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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-03 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. In fiairness
Edited on Mon Oct-27-03 06:27 PM by dsc
the cat food thing is SS related and I am not going to be on SS. It should be noted that is exactly what our elderly used to do before the advent of SS. My point both then and now is that we are using money from the working poor to finance tax cuts for the upper middle class. Also you are correct on the 400 since it coincided with my cut in pay I didn't have the exact figure on hand but clearly you are correct on that by simple math.
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  -Why should people making less than 20k dsc  Oct-27-03 02:55 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 02:56 PM   #1 
  - I made less than 18k last year  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:01 PM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:04 PM   #3 
     - I didn't get a 50% tax cut  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:12 PM   #6 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:14 PM   #7 
     - like what  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:18 PM   #8 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:19 PM   #9 
           - spoken as a person  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:23 PM   #10 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:31 PM   #16 
     - You would keep $400  DemDogs   Oct-27-03 03:35 PM   #19 
        - I got a 300 cut  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:43 PM   #22 
           - That is simply not so  DemDogs   Oct-27-03 06:19 PM   #62 
              - In fiairness  dsc   Oct-27-03 06:22 PM   #63 
                 - that's the wrong way to put it really...  Pez   Oct-27-03 06:26 PM   #65 
     - If I may rudely interrupt  DBoon   Oct-27-03 03:23 PM   #12 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:33 PM   #18 
           - $189 for tax preparation isn't a luxury?  redqueen   Oct-27-03 03:41 PM   #21 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:47 PM   #25 
              - Well it's real nice for you that you have that option. n/t  redqueen   Oct-27-03 05:46 PM   #52 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 05:49 PM   #53 
           - Yes I know  DBoon   Oct-27-03 04:13 PM   #32 
  - I hope you are joking.  DarkPhenyx   Oct-27-03 03:04 PM   #4 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:05 PM   #5 
  - I think CW is that poorer people don't vote as much as middle class people  redqueen   Oct-27-03 03:23 PM   #11 
  - If supporters of those candidates  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:26 PM   #14 
     - Heh well good luck getting that admission.  redqueen   Oct-27-03 03:32 PM   #17 
     - It's not a lecture, it's a fact  DemDogs   Oct-27-03 06:25 PM   #64 
        - Well, not really, it's not  redqueen   Oct-28-03 09:41 AM   #98 
  - What state tax increases?  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 03:24 PM   #13 
  - I find that terribly difficult to believe  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:29 PM   #15 
  - When we had this discussion the last time.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 03:40 PM   #20 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 03:45 PM   #23 
     - Right - it is federal taxes Dean plans on raising on the middle class.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 03:52 PM   #27 
     - so you don't even know if you had a tax increase  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:46 PM   #24 
     - No I didn't have a tax increase.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 03:51 PM   #26 
        - again state taxes went down  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:53 PM   #28 
           - It's just not true no matter how many times you say it.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 04:03 PM   #30 
              - Yes it is.  dsc   Oct-27-03 04:08 PM   #31 
     - Montana, well that explains it....  Duder   Oct-27-03 04:19 PM   #34 
        - I've got news for you. The Republicans in control of this state  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 04:29 PM   #37 
           - "actual cuts in federal payments to Montana"  Duder   Oct-27-03 04:56 PM   #44 
              - Check your calendar.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 05:12 PM   #46 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-27-03 05:45 PM   #51 
                    - So what.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 05:58 PM   #56 
  - It should be noted that state taxes had nothing whatsoever to do with my  dsc   Oct-27-03 03:59 PM   #29 
     - As to your original point, it's nothing but a strawman.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 04:18 PM   #33 
        - Yes they are  dsc   Oct-27-03 04:27 PM   #36 
           - Just because you put words in someone's mouth, doesn't mean they said them  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 04:30 PM   #39 
           - Edwards plan makes Soc Sec MORE solvent.  DemDogs   Oct-27-03 06:30 PM   #66 
              - IF you mean relative to Bush  dsc   Oct-27-03 07:06 PM   #68 
  - Single broke people  sandnsea   Oct-27-03 04:24 PM   #35 
  - Please point out in my post where state and local taxes were mentioned  dsc   Oct-27-03 04:29 PM   #38 
     - Your whole argument is built on a foundation of false premises.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 04:33 PM   #40 
     - Yes or no  dsc   Oct-27-03 04:53 PM   #43 
