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45. You're correct John
Mondale was slaughtered by a combination of the national right-wing media attack, the fact that his opponent (Norm Coleman) was hand-picked by BushCo to run against Wellstone-- and received piles of RNC money to help him.

And then there's the simple fact that no matter how you slice it, Mondale is not Wellstone.

Wellstone appealed to more Republicans than you can imagine-- even though they didn't agree with him on a number of issues, they trusted him to be honest and do the right thing. You'd be amazed by how many Repubs were going to vote for him over Norm Coleman because they knew he was a man of character; unlike Coleman, who not only jumped parties while he was mayor of Saint Paul, he also broke a promise he made in his mayoral re-election campaign that he wouldn't run for US Senate or Governor while serving as mayor.

But, once Wellstone was out of the picture, it became a race between two politicians, and the better politician won. Sad but true.
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  -Kucinich is "unelectable"- a question. diamondsoul  Oct-13-03 01:02 PM   #0 
  - Imagine how stupid those who voted against FDR in the primary  genius   Oct-13-03 01:05 PM   #1 
  - Well said, my friend!  diamondsoul   Oct-13-03 01:12 PM   #2 
  - Oh please  jsw_81   Oct-14-03 12:42 AM   #50 
  - um  OhioStateProgressive   Oct-26-03 07:02 AM   #222 
  - How would I feel?  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-20-03 06:28 PM   #151 
     - I've felt fine  peaceandjustice   Oct-21-03 07:18 AM   #157 
     - not all greens  zonmoy   Oct-21-03 04:11 PM   #178 
        - And where did it get you?  library_max   Oct-21-03 04:16 PM   #180 
  - Thats the message  leftbend   Oct-13-03 01:14 PM   #3 
  - If not now, when? Fair question...  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-20-03 06:10 PM   #148 
     - I've noticed that the criticisms of Dennis all boil down to one thing  Mairead   Oct-21-03 08:25 AM   #164 
        - "rethink?"  Tom Rinaldo   Oct-21-03 09:56 AM   #166 
  - Thank You!  Rainbowreflect   Oct-13-03 01:15 PM   #4 
  - WHAT IF...  LoZoccolo   Oct-13-03 01:17 PM   #5 
  - What if I am inspired by the idea of what my nation should be  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 01:20 PM   #7 
  - Ok that was funny, but in a very scary way.  diamondsoul   Oct-13-03 01:24 PM   #8 
  - I can't help but think  MuseRider   Oct-13-03 01:18 PM   #6 
  - I used to be an idealist...  blackcat77   Oct-13-03 01:29 PM   #9 
  - I disagree with you.  diamondsoul   Oct-13-03 01:43 PM   #13 
     - yeah youre right  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 01:46 PM   #14 
     - So the Clinton years and the Bush years were the same.  library_max   Oct-13-03 03:52 PM   #21 
     - For a lot of working people, Bush is no different than Clinton  no name no slogan   Oct-13-03 05:56 PM   #43 
        - Okay, so you're limiting the debate to pocketbook issues  library_max   Oct-14-03 12:19 PM   #57 
        - Services  sandnsea   Oct-19-03 02:19 PM   #88 
     - Change  sandnsea   Oct-19-03 02:08 PM   #87 
        - Status quo Dems vs. Bush  diamondsoul   Oct-19-03 10:47 PM   #120 
           - I just disagree  sandnsea   Oct-20-03 03:25 AM   #122 
           - wow...  Desertrose   Oct-20-03 09:43 AM   #135 
           - You make a wild leap  sandnsea   Oct-20-03 12:59 PM   #137 
              - "Kucinich doesn't seem willing to admit the simple truth of the ME oil"  Mairead   Oct-22-03 12:49 PM   #215 
           - Kucinich's track record  hippywife   Oct-20-03 06:18 PM   #149 
           - Let me just say I decided to reply to  diamondsoul   Oct-20-03 09:36 PM   #152 
              - Just enjoying the conversation  sandnsea   Oct-20-03 10:31 PM   #155 
                 - I agree on Kerry's energy policies.  diamondsoul   Oct-21-03 03:59 PM   #176 
           - Kucinich won't get us out of Iraq  peaceandjustice   Oct-21-03 07:26 AM   #158 
              - How do you know that?  Mairead   Oct-21-03 08:03 AM   #162 
                 - Who committed the troops in the Balkans?  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 07:12 AM   #190 
                    - uhhh...don't want to bust your bubble, but it wasn't Dennis  Mairead   Oct-22-03 08:19 AM   #197 
                       - no...wow...no  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 08:45 AM   #200 
