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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-03 10:01 AM
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22. This is a travesty, I agree
My own Democratic senator from Oregon voted for it too and he almost never comes down on the wrong side of a vote. But I'll tell you what's happening in Oregon where we also have Medicaid waivers like Vermont has. But because of the way they distribute Medicaid, states like Oregon and California don't get as much reimbursement per person. The program is running such deficits that they cut a special medically needy prescription drug program and those people are literally dieing. The Medicare bill would take seniors out of Medicaid and free up that money to pay for the rest of the states' low-income citizens. Seniors are a very large portion of Medicaid costs. If they're in Medicare 100%, where I honestly think they belong, the states will be able to provide alot better Medicaid to the rest of the people. And while what this Medicare bill is doing to these low-income seniors is wrong, we generally fix their problems first. So I see the reason some Senators voted for this.

And Vermont is running massive deficits in their Health Plan too. That's another reason I've worried about Dean as a candidate. The tax ratio in Vermont went up in order to pay for a health plan that continues to run deficits. Not very appealing.

And as for forcing seniors into HMO's, Dean is a big fan of HMO's. I posted an interview yesterday that he gave just a couple of years ago, even after HMO's pulled out of the Vermont Health Plan and Vermont had to redo it as a result. He's still a fan of HMO's, he said; which is exactly what this Medicare bill offers.

I'm seriously considering backing Kucinich. This country is in such a mess.
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  - I thought that  MuseRider   Nov-24-03 10:01 PM   #12 
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     - Like when losing the Medicare bill - with Kerry's supporter Feinstein  helleborient   Nov-25-03 09:48 AM   #21 
        - This is a travesty, I agree  sandnsea   Nov-25-03 10:01 AM   #22 
        - Umm  HawkeyeX   Nov-25-03 10:08 AM   #24 
           - The Health Plan runs deficits  sandnsea   Nov-25-03 10:34 AM   #25 
           - Dean left in Jan. 03.  blm   Nov-25-03 12:23 PM   #27 
        - then you must be furious with Dean supporter Jeffords?  blm   Nov-25-03 12:21 PM   #26 
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