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Sun Nov-30-03 04:20 PM
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The article right there is the impression Howard wanted to leave about his physical. That he just showed up at the draft board, the military found the back condition, and he was rejected. Why else would this reporter say that???
He's a liar, he's as big a liar as Bush. He didn't show up ready to serve, he didn't respond like every other draftee. He took extra measures to avoid the draft. He got a letter from his doctor, which is MORE than just medical records, and made a special appointment outside the routine physical, and then he lied about it THIS year. He's a liar, liar, liar, liar, liar.
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| -What do you think people will care more about? What Dean did at age 21... |
killbotfactory |
Nov-26-03 03:10 PM |
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Its not like he snorted coke at age 30 |
neuvocat |
Nov-26-03 03:11 PM |
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Or got caught drunk driving. |
killbotfactory |
Nov-26-03 03:13 PM |
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Or killed someone with their car. |
neuvocat |
Nov-26-03 04:30 PM |
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That would've put him in a "Pickle." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Nov-28-03 02:53 PM |
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How Punny. |
neuvocat |
Nov-28-03 04:22 PM |
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Some couldn't for someone who never owned a baseball team |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-26-03 03:16 PM |
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Dean did nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to be proud of. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Nov-26-03 03:18 PM |
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I'd love to see AWOL try and make it an issue n/t |
rucky |
Nov-26-03 03:19 PM |
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They'll use everything against the dem nominee |
killbotfactory |
Nov-26-03 03:24 PM |
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Nov-26-03 03:22 PM |
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He tried to get out |
sandnsea |
Nov-26-03 03:30 PM |
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ssshhhh!!! |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Nov-26-03 03:32 PM |
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As long as we're sticking to the facts |
Demobrat |
Nov-26-03 03:35 PM |
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Nov-26-03 03:38 PM |
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It was true |
sandnsea |
Nov-26-03 04:34 PM |
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Did he give it up after that? |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-29-03 05:36 AM |
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Ummm...John Edwards was 16 in 1969... |
helleborient |
Nov-26-03 03:34 PM |
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It's not a sweeping generalization |
sandnsea |
Nov-26-03 04:31 PM |
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Dean made it through medical school during that period of time. |
w4rma |
Nov-27-03 11:34 AM |
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Entered med school - 1978 |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 12:15 AM |
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I think when Edwards accused Dean of treating the southern poor white |
AP |
Nov-30-03 11:18 PM |
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Dean worked his butt off going to medical school... |
Andromeda |
Nov-27-03 04:08 PM |
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The main reason people get rejection letters |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-29-03 06:33 AM |
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I used to caddy at a country club for doctors. My favorites were the sons |
AP |
Nov-30-03 11:02 AM |
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So tutoring poor black kids in the city is nothing? |
KaraokeKarlton |
Nov-28-03 04:47 PM |
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And quit |
sandnsea |
Nov-29-03 02:33 PM |
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to become a doctor and save lives |
KaraokeKarlton |
Nov-30-03 08:19 AM |
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In a debate recently he said teaching was "too hard" so he went skiing. |
AP |
Nov-30-03 10:58 AM |
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I've seen all the debates and I never heard him say any such thing |
KaraokeKarlton |
Nov-30-03 09:41 PM |
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Show me the transcripts of thet last two debates. |
AP |
Nov-30-03 11:08 PM |
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Here it is: |
AP |
Nov-30-03 11:14 PM |
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Have Gephardt supporters being attacking him for not serving? |
JohnKleeb |
Nov-27-03 11:39 AM |
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He was in school in the 60's. |
killbotfactory |
Nov-26-03 03:39 PM |
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you skipped the Wall Street broker stint |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Nov-26-03 04:05 PM |
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The death of his brother, Charlie, made Howard give up being a stockbroker |
slinkerwink |
Nov-27-03 09:32 AM |
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4 years later? |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 12:30 AM |
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Good on him! I would have, also. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-27-03 08:30 PM |
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He's lying about it |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 12:31 AM |
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What's he lying about? Can you prove it, or is this just more slime? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-28-03 01:50 PM |
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Dean is a success... |
Andromeda |
Nov-30-03 08:16 AM |
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"jealous," "irrational hatred," "apoplectic," "whining," "snivel,"... |
AP |
Nov-30-03 10:56 AM |
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So the democratic frontrunner is "not that much of a success", hm? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 03:57 PM |
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He's up there with Back Street Boys and The Hilton Sisters. |
AP |
Nov-30-03 08:23 PM |
