PM |
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Vietnam war kept me "free"? LOL!! |
Scott Lee |
Dec-03-03 09:39 PM |
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who ordered the heaping pile of condescension? |
babzilla |
Nov-28-03 08:53 PM |
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If you have already "figured out Dean's deception," |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-29-03 07:10 AM |
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Kerry's been to war. He lost six friends in Vietnam. |
Octafish |
Nov-29-03 10:00 AM |
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Nov-29-03 10:15 AM |
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He did more than that |
sandnsea |
Nov-29-03 12:13 PM |
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Lie. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:29 PM |
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FACT: Howard Dean got out of the draft for a bad back and went SKIING! |
Octafish |
Dec-01-03 12:26 AM |
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so, Dean brought evidence of a diagnosed condition to the draft board |
virtualobserver |
Dec-01-03 07:14 AM |
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No. Self-preservation is not "crazy." Remember Catch-22? |
Octafish |
Dec-01-03 07:40 AM |
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then why are Kerry supporters calling Dean a coward? |
virtualobserver |
Dec-01-03 08:49 AM |
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Great questions, yours. You and all good people deserve answers. |
Octafish |
Dec-01-03 10:19 PM |
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COME ON!! ...no, it doesn't. |
peaceandjustice |
Dec-03-03 09:06 AM |
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If you don't like the law, change it. Dean abided by it. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-03-03 09:41 PM |
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Nov-30-03 08:00 PM |
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An appt. with the draft board |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 01:32 AM |
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Yeah. Dean's a coward. |
Octafish |
Nov-30-03 11:16 PM |
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And now he's gonna lose a campaign. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 07:11 PM |
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No. John Kerry has fought the Bush Organized Crime Family... |
Octafish |
Nov-30-03 11:18 PM |
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He did it all? |
drfemoe |
Dec-01-03 10:58 PM |
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Kerry modeled his own career after JFK... |
Octafish |
Dec-02-03 01:12 PM |
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And he off and on supports them too. For which they are grateful. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-03-03 09:42 PM |
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Actually |
kayob1 |
Dec-02-03 05:27 PM |
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Nov-30-03 04:14 PM |
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Either Ted Kennedy is lying, or Dean is being deceptive. |
blm |
Nov-30-03 04:22 PM |
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Ted Kennedy is entitled to his opinions. That does not make them fact |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:24 PM |
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Opinions are like assholes, even Teddy's opinions: |
Padraig18 |
Nov-30-03 05:09 PM |
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Ted Kennedy has a record of accomplishment. What's Dean ever done? |
Octafish |
Nov-30-03 11:24 PM |
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Aside from 5 1/2 successful terms as Governor of VT? |
Padraig18 |
Dec-01-03 02:21 PM |
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The question regarded Dean. What do you have against Ted Kennedy? |
Octafish |
Dec-01-03 04:16 PM |
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I have nothing 'against' Ted Kennedy, per se. |
Padraig18 |
Dec-01-03 05:31 PM |
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I don't need anybody to dump on Dean. |
Octafish |
Dec-01-03 10:05 PM |
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Right, Dean brought the X-Rays to make sure... |
MrWiggles |
Dec-01-03 10:41 PM |
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Who said you needed permission? |
Padraig18 |
Dec-02-03 05:12 AM |
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What Dean has done |
peaceandjustice |
Dec-03-03 09:12 AM |
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Actually he was governor of Vermont for many terms. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-03-03 09:44 PM |
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I give up |
sandnsea |
Nov-30-03 07:57 PM |
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Neither. Your missing the point of B/L... |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 10:10 AM |
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You believed Bush when he said that? He just wanted the vote over with. |
blm |
Dec-01-03 02:28 PM |
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Nope... Read the B/L ammendment, and then tell me it's the same as |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 02:30 PM |
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I never said it was the same and there was NO blank check in IWR. |
blm |
Dec-01-03 08:24 PM |
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I never thought B/L forced * back to congress first... |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 11:35 PM |
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Not the way Dean has used it. |
blm |
Dec-02-03 12:52 PM |
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This entire article is about the Gep-Lieberman Resolution |
mzmolly |
Nov-30-03 07:42 PM |
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"Bush Criticizes Draft Congressional Resolution on Iraq" |
mzmolly |
Nov-30-03 07:58 PM |
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It limited the enforcement of UN resolutions |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 12:12 AM |
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Biden Lugar required several things... |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 10:07 AM |
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Bush did all that |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 02:44 PM |
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Bush did not 'do all that'... |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 02:50 PM |