                          - "you wanted evidence that U.S. troops would have to remain in Iraq"  Mairead   Oct-23-03 06:09 PM   #218 
                             - The UN requested the U.S. send those troops.  peaceandjustice   Oct-24-03 06:54 AM   #219 
                                - You're not answering the question.  Mairead   Oct-26-03 06:50 AM   #221 
                                   - and you're rewording the question.  peaceandjustice   Oct-27-03 07:54 AM   #224 
  - The ideal candidate is the one that can beat Bush.  union_maid   Oct-13-03 01:34 PM   #10 
  - I like Braun a lot. My chief complaint  diamondsoul   Oct-13-03 01:57 PM   #15 
  - Yup me too  indigo32   Oct-13-03 05:38 PM   #37 
  - If Dennis can win the Democratic primary, then he'll be "electable."  RUMMYisFROSTED   Oct-13-03 01:36 PM   #11 
  - This poll is probably skewed,  pnorman   Oct-13-03 01:42 PM   #12 
  - I'll just say: 'Oh, too bad!'  damnraddem   Oct-13-03 02:39 PM   #16 
  - I like her but I like Kucinich more so  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 02:42 PM   #17 
  - What if it is? And how are you helping her by attacking me?  diamondsoul   Oct-13-03 02:59 PM   #18 
  - Thought experiment  library_max   Oct-13-03 03:48 PM   #19 
  - what is your point?  Desertrose   Oct-13-03 03:50 PM   #20 
  - Everything the original post says about Kucinich  library_max   Oct-13-03 03:54 PM   #22 
  - Substituting "Wellstone" is more analagous  dpbrown   Oct-13-03 03:55 PM   #23 
     - Really?  library_max   Oct-13-03 04:02 PM   #25 
     - He was going to in 2000  no name no slogan   Oct-13-03 05:59 PM   #44 
     - Being the soul of the Senate and being elected President  boxster   Oct-13-03 04:07 PM   #26 
     - yes but Wellstone wasnt expected to well either  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 04:10 PM   #27 
        - I like Kucinich too  library_max   Oct-13-03 04:44 PM   #28 
        - Its not mine but I believe that, we went over funding  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 04:47 PM   #29 
           - Good for you.  library_max   Oct-13-03 05:32 PM   #35 
              - I am a democrat does that suprise you lol  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 05:33 PM   #36 
        - I understood the point he was attempting to make.  boxster   Oct-13-03 04:49 PM   #30 
           - I guess orry for my intepretion  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 04:55 PM   #31 
           - No, don't apologize.  boxster   Oct-13-03 05:09 PM   #33 
           - with the whole memorial fiasco  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 05:12 PM   #34 
           - You're correct John  no name no slogan   Oct-13-03 06:07 PM   #45 
           - Another reason that Mondale didn't make it  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-13-03 05:48 PM   #39 
           - Thanks Lydia  JohnKleeb   Oct-13-03 05:50 PM   #40 
           - try this little experiment, you might be surprised  plurality   Oct-14-03 07:53 AM   #56 
     - Hey, Dan  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-13-03 05:52 PM   #42 
        - That's the "other" Dan  dpbrown   Oct-14-03 12:35 PM   #59 
           - and you'll have a great time....  Desertrose   Oct-14-03 12:45 PM   #61 
  - Here is why DK is unelectable  Nederland   Oct-13-03 04:01 PM   #24 
  - Nothing is simple these days....  Desertrose   Oct-13-03 04:59 PM   #32 
  - Unfortunately thats the world we live in  indigo32   Oct-13-03 05:47 PM   #38 
     - I'm also in favor of the positions listed above...  MrWiggles   Oct-14-03 07:17 AM   #55 
        - He's ahead of his time  Padraig18   Oct-21-03 12:58 PM   #168 
           - Ummm no offense but we are constantly told this  JohnKleeb   Oct-21-03 01:05 PM   #169 
              - Trust me, John, any Dean supporter understands  Padraig18   Oct-21-03 01:49 PM   #170 
                 - Then understand our anger  JohnKleeb   Oct-21-03 01:57 PM   #171 
                    - I do look at that  Padraig18   Oct-21-03 02:11 PM   #172 
                       - Well you know those two things that you mention dont bother me  JohnKleeb   Oct-21-03 02:14 PM   #173 
                          - Yep  Padraig18   Oct-21-03 02:29 PM   #174 
                             - Well if more people could have a bit of common sense and put it  JohnKleeb   Oct-21-03 02:38 PM   #175 
  - I wonder...  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-13-03 05:50 PM   #41 
