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Sun Oct-12-03 11:53 PM
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| 10. This isn't explaining |
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it is reading. He never said, as in the words aren't there, that the deaths of Oday and Umay (sp), were not good things. He said, as he had repeatedly, that the means (war in Iraq) isn't justified by the ends (removal of Oday and Umay). Again it is crystal clear from what even Safire chose to quote. The fact that both McCain and Safire can't or won't read English is hardly Dean's fault. Dean is correct when he says he didn't say that the death of Oday and Umay were unjustified or that using the military on them was unjustified. He just plain didn't say that.
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| -Dean's 'Urban Legend' |
kplongco |
Oct-12-03 11:29 PM |
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I'm not a Dean fan, but I DETEST Saffire. I wouldn't trust a thing that... |
AP |
Oct-12-03 11:36 PM |
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Chances are that it will be repeated |
kplongco |
Oct-12-03 11:45 PM |
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WHAT? You think what we did was right? |
madfloridian |
Oct-12-03 11:53 PM |
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Holy moly |
kplongco |
Oct-13-03 12:03 AM |
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Learn to read, indeed |
killbotfactory |
Oct-13-03 12:10 AM |
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Watch Me . no me . no me meeeeee |
drfemoe |
Oct-13-03 04:24 PM |
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Excuse me |
dsc |
Oct-12-03 11:38 PM |
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I think McCain is jealous of Dean |
pruner |
Oct-12-03 11:43 PM |
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Explaining what he meant is very different |
kplongco |
Oct-12-03 11:46 PM |
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I was referring to the bitter tone I sense anytime McCain comments on Dean |
pruner |
Oct-12-03 11:51 PM |
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the point of the article |
kplongco |
Oct-12-03 11:54 PM |
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I understand what the "article" is about… |
pruner |
Oct-12-03 11:57 PM |
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He denied making that remark in regards to Uday and Qusay. |
dkf |
Oct-13-03 12:04 AM |
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McCain probably just wants a Democrat to get nominated who can win |
AP |
Oct-12-03 11:54 PM |
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hahaha I have no idea |
kplongco |
Oct-12-03 11:57 PM |
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Maybe he wants a Republican type Democrat? |
ozone_man |
Oct-13-03 12:32 PM |
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It wouldn't surprise me |
kplongco |
Oct-13-03 02:30 PM |
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This isn't explaining |
dsc |
Oct-12-03 11:53 PM |
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Killing Saddam's sons doesn't justify this war |
killbotfactory |
Oct-12-03 11:48 PM |
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I did the same search, no Holly Ramer. Proud of Dean for saying it. |
madfloridian |
Oct-12-03 11:49 PM |
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Do you think we handled it right about the sons? |
madfloridian |
Oct-12-03 11:52 PM |
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My point, in case it wasn't crystal clear |
kplongco |
Oct-12-03 11:56 PM |
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What exactly was Dean being accused of? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Oct-13-03 12:17 AM |
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There seem to be two different versions of the Holly Ramer story. |
w4rma |
Oct-13-03 12:03 AM |
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That's one of the worst written pieces of tripe I've ever read |
Eloriel |
Oct-13-03 12:03 AM |
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If Dean is the nominee Fox News will find this on video somewhere |
DJcairo |
Oct-13-03 12:13 AM |
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No, then they'll learn that McCain's characterization of what Dean said |
killbotfactory |
Oct-13-03 12:15 AM |
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The Note on "language-tone-deaf" Safire |
party_line |
Oct-13-03 11:32 AM |
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An Example of Why Dean Is Unelectable |
DrFunkenstein |
Oct-13-03 12:26 AM |
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And terrorists are soldiers |
sandnsea |
Oct-13-03 12:30 AM |
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The anti-Dean spammers are here! DJcairo, DrFunkenstein and sandnsea |
w4rma |
Oct-13-03 12:34 AM |
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The definition of SOLDIER - please read sandnsea and others. |
Sean Reynolds |
Oct-13-03 12:14 PM |
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What is dumb about Dean's statement? |
killbotfactory |
Oct-13-03 12:35 AM |
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He didn't say it in the language of the insiders |
party_line |
Oct-13-03 11:04 AM |
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I Meant Safire's Attack Was Dumb-Ass |
DrFunkenstein |
Oct-13-03 04:32 PM |
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Dean is legendary for forcing retractions. |
blm |
Oct-13-03 10:38 AM |
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that's because it's #546,232,498 on the List Of Retractions |
Pez |
Oct-13-03 10:58 AM |
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The Weekly Standard is an opinion magazine |
dsc |
Oct-13-03 08:00 PM |
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But, there was verification on electricity dereg. from the Vt. paper |
blm |
Oct-14-03 09:39 AM |
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Since I have no clue what CATO looks at I honestly can't answer that |
dsc |
Oct-14-03 03:49 PM |
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The hypocricy continues.... |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 11:08 AM |
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why is it that... |
Pez |
Oct-13-03 11:28 AM |
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What are you talking about? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 11:51 AM |
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sorry; didn't make the connection... |
Pez |
Oct-13-03 12:16 PM |
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No apology necessary. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 01:23 PM |
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Oh, man he DID say it |
kplongco |
Oct-13-03 02:35 PM |
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See post #62 |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 07:17 PM |
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RiF is correct, IMHO (n/t) |
w4rma |
Oct-13-03 11:52 AM |
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As long as we are looking at 'Whoppers of the Week' |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 12:14 PM |
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Kerry wasn't "legendary" for demanding retractions from the press. |
blm |
Oct-13-03 12:46 PM |
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Here: |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 12:53 PM |
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You are defending 'The American Spectator' now? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 01:08 PM |
