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Pez Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 10:29 PM
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Ron Brownstein writes that "if Bush presents what he considered to be persuasive evidence that Iraq still had weapons of mass destruction, would support military action, even without U.N. authorization."

February 20, 2003, from

"If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice."


Jake Tapper writes, " is -- 'as I've said about eight times today,' says, annoyed -- that Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice.


"If Saddam refuses, for example, to destroy the missiles as the United Nations has demanded, then I think the United Nations is going to have an obligation to disarm him."

"If he were , I would advocate unilateral action."

"We believe... I believe that Iraq does have chemical and biological weapons, and they are a threat to many nations in the region, but not to the United States. Therefore in my view, the United States ought not to attack unilaterally. The United Nations should disarm Saddam, and we should be a part of that effort. The risk for us to unilaterally attack Iraq is that other nations will adopt our policy, and I can very easily see perhaps the Chinese saying one day, "well, Taiwan presents an imminent threat, and therefore we have the right to attack Taiwan." What we do matters, and morals matter in foreign policy."

-Howard Dean on Feb. 25th


dean went back and forth, ok. but don't trash fellow dems who had the responsibility of going on the record for their decision. they knew what a vote one way or the other would mean. ultimately, had it not been for bush and his ridiculous game of international hopscotch we would not be in this position today. it's not the fault of democrats.

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  -forget "electability"; what about "effectibility"? Pez  Oct-05-03 05:11 PM   #0 
  - GREAT Question  tsipple   Oct-05-03 05:20 PM   #1 
  - hmm  Pez   Oct-05-03 05:55 PM   #2 
  - Those guys in Congress did a great job passing the Republican agenda  w4rma   Oct-05-03 07:41 PM   #6 
     - *Some* of those guys. Not all.  LWolf   Oct-05-03 07:50 PM   #8 
     - I concede that point to you. (n/t)  w4rma   Oct-05-03 07:53 PM   #10 
     - Kucinich hasn't been very effective is stopping the GOP agenda either  Freddie Stubbs   Oct-06-03 10:27 PM   #46 
     - convenient...  Pez   Oct-05-03 09:52 PM   #12 
     - I am gonna show you irony when I say those who voted IWR are still  JohnKleeb   Oct-05-03 09:58 PM   #13 
     - heh; teh lieb.  Pez   Oct-05-03 10:15 PM   #15 
        - I know  JohnKleeb   Oct-05-03 10:16 PM   #16 
           - kucinich supporters rock  Pez   Oct-05-03 10:53 PM   #19 
              - Its good to know that we are helping  JohnKleeb   Oct-05-03 10:56 PM   #21 
                 - heheheh  Pez   Oct-05-03 11:56 PM   #25 
                    - A wise choice in Senator Kerry  JohnKleeb   Oct-06-03 01:18 AM   #28 
     - Dean's comments at the time of the IWR were *GREAT*. I'd never ignore them  w4rma   Oct-05-03 10:03 PM   #14 
        - and  Pez   Oct-05-03 10:29 PM   #17 
           - *I*'ve had no problem specifically with their *votes* on the IWR.  w4rma   Oct-05-03 10:55 PM   #20 
              - i'm not trashing dean...  Pez   Oct-05-03 11:43 PM   #23 
                 - Yes you are  w4rma   Oct-05-03 11:51 PM   #24 
                    - thanks for telling me what i think...  Pez   Oct-05-03 11:59 PM   #26 
     - Not on taxes, not on the environment, not on judges  DemDogs   Oct-05-03 10:30 PM   #18 
        - Are you serious?  w4rma   Oct-05-03 11:00 PM   #22 
        - Mario Cuomo and Dean?  JoAnnSimon   Oct-06-03 07:35 PM   #42 
  - Actually, governors have a WORSE time as presidents in DC  no name no slogan   Oct-06-03 09:45 PM   #43 
  - Dennis has quite a nice record  Mairead   Oct-05-03 06:20 PM   #3 
  - interesting  JohnKleeb   Oct-05-03 06:49 PM   #5 
  - You can't get much better than that.  LWolf   Oct-05-03 07:49 PM   #7 
  - isnt that interesting and some have said well hes idealogical  JohnKleeb   Oct-05-03 07:52 PM   #9 
  - nice  Pez   Oct-05-03 09:14 PM   #11 
  - Come on over to the dark side, Pez!  diamondsoul   Oct-06-03 02:04 AM   #29 
     - lol di come on pez  JohnKleeb   Oct-06-03 02:12 AM   #30 
     - aaaagh!  Pez   Oct-06-03 01:27 PM   #34 
  - Dennis Not Electable  JoAnnSimon   Oct-06-03 06:45 PM   #38 
     - Kucinich can stand up more than you can think actually  JohnKleeb   Oct-06-03 06:48 PM   #39 
     - Don't  hippywife   Oct-06-03 09:57 PM   #44 
     - They said that about Wellstone too-- I WAS THERE  no name no slogan   Oct-06-03 09:59 PM   #45 
     - don't hijack this thread  Pez   Oct-06-03 10:33 PM   #47 
        - Pez thank you  JohnKleeb   Oct-06-03 10:44 PM   #48 
  - good question  gottaB   Oct-05-03 06:47 PM   #4 
  - "good question" by gottaB  JoAnnSimon   Oct-06-03 07:08 PM   #40 
  - This is what I think Clark's great strength will be.  rsammel   Oct-06-03 12:20 AM   #27 
  - Clark-Elect?  JoAnnSimon   Oct-06-03 07:25 PM   #41 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-06-03 12:46 PM   #31 
     - I KNEW it.  MuseRider   Oct-06-03 01:17 PM   #32 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-06-03 01:21 PM   #33 
        - Nah, it was you who "turned us on"  diamondsoul   Oct-06-03 03:36 PM   #37 
     - thank you for your thoughtful, informative post  Pez   Oct-06-03 01:37 PM   #35 
        - That is not lkely  MuseRider   Oct-06-03 02:05 PM   #36 

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