  - Oh Lydia, doing the right thing is meaningless unless we WIN  no name no slogan   Oct-13-03 06:17 PM   #46 
     - Need a moderate to win - like hell.  snoochie   Oct-13-03 09:03 PM   #48 
     - Oh yeah.  library_max   Oct-14-03 12:46 PM   #62 
        - Actually Hightower won TWICE  no name no slogan   Oct-21-03 05:15 PM   #185 
     - Gee, I'm SO sorry that the facts annoy you.  library_max   Oct-14-03 12:23 PM   #58 
        - You can be a smartass till the cows come home...  snoochie   Oct-14-03 08:21 PM   #63 
           - Yes snoochie lets accept defeat  JohnKleeb   Oct-14-03 08:24 PM   #64 
           - HA! As if!  snoochie   Oct-14-03 08:34 PM   #66 
              - I lose it too, I dont come across that way though  JohnKleeb   Oct-14-03 08:45 PM   #67 
           - Just for laughs  library_max   Oct-15-03 04:31 PM   #70 
              - Yeah I read it...  snoochie   Oct-16-03 07:51 PM   #78 
                 - You don't comprehend practical politics.  library_max   Oct-19-03 01:41 PM   #83 
                    - You're pretty insulting...  snoochie   Oct-19-03 03:08 PM   #94 
                       - FDR was very vague in his positions during the 1932 election  library_max   Oct-19-03 03:31 PM   #98 
                       - Sen. Paul simon called FDR...  Padraig18   Oct-19-03 06:25 PM   #117 
                          - Thanks, Padraig.  library_max   Oct-19-03 06:36 PM   #118 
                             - YW  Padraig18   Oct-19-03 06:42 PM   #119 
                       - was FDR great?  peaceandjustice   Oct-21-03 07:42 AM   #159 
  - retirement age  goodhue   Oct-13-03 06:18 PM   #47 
  - Let's look at the real numbers for a change, shall we?  Mairead   Oct-13-03 11:23 PM   #49 
  - Yea the 90's were great!  Egnever   Oct-14-03 02:10 AM   #51 
  - I think this is where Dennis will have victory  hippywife   Oct-14-03 06:40 AM   #52 
  - Perhaps I should have used the actual language on that one  Mairead   Oct-14-03 06:54 AM   #53 
  - Once again, the rosy assumptions.  library_max   Oct-14-03 12:43 PM   #60 
     - Ooooh I lost my temper with you once...  snoochie   Oct-14-03 08:26 PM   #65 
     - Don't forget that Clinton's plan just plain SUCKED  no name no slogan   Oct-15-03 12:21 PM   #68 
     - Maybe it did  library_max   Oct-15-03 04:37 PM   #72 
        - "smaller change"  diamondsoul   Oct-15-03 08:36 PM   #75 
        - Well okay then  library_max   Oct-16-03 05:24 PM   #77 
           - The Clinton plan not passing didn't have a thing to do with  diamondsoul   Oct-17-03 01:52 AM   #81 
        - Why start from a "smaller change" position?  no name no slogan   Oct-21-03 05:33 PM   #187 
        - And, how amazing, now a abc/wp poll says people are 2:1 in favor  Mairead   Oct-22-03 08:32 AM   #198 
           - Hobgoblin question  Padraig18   Oct-22-03 08:57 AM   #205 
              - Because one is a 'declaration against interest', to use the legal term  Mairead   Oct-22-03 09:45 AM   #206 
                 - Ooooooooooooo-K! n/t  Padraig18   Oct-22-03 10:20 AM   #209 
     - Fine. Obviously one of us is seriously out of touch with reality.  library_max   Oct-15-03 04:33 PM   #71 
        - Go ahead...  snoochie   Oct-16-03 07:56 PM   #79 
        - When has this approach ever worked?  library_max   Oct-19-03 01:57 PM   #86 
           - That would make sense...  snoochie   Oct-19-03 02:33 PM   #89 
           - Interesting reply  library_max   Oct-19-03 03:17 PM   #96 
           - I'm sure he isn't  snoochie   Oct-19-03 03:30 PM   #97 
              - Regarding Clinton being sorry about his actions in office  library_max   Oct-19-03 03:43 PM   #100 
           - can't we find someone between Clinton/Gore and Kucinich...  peaceandjustice   Oct-21-03 07:51 AM   #160 
              - I would agree with you. n/t  Padraig18   Oct-21-03 08:01 AM   #161 
           - Just to explain, it was this part of your melodramatic...  snoochie   Oct-19-03 03:33 PM   #99 
              - That's your delusional view of the matter.  library_max   Oct-19-03 03:45 PM   #101 
                 - We had 8 years  hippywife   Oct-19-03 03:52 PM   #102 
                    - So how does that make him electable?  library_max   Oct-19-03 04:59 PM   #105 
        - The problem with your 'concession' is  Mairead   Oct-16-03 08:07 PM   #80 
           - Have you committed to ABB?  library_max   Oct-19-03 01:47 PM   #85 
              - The problem with your position  Mairead   Oct-19-03 02:49 PM   #90 
