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Mondale was slaughtered by a combination of the national right-wing media attack, the fact that his opponent (Norm Coleman) was hand-picked by BushCo to run against Wellstone-- and received piles of RNC money to help him.
And then there's the simple fact that no matter how you slice it, Mondale is not Wellstone.
Wellstone appealed to more Republicans than you can imagine-- even though they didn't agree with him on a number of issues, they trusted him to be honest and do the right thing. You'd be amazed by how many Repubs were going to vote for him over Norm Coleman because they knew he was a man of character; unlike Coleman, who not only jumped parties while he was mayor of Saint Paul, he also broke a promise he made in his mayoral re-election campaign that he wouldn't run for US Senate or Governor while serving as mayor.
But, once Wellstone was out of the picture, it became a race between two politicians, and the better politician won. Sad but true.
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| -Kucinich is "unelectable"- a question. |
diamondsoul |
Oct-13-03 01:02 PM |
#0 |
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Imagine how stupid those who voted against FDR in the primary |
genius |
Oct-13-03 01:05 PM |
#1 |
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Well said, my friend! |
diamondsoul |
Oct-13-03 01:12 PM |
#2 |
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Oh please |
jsw_81 |
Oct-14-03 12:42 AM |
#50 |
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um |
OhioStateProgressive |
Oct-26-03 07:02 AM |
#222 |
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How would I feel? |
Tom Rinaldo |
Oct-20-03 06:28 PM |
#151 |
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I've felt fine |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-21-03 07:18 AM |
#157 |
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not all greens |
zonmoy |
Oct-21-03 04:11 PM |
#178 |
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And where did it get you? |
library_max |
Oct-21-03 04:16 PM |
#180 |
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Thats the message |
leftbend |
Oct-13-03 01:14 PM |
#3 |
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If not now, when? Fair question... |
Tom Rinaldo |
Oct-20-03 06:10 PM |
#148 |
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I've noticed that the criticisms of Dennis all boil down to one thing |
Mairead |
Oct-21-03 08:25 AM |
#164 |
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"rethink?" |
Tom Rinaldo |
Oct-21-03 09:56 AM |
#166 |
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Thank You! |
Rainbowreflect |
Oct-13-03 01:15 PM |
#4 |
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WHAT IF... |
LoZoccolo |
Oct-13-03 01:17 PM |
#5 |
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What if I am inspired by the idea of what my nation should be |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 01:20 PM |
#7 |
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Ok that was funny, but in a very scary way. |
diamondsoul |
Oct-13-03 01:24 PM |
#8 |
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I can't help but think |
MuseRider |
Oct-13-03 01:18 PM |
#6 |
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I used to be an idealist... |
blackcat77 |
Oct-13-03 01:29 PM |
#9 |
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I disagree with you. |
diamondsoul |
Oct-13-03 01:43 PM |
#13 |
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yeah youre right |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 01:46 PM |
#14 |
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So the Clinton years and the Bush years were the same. |
library_max |
Oct-13-03 03:52 PM |
#21 |
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For a lot of working people, Bush is no different than Clinton |
no name no slogan |
Oct-13-03 05:56 PM |
#43 |
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Okay, so you're limiting the debate to pocketbook issues |
library_max |
Oct-14-03 12:19 PM |
#57 |
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Services |
sandnsea |
Oct-19-03 02:19 PM |
#88 |
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Change |
sandnsea |
Oct-19-03 02:08 PM |
#87 |
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Status quo Dems vs. Bush |
diamondsoul |
Oct-19-03 10:47 PM |
#120 |
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I just disagree |
sandnsea |
Oct-20-03 03:25 AM |
#122 |
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wow... |
Desertrose |
Oct-20-03 09:43 AM |
#135 |
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You make a wild leap |
sandnsea |
Oct-20-03 12:59 PM |
#137 |
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"Kucinich doesn't seem willing to admit the simple truth of the ME oil" |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 12:49 PM |
#215 |
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Kucinich's track record |
hippywife |
Oct-20-03 06:18 PM |
#149 |
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Let me just say I decided to reply to |
diamondsoul |
Oct-20-03 09:36 PM |
#152 |
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Just enjoying the conversation |
sandnsea |
Oct-20-03 10:31 PM |
#155 |
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I agree on Kerry's energy policies. |
diamondsoul |
Oct-21-03 03:59 PM |
#176 |
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Kucinich won't get us out of Iraq |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-21-03 07:26 AM |
#158 |
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How do you know that? |
Mairead |
Oct-21-03 08:03 AM |
#162 |
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Who committed the troops in the Balkans? |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 07:12 AM |
#190 |
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uhhh...don't want to bust your bubble, but it wasn't Dennis |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 08:19 AM |
#197 |
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no...wow...no |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 08:45 AM |
#200 |
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"you wanted evidence that U.S. troops would have to remain in Iraq" |
Mairead |
Oct-23-03 06:09 PM |
#218 |
