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Mon Oct-06-03 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #122 |
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It's not like he said, "Dean you are such an idiot..your plan will never work". Kerry has a different opinion on what to do in this economic disaster. I for one would like some extra help while we fix this problem created by Bush's tax cuts for the rich. I suggest you read his words on this. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/restoring_jobs.html It is also not accurate to say that Kerry does not want to "impose labor and environmental standards on trade agreements." "I don't support the Free Trade Agreement of America nor the Central American Free Trade Agreement as it is today because they do desperately need to have increased labor standards, environment standards, to bring other countries up. You can't have trade be a rush to the bottom, and you can't leave other nations with a one-way street, and you can't abuse people the way it has been. It would be wonderful to have a president who could find the rest of the countries in this hemisphere. And I will do that." Source: Democratic Primary Debate, Albuquerque New Mexico Sep 4, 2003 KERRY: Yes, it is fair, because Gov. Dean has said very specifically that we should not trade with countries until they have labor and environment standards that are equal to the US. That means we would trade with no countries. It is a policy for shutting the door. It's either a policy for shutting the door, if you believe it, or it's a policy of just telling people what they want to hear." Source: Debate at Pace University in Lower Manhattan Sep 25, 2003
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| -What does this (Dean) statement mean? |
kplongco |
Oct-04-03 11:41 AM |
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it means Dean made a bad gaffe |
Cocoa |
Oct-04-03 11:48 AM |
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hmmm |
La_Serpiente |
Oct-04-03 11:50 AM |
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There is a massive disconnect |
Nicholas_J |
Oct-04-03 12:14 PM |
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I think he means |
RogueTrooper |
Oct-04-03 11:52 AM |
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He means that general crticism of high black incarceration rates isn't an |
AP |
Oct-04-03 12:32 PM |
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Oh to be a mindreader! |
loyalsister |
Oct-05-03 01:28 PM |
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Oh, to listen to the words he speaks rather to inject meaning... |
AP |
Oct-05-03 10:36 PM |
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incarceration |
loyalsister |
Oct-06-03 03:21 PM |
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Oct-06-03 05:24 PM |
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Oct-06-03 06:51 PM |
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Huh? |
AP |
Oct-06-03 07:47 PM |
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nuances? |
loyalsister |
Oct-06-03 09:44 PM |
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good |
michaud |
Oct-06-03 06:53 AM |
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I'll have a better idea of what was meant... |
gully |
Oct-04-03 11:54 AM |
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Most affluent voting elite recognize the need to contain undesirables |
DuctapeFatwa |
Oct-04-03 12:03 PM |
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vicious, but possibly true |
Cocoa |
Oct-04-03 12:15 PM |
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I hope you're trying to be funny. |
AP |
Oct-04-03 12:34 PM |
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No, that is just reality. Neither funny, nor pleasant, just the way it is |
DuctapeFatwa |
Oct-04-03 04:31 PM |
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Oh oh. There goes the "too liberal to get elected" argument. |
Demobrat |
Oct-04-03 12:18 PM |
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I'll guess two of the somebodies |
Cocoa |
Oct-04-03 12:32 PM |
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ouch |
Loyal |
Oct-04-03 12:34 PM |
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consistent |
goodhue |
Oct-04-03 02:59 PM |
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Why is he a heartless automaton when it comes to talking about high in- |
AP |
Oct-04-03 04:19 PM |
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Anyone who attempts to explain what it means |
LuminousX |
Oct-04-03 05:38 PM |
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Maybe - for once - Dean meant what he said. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-04-03 06:46 PM |
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He's exactly right! |
unfrigginreal |
Oct-04-03 07:01 PM |
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I don't think there would be a problem with just looking at them |
DuctapeFatwa |
Oct-04-03 08:58 PM |
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"looking at" them was my terminology, not the Governors. |
unfrigginreal |
Oct-04-03 09:19 PM |
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A few strongly worded statements should do the trick |
DuctapeFatwa |
Oct-04-03 10:04 PM |
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So, you don't argue with what he's saying... |
unfrigginreal |
Oct-04-03 10:23 PM |
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I think he means that he wants the support of affluent white voters |
DuctapeFatwa |
Oct-05-03 05:43 AM |
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"He is exactly wrong" and so are you, on this. |
DemDogs |
Oct-04-03 10:03 PM |
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Hogwash...you twist better than Chubby Checker. |
unfrigginreal |
Oct-04-03 10:10 PM |
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"Weepy and liberal"? He's bashing us. |
DemDogs |
Oct-04-03 11:54 PM |
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You nailed it here |
no name no slogan |
Oct-06-03 05:21 PM |
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right-o; and my comments... |
Pez |
Oct-06-03 07:03 PM |
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Look - there's no need to get |
weepy_and_liberal |
Oct-06-03 07:12 PM |
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oh, ~i'll~ give you something to get all weepy and liberal about!@#~ |
Pez |
Oct-06-03 07:21 PM |
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lol |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-06-03 07:25 PM |