                 - Pretty silly analogy  library_max   Oct-19-03 03:00 PM   #91 
                 - Would you please address the issue in my reply above?  snoochie   Oct-19-03 03:04 PM   #93 
                 - I'd like to see his answer too, snoochie  Mairead   Oct-19-03 06:01 PM   #110 
                 - I answered it where you raised it  library_max   Oct-19-03 06:18 PM   #114 
                    - Sure you did  Mairead   Oct-20-03 08:36 AM   #131 
                 - No, it's only silly if you're in favor of conditions continuing to worsen  Mairead   Oct-19-03 05:21 PM   #106 
                    - Question:  Padraig18   Oct-19-03 05:42 PM   #107 
                       - You persist in not getting it  Mairead   Oct-19-03 06:00 PM   #109 
                          - Koolaid?  library_max   Oct-19-03 06:15 PM   #112 
                          - Who is this 'we'?  Padraig18   Oct-19-03 06:20 PM   #115 
                 - No  Padraig18   Oct-19-03 03:01 PM   #92 
                    - Yes  Mairead   Oct-19-03 05:47 PM   #108 
                       - Okay, I thought I was getting this, but now I'm lost.  library_max   Oct-19-03 06:07 PM   #111 
                          - You're only lost because you persist in keeping your eyes shut and  Mairead   Oct-19-03 06:16 PM   #113 
                          - No, we're supposed to...  Padraig18   Oct-19-03 06:22 PM   #116 
                             - No, you're supposed to...  Mairead   Oct-20-03 06:10 AM   #125 
                                - "...the traditional ideals of the Democratic Party...."  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 07:07 AM   #128 
                                   - "As defined by WHOM?"  Mairead   Oct-20-03 08:14 AM   #130 
                                      - That's not an answer--- it's an evasion. n/t  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 09:19 AM   #134 
     - They're not rosy assumptions, they're REAL numbers.  Mairead   Oct-16-03 08:58 AM   #76 
        - Where were you living in 2001 and 2002?  library_max   Oct-19-03 03:11 PM   #95 
           - In Massachusetts, where I live now  Mairead   Oct-20-03 05:56 AM   #124 
           - Good for you.  library_max   Oct-20-03 11:52 AM   #136 
           - "Everything changed after 9/11"?  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-22-03 12:01 PM   #212 
              - And they elected Sharon.  library_max   Oct-22-03 01:00 PM   #216 
                 - No. I don't watch T.V.  LWolf   Oct-24-03 07:43 AM   #220 
                    - "Why would I watch TV?"  library_max   Oct-26-03 06:44 PM   #223 
  - This embodies so much of what inspires me in Dennis!!  hippywife   Oct-14-03 07:15 AM   #54 
  - vote in the DU primary  cosmicdot   Oct-15-03 02:20 PM   #69 
  - During the primary season, and  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-15-03 06:54 PM   #73 
  - good point  goodhue   Oct-15-03 07:07 PM   #74 
     - If Kucinich is the "most electable"...  Frodo   Oct-17-03 07:41 AM   #82 
  - Moderate voters outnumber liberal voters.  poskonig   Oct-19-03 01:46 PM   #84 
  - You say this...  hippywife   Oct-19-03 03:57 PM   #103 
  - With all due respect...  Padraig18   Oct-19-03 04:08 PM   #104 
     - And you never doubt that those polls are accurate, do you?  diamondsoul   Oct-19-03 11:11 PM   #121 
        - I'm sorry  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 05:12 AM   #123 
           - They don't have to be 'part of some huge anti-DK conspiracy'  Mairead   Oct-20-03 06:19 AM   #126 
              - Since their votes count 1:1, just like everyone else's...  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 07:11 AM   #129 
                 - "This election is not about some abstract 'heart and soul'"  Mairead   Oct-20-03 09:04 AM   #132 
                    - ",,,it is about recapturing our sovereign right to self-government...."  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 09:17 AM   #133 
                       - I'm struggling to believe you're serious  Mairead   Oct-20-03 02:05 PM   #138 
                          - *Your definition* of 'soul of the party'  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 03:27 PM   #139 
                          - The soul of the party  library_max   Oct-20-03 04:16 PM   #140 
                             - The 70's and 80's, all over again  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 04:21 PM   #141 