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And how many consecutive terms as governor have the others? |
Scott Lee |
Dec-01-03 11:17 PM |
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A lot of people who went to Vietnam never had the chance to reinvent.... |
AP |
Nov-26-03 03:33 PM |
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He had that option and used it |
killbotfactory |
Nov-26-03 03:36 PM |
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He has reinvented himself several times in his life. |
AP |
Nov-26-03 03:49 PM |
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That's nonsense. |
killbotfactory |
Nov-26-03 03:55 PM |
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That's not what I'm saying. |
AP |
Nov-27-03 09:37 AM |
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I'm pretty average |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-27-03 09:57 AM |
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Did you reinvent yourself out of desperation, or just becuase you could? |
AP |
Nov-27-03 11:52 AM |
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So you don't like Dean |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-27-03 01:03 PM |
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This isn't about so much as it is about Dean and the perception |
AP |
Nov-27-03 04:10 PM |
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The vast majority.. |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-28-03 01:25 AM |
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My point is that Dean has lived a life that isn't available to many |
AP |
Nov-28-03 01:47 AM |
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Your argument was flawed |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-28-03 01:58 AM |
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Have you met Kerry? |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 02:58 AM |
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And people who took out loans to get an MD just can't up and decide to |
AP |
Nov-28-03 06:40 AM |
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Why not? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-29-03 01:59 PM |
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Yeah. It's in the fine print rules on your student loans. Don't pay. Go... |
AP |
Nov-29-03 08:53 PM |
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Have you met Dean and his wife? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-28-03 02:04 PM |
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They're both nice? |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 04:28 PM |
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I'm asking you. You seem have 1st hand knowledge of the Deans |
Scott Lee |
Nov-29-03 01:58 PM |
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Please be rational |
sandnsea |
Nov-29-03 02:42 PM |
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Rational question: Why were you impugning the Deans as a couple? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:04 PM |
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Those are your thoughts |
sandnsea |
Nov-30-03 04:14 PM |
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Don't you have the courage to stand behind your insinuations? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 06:43 PM |
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John Edwards took a risk by not going into his family's business, "hard... |
AP |
Nov-28-03 06:27 AM |
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Your opinion differs greatly from mine |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-28-03 01:05 PM |
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Ultimately, perception will be way more important than the truth. |
AP |
Nov-28-03 04:25 PM |
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Sure, if that's the way he wants to play it |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-28-03 11:17 PM |
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Of course the Republicans will target a candidate's weakness |
AP |
Nov-29-03 09:17 AM |
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So you're telling us you never made an "effort vs. benefits" decision? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-28-03 02:03 PM |
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And you've never had to forego a chance at something becuase the |
AP |
Nov-28-03 09:03 PM |
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Did Bill Clinton pursue, or receive, a degree in Presidential Politics? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-29-03 02:01 PM |
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There is no degree for elected politicians. However, Clinton had a... |
AP |
Nov-29-03 05:09 PM |
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No commitment from Dean? How long was he governor, again? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 06:46 PM |
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Maybe I've missed something. What IS Dean's record on |
AP |
Nov-30-03 08:28 PM |
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So Dean's efforts for health care in Vt were just selfish I suppose? |
Scott Lee |
Dec-01-03 11:19 PM |
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Dean on Health Care reminds me of Gore on environment |
AP |
Dec-02-03 01:14 AM |
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I don't think he had a job while he was in med school. n/t |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-29-03 05:52 AM |
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You say that like it's a bad thing. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-27-03 08:33 PM |
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You know what the call people who can reinvent themself on a whim, or .... |
AP |
Nov-28-03 12:03 AM |
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You know what they call people who mindread people's intentions? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-28-03 01:52 PM |
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Again, this isn't about you or about me or even about reality. It's about |
AP |
Nov-28-03 09:05 PM |
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This is about nothing but your baseless hatred of Howard Dean |
Scott Lee |
Nov-29-03 02:03 PM |
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"baseless" and "hatred" -- two words which reveal either that you have |
AP |
Nov-29-03 05:10 PM |
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"Neener Neener" won't help you here. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:06 PM |
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Would that it were "neener neener" that I wrote. |