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The UN requested the U.S. send those troops. |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-24-03 06:54 AM |
#219 |
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You're not answering the question. |
Mairead |
Oct-26-03 06:50 AM |
#221 |
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and you're rewording the question. |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-27-03 07:54 AM |
#224 |
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The ideal candidate is the one that can beat Bush. |
union_maid |
Oct-13-03 01:34 PM |
#10 |
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I like Braun a lot. My chief complaint |
diamondsoul |
Oct-13-03 01:57 PM |
#15 |
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Yup me too |
indigo32 |
Oct-13-03 05:38 PM |
#37 |
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If Dennis can win the Democratic primary, then he'll be "electable." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 01:36 PM |
#11 |
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This poll is probably skewed, |
pnorman |
Oct-13-03 01:42 PM |
#12 |
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I'll just say: 'Oh, too bad!' |
damnraddem |
Oct-13-03 02:39 PM |
#16 |
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I like her but I like Kucinich more so |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 02:42 PM |
#17 |
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What if it is? And how are you helping her by attacking me? |
diamondsoul |
Oct-13-03 02:59 PM |
#18 |
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Thought experiment |
library_max |
Oct-13-03 03:48 PM |
#19 |
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what is your point? |
Desertrose |
Oct-13-03 03:50 PM |
#20 |
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Everything the original post says about Kucinich |
library_max |
Oct-13-03 03:54 PM |
#22 |
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Substituting "Wellstone" is more analagous |
dpbrown |
Oct-13-03 03:55 PM |
#23 |
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Really? |
library_max |
Oct-13-03 04:02 PM |
#25 |
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He was going to in 2000 |
no name no slogan |
Oct-13-03 05:59 PM |
#44 |
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Being the soul of the Senate and being elected President |
boxster |
Oct-13-03 04:07 PM |
#26 |
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yes but Wellstone wasnt expected to well either |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 04:10 PM |
#27 |
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I like Kucinich too |
library_max |
Oct-13-03 04:44 PM |
#28 |
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Its not mine but I believe that, we went over funding |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 04:47 PM |
#29 |
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Good for you. |
library_max |
Oct-13-03 05:32 PM |
#35 |
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I am a democrat does that suprise you lol |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 05:33 PM |
#36 |
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I understood the point he was attempting to make. |
boxster |
Oct-13-03 04:49 PM |
#30 |
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I guess orry for my intepretion |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 04:55 PM |
#31 |
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No, don't apologize. |
boxster |
Oct-13-03 05:09 PM |
#33 |
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with the whole memorial fiasco |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 05:12 PM |
#34 |
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You're correct John |
no name no slogan |
Oct-13-03 06:07 PM |
#45 |
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Another reason that Mondale didn't make it |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-13-03 05:48 PM |
#39 |
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Thanks Lydia |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-13-03 05:50 PM |
#40 |
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try this little experiment, you might be surprised |
plurality |
Oct-14-03 07:53 AM |
#56 |
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Hey, Dan |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-13-03 05:52 PM |
#42 |
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That's the "other" Dan |
dpbrown |
Oct-14-03 12:35 PM |
#59 |
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and you'll have a great time.... |
Desertrose |
Oct-14-03 12:45 PM |
#61 |
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Here is why DK is unelectable |
Nederland |
Oct-13-03 04:01 PM |
#24 |
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Nothing is simple these days.... |
Desertrose |
Oct-13-03 04:59 PM |
#32 |
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Unfortunately thats the world we live in |
indigo32 |
Oct-13-03 05:47 PM |
#38 |
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I'm also in favor of the positions listed above... |
MrWiggles |
Oct-14-03 07:17 AM |
#55 |
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He's ahead of his time |
Padraig18 |
Oct-21-03 12:58 PM |
#168 |
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Ummm no offense but we are constantly told this |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-21-03 01:05 PM |
#169 |
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Trust me, John, any Dean supporter understands |
Padraig18 |
Oct-21-03 01:49 PM |
#170 |
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Then understand our anger |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-21-03 01:57 PM |
#171 |
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I do look at that |
Padraig18 |
Oct-21-03 02:11 PM |
#172 |
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Well you know those two things that you mention dont bother me |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-21-03 02:14 PM |
#173 |
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Yep |
Padraig18 |
Oct-21-03 02:29 PM |
#174 |
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Well if more people could have a bit of common sense and put it |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-21-03 02:38 PM |
#175 |