                             - "The party of 2003 is not the party of 1963. Parties evolve"  Mairead   Oct-20-03 04:56 PM   #143 
                                - It is NOT 'meaningless'  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 06:18 PM   #150 
                             - "being extremely generous, {that's} less than 20% of the electorate"  Mairead   Oct-20-03 04:48 PM   #142 
                                - Your wish is my command.  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 04:57 PM   #144 
                                   - Did you see the "And don't bother with self-labeling" part?  Mairead   Oct-20-03 05:10 PM   #145 
                                      - I give up  Padraig18   Oct-20-03 05:15 PM   #146 
                                      - Okay, how about this?  library_max   Oct-20-03 05:18 PM   #147 
                          - how the hell is a choice between  peaceandjustice   Oct-21-03 08:11 AM   #163 
                             - You're focusing on the distractions, exactly as they intend you to do  Mairead   Oct-21-03 08:48 AM   #165 
                                - Reproductive rights is a distraction?  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 07:05 AM   #188 
                                - Sorry that you don't get it  Mairead   Oct-22-03 07:21 AM   #191 
                                   - whatever.  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 08:07 AM   #195 
                                - Gay rights is a distraction?  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 07:08 AM   #189 
                                   - Yes, it's a distraction.  Mairead   Oct-22-03 07:25 AM   #193 
                                      - you honestly don't think gay marriage would be progress?  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 08:13 AM   #196 
                                         - Not if it's a sop, no. What's hard to understand about that?  Mairead   Oct-22-03 08:40 AM   #199 
                                            - That was Clinton.  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 08:48 AM   #201 
                                               - Yes, they are Clinton-workalikes. Same attitudes.  Mairead   Oct-22-03 08:57 AM   #204 
                                                  - sure, anyone else want to toss some out too?  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 10:09 AM   #207 
                                                  - or exhaustive (n/t)  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 10:09 AM   #208 
  - Show us the numbers  Mairead   Oct-20-03 06:42 AM   #127 
  - If we had our druthers  lapauvre   Oct-20-03 10:06 PM   #153 
  - "I voted for Nader last time. You see where it got us?"  diamondsoul   Oct-20-03 10:15 PM   #154 
     - Diamond, it was a protest vote, and  lapauvre   Oct-20-03 10:49 PM   #156 
     - Please do not confuse the primaries and the general  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-21-03 10:51 AM   #167 
     - But if you get your way in the primaries,  library_max   Oct-21-03 04:06 PM   #177 
        - I think you should try supporting your claims  Mairead   Oct-21-03 04:15 PM   #179 
           - To be perfectly correct  Padraig18   Oct-21-03 04:27 PM   #181 
           - Perhaps you should re-read the post to which I responded, and  Mairead   Oct-21-03 04:43 PM   #183 
              - I get the feeling...  Padraig18   Oct-21-03 05:13 PM   #184 
           - how about U.S. history?  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 07:22 AM   #192 
           - Just had to ask you about one part of this post...  redqueen   Oct-22-03 12:05 PM   #213 
              - no, I'm sorry, that's not what I mean  peaceandjustice   Oct-22-03 03:23 PM   #217 
           - Logic, common sense, and experience  library_max   Oct-22-03 11:07 AM   #210 
     - Of course you have the right to fear.  diamondsoul   Oct-21-03 04:38 PM   #182 
     - I voted for Nader, TWICE, because he was the best Democrat in the race  no name no slogan   Oct-21-03 05:25 PM   #186 
  - Is Al Sharpton unelectible?  CWebster   Oct-22-03 07:43 AM   #194 
  - No, Al is not unelectable.  Mairead   Oct-22-03 08:49 AM   #202 
  - Incoming!  Padraig18   Oct-22-03 08:49 AM   #203 
  - Hi There! (My first post)  redqueen   Oct-22-03 11:32 AM   #211 
     - Welcome to DU, redqueen!  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-22-03 12:25 PM   #214 
 

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