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Welcome! |
no name no slogan |
Oct-06-03 08:42 PM |
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Part of the quote: "...and to fight racism in sentencing." |
w4rma |
Oct-06-03 08:59 PM |
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Uh so we shouldn't get all weepy and liberal on it. |
Sean Reynolds |
Oct-04-03 09:54 PM |
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What did Kerry mean when he said "Get over it."? |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-04-03 10:47 PM |
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I'm pretty sure he meant |
kplongco |
Oct-04-03 11:57 PM |
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It has everything to do with the quote you asked about. |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-05-03 08:51 PM |
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OK, Dean slams "liberal" and all you can is try to slime Kerry? |
TheDonkey |
Oct-06-03 05:49 PM |
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On the contrary... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Oct-06-03 09:43 PM |
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It means he's trying to connect with conservatives while |
w4rma |
Oct-04-03 11:29 PM |
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Which I'm sure the Howard University students really appreciated. |
AP |
Oct-05-03 11:54 AM |
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Dean says pretty much the same things no matter what group he's speaking |
w4rma |
Oct-05-03 06:11 PM |
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Yeah, he should be saying something different and say it to black & white |
AP |
Oct-05-03 10:34 PM |
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Will Dean have a southern strategy too? |
cindyw |
Oct-06-03 08:18 PM |
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It would have been more professional if the reporter had quoted or the |
Larkspur |
Oct-04-03 11:30 PM |
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PROfessional does not mean PRO-Dean |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-05-03 12:26 PM |
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Take responsibility, Dean. |
DemDogs |
Oct-05-03 10:45 PM |
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I'm not sure what Dean meant when he made the statement. |
LWolf |
Oct-05-03 12:13 PM |
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It's also a slam on the issue. It's saying that if you look at it... |
AP |
Oct-05-03 12:30 PM |
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Thats kind of my point on it too wolf |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-05-03 12:31 PM |
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It reveals Dean's true feelings about our liberal values. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-05-03 12:38 PM |
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My thoughts exactly, and the more |
diamondsoul |
Oct-05-03 01:20 PM |
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I know what you and fean mean |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-05-03 01:24 PM |
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I gotta be honest |
indigo32 |
Oct-05-03 05:48 PM |
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Separate the substance from the rhetoric |
w4rma |
Oct-05-03 06:26 PM |
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Obviously I'm capable of separating the substance from the rhetoric |
indigo32 |
Oct-05-03 06:48 PM |
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I'm sorry. |
w4rma |
Oct-05-03 06:59 PM |
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What do you expect when the guy took a shot at Marian Wright Edelman |
blm |
Oct-06-03 01:13 PM |
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BLM |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 01:28 PM |
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It's not helpful to look at the facts? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 01:42 PM |
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Perhaps |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 02:06 PM |
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Not complimentary of Dean, so you stick your fingers in your ears |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 02:38 PM |
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Yeah thats exactly what I said |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 02:40 PM |
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What you did say: |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 02:48 PM |
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except that you leave out a number of other facts |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 02:57 PM |
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I know you consider me 'the enemy' |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 03:06 PM |
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'The Enemy' LOL |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 03:21 PM |
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I'll be ready to turn my attention to beating BushCo |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 03:36 PM |
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Then TELL THEM |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 03:45 PM |
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Those things ARE good. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 04:11 PM |
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And what of the questions they will ask about Kerry |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 04:30 PM |
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Here we go again |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 04:51 PM |
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Yup |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 05:28 PM |
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If he retracted it the next day - why did he say it in the first place |
weepy_and_liberal |
Oct-06-03 05:34 PM |
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How am I supposed to know why he said it in the first place? |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 05:41 PM |
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It is a rhetorical question. |
weepy_and_liberal |
Oct-06-03 05:50 PM |
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sigh |