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I have |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 04:05 PM |
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We would be home by now, as there are no weapons and that's |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 05:17 PM |
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We would not be home by now |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 06:00 PM |
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Did you miss the part where Iraq was cooperating according to the UN??? |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 07:42 PM |
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How do you figure? |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 08:53 PM |
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I'll let the words of Kerry and * speak for themselves. |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 11:57 PM |
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against this war... |
sandnsea |
Dec-02-03 12:11 AM |
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Show me where Dean says he didn't support Biden/Lugar.... |
mzmolly |
Dec-02-03 12:13 AM |
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He DID support Biden-Lugar |
sandnsea |
Dec-02-03 12:52 AM |
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Spin, spin oh desperate spin.... |
mzmolly |
Dec-02-03 09:08 AM |
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Well you admit it |
sandnsea |
Dec-02-03 01:34 PM |
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Kerry was clearly hedging his bets that the Iraq war would be successful |
Classical_Liberal |
Dec-01-03 02:34 AM |
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Why would you say that? |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 03:15 AM |
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Absolutely. |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 10:28 AM |
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Really? That's why he worked with Clinton on regime change for Iraq in 98? |
blm |
Dec-02-03 05:58 PM |
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"ACLU Applauds Constitutional Checks in New Iraq Compromise " |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 10:16 AM |
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That all happened anyway |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 02:41 PM |
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BULL, we went in and 'changed the regime!!' |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 02:55 PM |
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An article for your review |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 03:14 PM |
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This is an editorial |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 04:03 PM |
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The outcome would have been the same????!!!! |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 05:08 PM |
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Yes, Dean is the perceived front runner. |
TopesJunkie |
Dec-01-03 10:40 AM |
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By the way, I just learned that Kerry saw the difference between the |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 03:39 PM |
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No kidding, B-L was the better bill, but Dean's deception |
blm |
Dec-01-03 04:12 PM |
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Dean has not been deceptive. Was there a difference between B/L |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 04:52 PM |
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Dean was deceptive in his REASON for not supporting IWR. |
blm |
Dec-01-03 05:56 PM |
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Bull... |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 07:32 PM |
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Name the differences Dean talked about when he slammed the others. |
blm |
Dec-01-03 07:54 PM |
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One phrase... |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 08:03 PM |
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Tell it to Teddy |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 08:59 PM |
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Kennedy was speaking about the Gep - Lieberman Rez |
mzmolly |
Dec-02-03 12:06 AM |
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jeez |
sandnsea |
Dec-02-03 12:56 AM |
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Once again, Dean never claimed to be anti-war... |
mzmolly |
Dec-02-03 09:19 AM |
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Ignore facts if you like |
sandnsea |
Dec-02-03 01:28 PM |
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You can't do it because you know Dean's deception worked for him. |
blm |
Dec-02-03 10:09 AM |
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you mean like Kerry's did for him? |
Scott Lee |
Dec-02-03 09:13 PM |
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No, he acknowledged voting for the Patriot Act, but Dean doesn't |
blm |
Dec-02-03 10:10 PM |
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Dean wasn't in Congress to vote on the IWR. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-03-03 09:46 PM |
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Bush did this anyway |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 04:12 PM |
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dup |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 04:55 PM |
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"The resolution would have been preferable..." |
mzmolly |
Dec-01-03 04:56 PM |
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I love it. |
GloriaSmith |
Dec-01-03 08:13 PM |
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All of this would be significantly more interesting... |
helleborient |
Dec-02-03 09:28 AM |
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Let's reward the dishonest politician. Just because the media allows him |
blm |
Dec-02-03 10:13 AM |
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It must be miserable living life in utter fear of the media... |
helleborient |
Dec-02-03 10:21 AM |
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Not fear...awareness. And Dean isn't Bill Clinton |
blm |
Dec-02-03 01:35 PM |
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Good thing. Clinton couldn't get elected in today's climate. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-02-03 09:11 PM |
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