AP |
Nov-30-03 05:22 PM |
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But that's what you meant. Can't you stand behind your insinuations? |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 06:47 PM |
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What I meant was a lot better argued than that. |
AP |
Nov-30-03 08:31 PM |
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So are you backing up on insinuating the Deans arent nice folks? |
Scott Lee |
Dec-01-03 11:20 PM |
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I don't know that I was going forward with that "insinuation" |
AP |
Dec-02-03 01:16 AM |
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Then he should tell the truth |
sandnsea |
Nov-26-03 04:33 PM |
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Where has he lied? Proof, please. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-27-03 08:38 PM |
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He lied |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 01:51 AM |
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Nov-28-03 11:32 AM |
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Your definition of "tried to get out of the draft" might differ from Dean' |
Scott Lee |
Nov-28-03 01:56 PM |
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He lied this year |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 03:26 PM |
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You are, in fact, lying about him. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-29-03 02:07 PM |
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Facts are facts |
sandnsea |
Nov-29-03 02:23 PM |
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FACT: Howard Dean never dodged a draft. EVER. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:09 PM |
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As with many of your posts when you claim a "lie" has occured |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Nov-28-03 03:10 PM |
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He didn't just report |
sandnsea |
Nov-28-03 03:24 PM |
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Lie. |
Scott Lee |
Nov-29-03 02:10 PM |
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Not what he said |
sandnsea |
Nov-29-03 02:37 PM |
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Where's the lie? There isnt one! |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 04:11 PM |
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No, not St. Howard |
sandnsea |
Nov-30-03 04:20 PM |
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And would you even get an x-ray of your back as part of |
AP |
Nov-30-03 05:24 PM |
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Well, I asked my hubber |
sandnsea |
Nov-30-03 05:38 PM |
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If Dean had not brought those records, he would have breached law |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 07:02 PM |
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Care to cite the criminal code which says that "against the law" |
AP |
Nov-30-03 08:32 PM |
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Here is the military requirement for bringing such records to |
Scott Lee |
Dec-01-03 11:23 PM |
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It's not a violation of the law unless there's some kind |
AP |
Dec-02-03 01:19 AM |
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Why would he be eager to go into a war your candidate protested? |
killbotfactory |
Dec-02-03 04:46 AM |
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Had Dean not brought those medical records to the board..... |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 07:00 PM |
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You just lied several times about Howard Dean again... |
Scott Lee |
Nov-30-03 06:59 PM |
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When was the last time anyone was convicted for failing |
AP |
Nov-30-03 08:35 PM |
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when was the last time someone was executed for treason? |
Scott Lee |
Dec-01-03 11:24 PM |
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You think it's treason to not bring your medical records to |
AP |
Dec-02-03 01:22 AM |
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Somebody's on ignore |
sandnsea |
Dec-01-03 11:25 PM |
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did you say something, cupcake? |
Scott Lee |
Dec-01-03 11:29 PM |
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None of those things will matter |
Frenchie4Clark |
Nov-27-03 06:36 AM |
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Not Aspen, not Biden Lugar, not flip-flops. But electability and |
robbedvoter |
Nov-27-03 10:17 AM |
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I agree with that |
Sully |
Nov-27-03 01:12 PM |
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So what will John Kerry do |
RogueTrooper |
Nov-27-03 01:22 PM |
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If it's all about donations... |
Sully |
Nov-27-03 01:26 PM |
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Kerry will not sell in Iowa. |
Zynx |
Nov-27-03 01:28 PM |
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We'll see in January. |
Sully |
Nov-27-03 03:13 PM |
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He's losing in his home state. Kerry will not win a single state to Dean. |
Zynx |
Nov-27-03 01:27 PM |
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You sure got that one right. |
Demobrat |
Nov-28-03 11:01 AM |
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Those who whine about a lack of Dean "substance" threads... |
Scott Lee |
Nov-27-03 08:35 PM |
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No patriotism here! |
dogman |
Nov-28-03 01:44 PM |
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The DeanHaterz got their script directly from the rightwingers |
Scott Lee |
Nov-28-03 01:58 PM |
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And where does everyone else get their scripts from? |
MrPeepers |
Nov-30-03 08:16 PM |
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Some of us don 't use scripts. We call it critical thought. |
Scott Lee |
Dec-01-03 11:26 PM |
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No, he was just a rich manipulator and coward (n/t) |
DemDogs |
Nov-28-03 05:02 PM |
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Maybe he didn't want to die in an immoral war? |
killbotfactory |
Dec-02-03 04:44 AM |
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It's not that *I* care... |
Jack_Dawson |
Dec-02-03 10:17 AM |
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