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I wonder... |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-13-03 05:50 PM |
#41 |
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Oh Lydia, doing the right thing is meaningless unless we WIN |
no name no slogan |
Oct-13-03 06:17 PM |
#46 |
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Need a moderate to win - like hell. |
snoochie |
Oct-13-03 09:03 PM |
#48 |
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Oh yeah. |
library_max |
Oct-14-03 12:46 PM |
#62 |
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Actually Hightower won TWICE |
no name no slogan |
Oct-21-03 05:15 PM |
#185 |
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Gee, I'm SO sorry that the facts annoy you. |
library_max |
Oct-14-03 12:23 PM |
#58 |
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You can be a smartass till the cows come home... |
snoochie |
Oct-14-03 08:21 PM |
#63 |
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Yes snoochie lets accept defeat |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-14-03 08:24 PM |
#64 |
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HA! As if! |
snoochie |
Oct-14-03 08:34 PM |
#66 |
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I lose it too, I dont come across that way though |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-14-03 08:45 PM |
#67 |
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Just for laughs |
library_max |
Oct-15-03 04:31 PM |
#70 |
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Yeah I read it... |
snoochie |
Oct-16-03 07:51 PM |
#78 |
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You don't comprehend practical politics. |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 01:41 PM |
#83 |
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You're pretty insulting... |
snoochie |
Oct-19-03 03:08 PM |
#94 |
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FDR was very vague in his positions during the 1932 election |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 03:31 PM |
#98 |
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Sen. Paul simon called FDR... |
Padraig18 |
Oct-19-03 06:25 PM |
#117 |
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Thanks, Padraig. |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 06:36 PM |
#118 |
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YW |
Padraig18 |
Oct-19-03 06:42 PM |
#119 |
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was FDR great? |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-21-03 07:42 AM |
#159 |
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retirement age |
goodhue |
Oct-13-03 06:18 PM |
#47 |
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Let's look at the real numbers for a change, shall we? |
Mairead |
Oct-13-03 11:23 PM |
#49 |
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Yea the 90's were great! |
Egnever |
Oct-14-03 02:10 AM |
#51 |
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I think this is where Dennis will have victory |
hippywife |
Oct-14-03 06:40 AM |
#52 |
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Perhaps I should have used the actual language on that one |
Mairead |
Oct-14-03 06:54 AM |
#53 |
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Once again, the rosy assumptions. |
library_max |
Oct-14-03 12:43 PM |
#60 |
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Ooooh I lost my temper with you once... |
snoochie |
Oct-14-03 08:26 PM |
#65 |
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Don't forget that Clinton's plan just plain SUCKED |
no name no slogan |
Oct-15-03 12:21 PM |
#68 |
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Maybe it did |
library_max |
Oct-15-03 04:37 PM |
#72 |
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"smaller change" |
diamondsoul |
Oct-15-03 08:36 PM |
#75 |
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Well okay then |
library_max |
Oct-16-03 05:24 PM |
#77 |
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The Clinton plan not passing didn't have a thing to do with |
diamondsoul |
Oct-17-03 01:52 AM |
#81 |
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Why start from a "smaller change" position? |
no name no slogan |
Oct-21-03 05:33 PM |
#187 |
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And, how amazing, now a abc/wp poll says people are 2:1 in favor |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 08:32 AM |
#198 |
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Hobgoblin question |
Padraig18 |
Oct-22-03 08:57 AM |
#205 |
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Because one is a 'declaration against interest', to use the legal term |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 09:45 AM |
#206 |
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Ooooooooooooo-K! n/t |
Padraig18 |
Oct-22-03 10:20 AM |
#209 |
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Fine. Obviously one of us is seriously out of touch with reality. |
library_max |
Oct-15-03 04:33 PM |
#71 |
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Go ahead... |
snoochie |
Oct-16-03 07:56 PM |
#79 |
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When has this approach ever worked? |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 01:57 PM |
#86 |
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That would make sense... |
snoochie |
Oct-19-03 02:33 PM |
#89 |
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Interesting reply |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 03:17 PM |
#96 |
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I'm sure he isn't |
snoochie |
Oct-19-03 03:30 PM |
#97 |
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Regarding Clinton being sorry about his actions in office |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 03:43 PM |
#100 |
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can't we find someone between Clinton/Gore and Kucinich... |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-21-03 07:51 AM |
#160 |
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I would agree with you. n/t |
Padraig18 |
Oct-21-03 08:01 AM |
#161 |
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Just to explain, it was this part of your melodramatic... |
snoochie |
Oct-19-03 03:33 PM |
#99 |
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That's your delusional view of the matter. |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 03:45 PM |
#101 |