        - Yes or no  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 05:02 PM   #45 
           - It depends on how long it takes  dsc   Oct-27-03 05:53 PM   #54 
              - LOL  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 06:07 PM   #59 
              - How much longer would it take  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 07:24 PM   #69 
     - This makes no sense  sandnsea   Oct-27-03 04:41 PM   #41 
        - I am not asking any such thing  dsc   Oct-27-03 04:47 PM   #42 
           - You are asking for a raise in federal taxes on the middle class  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 05:14 PM   #47 
           - No I am not  dsc   Oct-27-03 05:56 PM   #55 
              - If that were really all you were saying, I'd have no argument with you.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 06:01 PM   #57 
           - Still doesn't make sense  sandnsea   Oct-27-03 05:40 PM   #49 
           - Except that as long as we are using SS funds  dsc   Oct-27-03 06:02 PM   #58 
              - And Dean has no alternate plan.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 06:10 PM   #60 
              - Evidently you forgot his plan to remove the cap on payroll taxes  dsc   Oct-27-03 07:34 PM   #71 
                 - So by when does Dean say he'll balance the budget again?  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 07:44 PM   #72 
                    - from the payroll tax  dsc   Oct-27-03 07:47 PM   #74 
                       - By when? How much sooner with the middle-class tax hike than without?  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 07:55 PM   #75 
              - if you ignore closing the tax loophole for corporations + 1% tax breaks...  Pez   Oct-27-03 06:16 PM   #61 
                 - The rollback of the top 1%  dsc   Oct-27-03 07:32 PM   #70 
                    - And Dean's middle class tax hike won't balance the budget either.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 07:46 PM   #73 
                    - Yes  dsc   Oct-27-03 07:58 PM   #76 
                       - How much sooner? Now you are saying a minute sooner would be worth it?  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 08:04 PM   #77 
                       - the working poor "prop up the middle class"?????  Pez   Oct-27-03 08:24 PM   #80 
                          - the poor props up both  dsc   Oct-27-03 09:41 PM   #82 
                    - you're ignoring several factors...  Pez   Oct-27-03 08:20 PM   #79 
                    - Dean's plan worked before  dsc   Oct-27-03 11:24 PM   #89 
                       - That is laughable How many billions did Dean cut from VT's budget deficit?  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 11:56 PM   #92 
                       - Who didn't have a surplus in 2000?  SahaleArm   Oct-28-03 03:28 AM   #96 
                       - in vermont during the 90s...  Pez   Oct-28-03 12:47 PM   #100 
                    - 1% of the population owns close to 50% of the wealth.  SahaleArm   Oct-28-03 03:18 AM   #95 
           - doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of dubya doesn't mean we will be better off  Pez   Oct-27-03 05:45 PM   #50 
              - actually his policy  dsc   Oct-27-03 11:32 PM   #91 
  - middle class tax cut < offshore corporate accounts + top 1% break  Pez   Oct-27-03 05:37 PM   #48 
  - 3 points  cindyw   Oct-27-03 07:00 PM   #67 
  - A serious comment about misplaced class identification:  AP   Oct-27-03 08:09 PM   #78 
  - Thank you.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 08:25 PM   #81 
  - bottom line  dsc   Oct-27-03 09:43 PM   #83 
  - Here are some figures  dsc   Oct-27-03 10:20 PM   #84 
  - So what?  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-27-03 10:25 PM   #85 
     - I'm not psychic  dsc   Oct-27-03 10:39 PM   #86 
        - Whoa  cindyw   Oct-27-03 11:07 PM   #87 
        - There has only been a trust fund to steal  dsc   Oct-27-03 11:13 PM   #88 
           - Okay, but my point is that Dean not the only candidate running  cindyw   Oct-28-03 12:40 PM   #99 
        - So Dean is saying 'Who knows what good this tax hike will do?"  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-28-03 12:13 AM   #94 
           - To the day no one knows  dsc   Oct-28-03 03:02 PM   #104 
              - So have NO IDEA how much the middle-class tax hike will help -  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-28-03 03:41 PM   #105 
                 - How can I  dsc   Oct-28-03 03:47 PM   #106 
                    - Like I said.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-28-03 04:59 PM   #107 
                       - I gave you a time frame  dsc   Oct-28-03 09:04 PM   #109 
                          - Dean needs to justify this tax hike to the middle-class that will pay it  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-28-03 10:32 PM   #110 
  - Yet one more reason these tax cuts are so bad  dsc   Oct-27-03 11:30 PM   #90 
  - We're all against the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-28-03 12:05 AM   #93 
  - But the two cannot be separated. As long as you keep  indigo32   Oct-28-03 01:45 PM   #101 
     - Why not?  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-28-03 01:59 PM   #102 
        - Hasn't Dean said he wants to repeal all of Bush's cuts?  Frodo   Oct-28-03 02:07 PM   #103 
  - "this year's"  sandnsea   Oct-28-03 04:42 AM   #97 
  - People making less than 20K shouldn't pay one penny in taxes  Lefty48197   Oct-28-03 07:53 PM   #108 
 

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