indigo32 |
Oct-06-03 05:53 PM |
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Why not? She's a prominent black leader and a liberal. |
blm |
Oct-06-03 02:20 PM |
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Dean made this statement defending Bill Clinton... |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 02:38 PM |
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That doesn't sound like a slam against liberals? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 03:18 PM |
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DEAN used it as a pejorative, which he did often. |
blm |
Oct-06-03 03:22 PM |
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And yet Dean has never rejected the "Liberal" label during the campaign |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 03:55 PM |
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Oct-06-03 04:23 PM |
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To be accurate, he's a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 04:35 PM |
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Wanting to cut Medicare is 'socially liberal'? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Oct-06-03 04:59 PM |
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That's not what he did in Vt. though, is it? |
blm |
Oct-06-03 04:34 PM |
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Actually, the quote I saw |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 04:41 PM |
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No, just don't try to pretend us real lefties should be impressed |
blm |
Oct-06-03 05:44 PM |
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Are you real lefties impressed with Kerry's vote for Bush's Iraq War? |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 07:13 PM |
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Now your just making things up or not really listening |
cindyw |
Oct-06-03 08:14 PM |
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You need to get your hands on some debate transcripts |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 10:02 PM |
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To disagree is not to ridicule or make fun off. |
cindyw |
Oct-06-03 11:03 PM |
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HAHAH...Kerry helped craft the Kyoto Accord |
blm |
Oct-06-03 08:36 PM |
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Dean ordered emission controls in VT more stringent than Kyoto |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 09:45 PM |
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In VERMONT, where even the GOPers have fair enviro creds. |
blm |
Oct-06-03 09:51 PM |
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And Kerry's faced a lot of pressure sticking to his liberal guns in Mass. |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 09:58 PM |
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Kerry cannot be challenged on his environmental record |
cindyw |
Oct-06-03 10:14 PM |
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because he beat out the most popular GOPr in Mass. |
blm |
Oct-06-03 10:25 PM |
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The DLC directory lists Kerry, but not Dean |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 10:53 PM |
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And Iraq |
cindyw |
Oct-06-03 09:20 PM |
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Yeah, Kerry is just a victim. He was duped by sneaky Smirk... |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 09:53 PM |
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Quote where Kerry takes credit for supporting Bush |
cindyw |
Oct-06-03 10:06 PM |
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Quote where Dean says the same things as Kerry. |
JaneQPublic |
Oct-06-03 10:27 PM |
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not like it hasn't been posted a million times but... |
Pez |
Oct-06-03 10:30 PM |
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Kerry says his vote was right not based on whether we should have gone to |
cindyw |
Oct-06-03 10:39 PM |
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Where was Dean during the war protests? |
MrWiggles |
Oct-06-03 10:11 PM |
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he was not "duped" |
Pez |
Oct-06-03 10:19 PM |
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Ductapefatwa and Demdogs |
kenzee13 |
Oct-05-03 06:53 PM |
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Bill Clinton supported raising the retirement age at that time also. |
w4rma |
Oct-05-03 07:01 PM |
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We are not discussing Bill Clinton but |
kenzee13 |
Oct-05-03 07:11 PM |
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Thank you for this post. |
diamondsoul |
Oct-05-03 07:14 PM |
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Here are Dean's stated positions. Dean is a centrist, however, |
w4rma |
Oct-05-03 07:20 PM |
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Exactly. |
weepy_and_liberal |
Oct-06-03 06:42 PM |
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Bill Clinton wasn't talking about raising the retirement age in |
DemBones DemBones |
Oct-05-03 07:20 PM |
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It means... |
Duder |
Oct-05-03 07:43 PM |
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Oct-06-03 01:07 PM |
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Perhaps you could elaborate? |
kenzee13 |
Oct-06-03 02:36 PM |
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ken "old fashion liberalism" |
JohnKleeb |
Oct-06-03 04:30 PM |
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Ok, I'm going to try to be as inoffensive as possible |
diamondsoul |
Oct-06-03 03:26 PM |
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LOL |
clar |
Oct-06-03 04:05 PM |
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Uh, Clar, maybe you have me confused with someone else? |
diamondsoul |
Oct-06-03 04:52 PM |
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I don't know what he meant but I cried when I heard it |
weepy_and_liberal |
Oct-06-03 05:04 PM |
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You're such a card, weepy_and_liberal |
RationalRose |
Oct-06-03 05:08 PM |
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Ridiculous, he should be ashamed and his supporters outraged |
TheDonkey |
Oct-06-03 05:44 PM |
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