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We had 8 years |
hippywife |
Oct-19-03 03:52 PM |
#102 |
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So how does that make him electable? |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 04:59 PM |
#105 |
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The problem with your 'concession' is |
Mairead |
Oct-16-03 08:07 PM |
#80 |
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Have you committed to ABB? |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 01:47 PM |
#85 |
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The problem with your position |
Mairead |
Oct-19-03 02:49 PM |
#90 |
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Pretty silly analogy |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 03:00 PM |
#91 |
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Would you please address the issue in my reply above? |
snoochie |
Oct-19-03 03:04 PM |
#93 |
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I'd like to see his answer too, snoochie |
Mairead |
Oct-19-03 06:01 PM |
#110 |
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I answered it where you raised it |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 06:18 PM |
#114 |
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Sure you did |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 08:36 AM |
#131 |
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No, it's only silly if you're in favor of conditions continuing to worsen |
Mairead |
Oct-19-03 05:21 PM |
#106 |
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Question: |
Padraig18 |
Oct-19-03 05:42 PM |
#107 |
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You persist in not getting it |
Mairead |
Oct-19-03 06:00 PM |
#109 |
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Koolaid? |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 06:15 PM |
#112 |
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Who is this 'we'? |
Padraig18 |
Oct-19-03 06:20 PM |
#115 |
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No |
Padraig18 |
Oct-19-03 03:01 PM |
#92 |
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Yes |
Mairead |
Oct-19-03 05:47 PM |
#108 |
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Okay, I thought I was getting this, but now I'm lost. |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 06:07 PM |
#111 |
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You're only lost because you persist in keeping your eyes shut and |
Mairead |
Oct-19-03 06:16 PM |
#113 |
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No, we're supposed to... |
Padraig18 |
Oct-19-03 06:22 PM |
#116 |
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No, you're supposed to... |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 06:10 AM |
#125 |
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"...the traditional ideals of the Democratic Party...." |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 07:07 AM |
#128 |
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"As defined by WHOM?" |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 08:14 AM |
#130 |
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That's not an answer--- it's an evasion. n/t |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 09:19 AM |
#134 |
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They're not rosy assumptions, they're REAL numbers. |
Mairead |
Oct-16-03 08:58 AM |
#76 |
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Where were you living in 2001 and 2002? |
library_max |
Oct-19-03 03:11 PM |
#95 |
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In Massachusetts, where I live now |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 05:56 AM |
#124 |
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Good for you. |
library_max |
Oct-20-03 11:52 AM |
#136 |
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"Everything changed after 9/11"? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-22-03 12:01 PM |
#212 |
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And they elected Sharon. |
library_max |
Oct-22-03 01:00 PM |
#216 |
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No. I don't watch T.V. |
LWolf |
Oct-24-03 07:43 AM |
#220 |
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"Why would I watch TV?" |
library_max |
Oct-26-03 06:44 PM |
#223 |
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This embodies so much of what inspires me in Dennis!! |
hippywife |
Oct-14-03 07:15 AM |
#54 |
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vote in the DU primary |
cosmicdot |
Oct-15-03 02:20 PM |
#69 |
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During the primary season, and |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-15-03 06:54 PM |
#73 |
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good point |
goodhue |
Oct-15-03 07:07 PM |
#74 |
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If Kucinich is the "most electable"... |
Frodo |
Oct-17-03 07:41 AM |
#82 |
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Moderate voters outnumber liberal voters. |
poskonig |
Oct-19-03 01:46 PM |
#84 |
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You say this... |
hippywife |
Oct-19-03 03:57 PM |
#103 |
  -
With all due respect... |
Padraig18 |
Oct-19-03 04:08 PM |
#104 |
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And you never doubt that those polls are accurate, do you? |
diamondsoul |
Oct-19-03 11:11 PM |
#121 |
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I'm sorry |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 05:12 AM |
#123 |
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They don't have to be 'part of some huge anti-DK conspiracy' |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 06:19 AM |
#126 |
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Since their votes count 1:1, just like everyone else's... |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 07:11 AM |
#129 |
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"This election is not about some abstract 'heart and soul'" |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 09:04 AM |
#132 |
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",,,it is about recapturing our sovereign right to self-government...." |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 09:17 AM |
#133 |