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No. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 01:13 PM |
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the full paragraph gives a better idea i think. |
Pez |
Oct-13-03 01:11 PM |
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No, it doesn't. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 01:14 PM |
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That's because it was OUTRAGEOUS. |
blm |
Oct-13-03 02:14 PM |
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And McCain's suggestion that Dean was "soft" on the deaths of |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 02:18 PM |
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McCain's 'straight talk' looks like a pretzel to me. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 02:25 PM |
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And so does Safire's. n/t |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 02:26 PM |
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That wasn't my fight. My fight is with Dean and those who excuse |
blm |
Oct-13-03 03:49 PM |
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Way To Selectively Read |
DrFunkenstein |
Oct-13-03 04:33 PM |
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Uh, huh. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 04:41 PM |
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for the love of nutterbutter peanutbutter sandwich cookies... |
Pez |
Oct-13-03 04:45 PM |
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Mmmm. Nutter Butter..... |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 06:06 PM |
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my favorite cookie. |
Pez |
Oct-13-03 07:42 PM |
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CNN kills two birds with one stone |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 07:13 PM |
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also would anyone be talking about woodruff right now otherwise? |
Pez |
Oct-13-03 07:46 PM |
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Aso, fwiw: |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 12:09 PM |
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It appears to them that Dean did say the literal words. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 12:18 PM |
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Are you thick? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 12:31 PM |
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McCain is an idiot and a hypocrite |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 12:40 PM |
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By saying "I never said that. I never said that." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 12:45 PM |
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Lying and telling the truth are the same thing? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 12:48 PM |
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"Figure of speech." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 01:11 PM |
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"I never said that" is a unqualified categorical statement, |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 01:21 PM |
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You're right.. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 01:26 PM |
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On further analysis |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 01:38 PM |
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"...and more analysis..." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 02:10 PM |
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I don't blame you for defending your guy |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 02:18 PM |
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So you're fully satisied that |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 02:25 PM |
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You can try to get me to defend Safire, or McCain, or Bush or whoever |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 02:35 PM |
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Didn't say what? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 02:37 PM |
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Umm we are talking about a column by William Safire. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 02:47 PM |
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"If they don't ask for a retraction I will consider it confirmation." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 02:52 PM |
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You implied this article did not present the facts accurately |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 02:56 PM |
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Got ya. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 03:00 PM |
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Because Dean never said what McCain dishonestly attributed to him. (NT) |
stickdog |
Oct-14-03 02:59 PM |
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How can anyone think this isn't clear?? |
Mairead |
Oct-13-03 12:27 PM |
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Of course the ends do not justify the means -- |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 12:32 PM |
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My guess would be McCain's remark |
Mairead |
Oct-13-03 01:03 PM |
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I completely agree that McCain mischaracterized |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 01:07 PM |
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Probably because he meant the deep-structure 'that', not the surface |
Mairead |
Oct-13-03 10:09 PM |
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I TOTALLY AGREE. I agree with you and the statement by Dean. |
gully |
Oct-13-03 03:22 PM |
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I don't get the whole thing |
union_maid |
Oct-13-03 01:19 PM |
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What part? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 01:23 PM |
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Oh |
union_maid |
Oct-13-03 01:35 PM |
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Nitpicking? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Oct-13-03 01:40 PM |
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Part of a huge pattern? Of denying he said what he said? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 02:04 PM |
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reasons why I think this is B.S. |
Cocoa |
Oct-13-03 03:50 PM |
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Reason why I think this isn't BS |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 07:39 PM |
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Yeah between Safire and Dean |
dsc |
Oct-13-03 08:02 PM |
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That's not our choice. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 08:08 PM |
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It is you who brought up history |
dsc |
Oct-13-03 10:03 PM |
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Please stop threatening and act - |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-13-03 10:24 PM |
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So we waste hours and 100+ posts fighting between |
Rowdyboy |
Oct-14-03 12:22 AM |
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i'm with you, rowdyboy... |
DianeK |
Oct-14-03 02:39 PM |
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Isn't Safire supposed to be a linguistic stickler? |
stickdog |
Oct-14-03 02:54 PM |
#105 |
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