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I'm struggling to believe you're serious |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 02:05 PM |
#138 |
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*Your definition* of 'soul of the party' |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 03:27 PM |
#139 |
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The soul of the party |
library_max |
Oct-20-03 04:16 PM |
#140 |
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The 70's and 80's, all over again |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 04:21 PM |
#141 |
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"The party of 2003 is not the party of 1963. Parties evolve" |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 04:56 PM |
#143 |
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It is NOT 'meaningless' |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 06:18 PM |
#150 |
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"being extremely generous, {that's} less than 20% of the electorate" |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 04:48 PM |
#142 |
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Your wish is my command. |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 04:57 PM |
#144 |
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Did you see the "And don't bother with self-labeling" part? |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 05:10 PM |
#145 |
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I give up |
Padraig18 |
Oct-20-03 05:15 PM |
#146 |
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Okay, how about this? |
library_max |
Oct-20-03 05:18 PM |
#147 |
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how the hell is a choice between |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-21-03 08:11 AM |
#163 |
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You're focusing on the distractions, exactly as they intend you to do |
Mairead |
Oct-21-03 08:48 AM |
#165 |
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Reproductive rights is a distraction? |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 07:05 AM |
#188 |
  -
Sorry that you don't get it |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 07:21 AM |
#191 |
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whatever. |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 08:07 AM |
#195 |
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Gay rights is a distraction? |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 07:08 AM |
#189 |
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Yes, it's a distraction. |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 07:25 AM |
#193 |
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you honestly don't think gay marriage would be progress? |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 08:13 AM |
#196 |
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Not if it's a sop, no. What's hard to understand about that? |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 08:40 AM |
#199 |
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That was Clinton. |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 08:48 AM |
#201 |
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Yes, they are Clinton-workalikes. Same attitudes. |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 08:57 AM |
#204 |
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sure, anyone else want to toss some out too? |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 10:09 AM |
#207 |
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or exhaustive (n/t) |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 10:09 AM |
#208 |
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Show us the numbers |
Mairead |
Oct-20-03 06:42 AM |
#127 |
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If we had our druthers |
lapauvre |
Oct-20-03 10:06 PM |
#153 |
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"I voted for Nader last time. You see where it got us?" |
diamondsoul |
Oct-20-03 10:15 PM |
#154 |
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Diamond, it was a protest vote, and |
lapauvre |
Oct-20-03 10:49 PM |
#156 |
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Please do not confuse the primaries and the general |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-21-03 10:51 AM |
#167 |
  -
But if you get your way in the primaries, |
library_max |
Oct-21-03 04:06 PM |
#177 |
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I think you should try supporting your claims |
Mairead |
Oct-21-03 04:15 PM |
#179 |
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To be perfectly correct |
Padraig18 |
Oct-21-03 04:27 PM |
#181 |
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Perhaps you should re-read the post to which I responded, and |
Mairead |
Oct-21-03 04:43 PM |
#183 |
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I get the feeling... |
Padraig18 |
Oct-21-03 05:13 PM |
#184 |
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how about U.S. history? |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 07:22 AM |
#192 |
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Just had to ask you about one part of this post... |
redqueen |
Oct-22-03 12:05 PM |
#213 |
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no, I'm sorry, that's not what I mean |
peaceandjustice |
Oct-22-03 03:23 PM |
#217 |
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Logic, common sense, and experience |
library_max |
Oct-22-03 11:07 AM |
#210 |
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Of course you have the right to fear. |
diamondsoul |
Oct-21-03 04:38 PM |
#182 |
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I voted for Nader, TWICE, because he was the best Democrat in the race |
no name no slogan |
Oct-21-03 05:25 PM |
#186 |
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Is Al Sharpton unelectible? |
CWebster |
Oct-22-03 07:43 AM |
#194 |
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No, Al is not unelectable. |
Mairead |
Oct-22-03 08:49 AM |
#202 |
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Incoming! |
Padraig18 |
Oct-22-03 08:49 AM |
#203 |
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Hi There! (My first post) |
redqueen |
Oct-22-03 11:32 AM |
#211 |
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Welcome to DU, redqueen! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-22-03 12:25 PM |
#214 |