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67. Business will be on board sooner than later
IMHO, we'll reach critical mass on this issue when business raises its voice about how much they have to pay for medical coverage for their workers. And that's already started to happen.

Currently we spend 13% of our annual GDP on healthcare-- more than any other industrialized nation. Under the Kucinich plan, our cost would be reduced to 7-8% of annual GDP.

In other words, it makes better fiscal sense to have a universal, single-payer system that covers EVERYONE-- not 90%, or 98%, but EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE. Trying to fix our current system is like putting a band-aid on a severed limb-- it's too little to late.
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  -I am 61 Racenut20  Sep-30-03 11:48 AM   #0 
  - Dean's "Medicare Plan"  justinb3   Sep-30-03 11:50 AM   #1 
  - The "facts" I was hearing this morning.  Racenut20   Sep-30-03 11:53 AM   #2 
  - Gep wants massive Health Ins Company welfare - rather than a Gov program  papau   Sep-30-03 12:21 PM   #4 
  - Actually  Nicholas_J   Sep-30-03 08:05 PM   # 
  - Sounds like you're convinced by what you heard  party_line   Sep-30-03 12:11 PM   #3 
  - I'm 58 and ...  fiziwig   Sep-30-03 12:41 PM   #5 
  - Please share your research. nt  NewYorkerfromMass   Sep-30-03 12:57 PM   #6 
  - Dean, Medicare, and Gephardt  justinb3   Sep-30-03 01:04 PM   #7 
     - Thank you for that site.  Sean Reynolds   Sep-30-03 01:11 PM   #8 
     - welcome  justinb3   Sep-30-03 01:43 PM   #9 
     - Did you miss this in your research?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-30-03 02:07 PM   #11 
        - Did you miss this in yours?  justinb3   Sep-30-03 06:03 PM   #13 
           - ???  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-30-03 06:50 PM   #14 
              - ??? (try reading upthread)  justinb3   Sep-30-03 07:06 PM   #15 
                 - OK I see Dean is not actually talking about Medicare in this quote at all.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-30-03 07:29 PM   #17 
                    - read the rest ...  justinb3   Sep-30-03 07:50 PM   #23 
                       - I've read it. What is your point?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-30-03 07:53 PM   #24 
  - Today is Friday - got your research?  molly   Oct-03-03 07:13 AM   #73 
  - I don't want any candidate who doesn't want Universal Single-payer  dpbrown   Sep-30-03 01:57 PM   #10 
  - Me too neither.  Mairead   Oct-01-03 10:51 AM   #41 
  - We must "get" that it's "big guvmint" to pay more for less health  dpbrown   Oct-01-03 12:12 PM   #42 
     - I agree. 'Big Government' is the government of pork  Mairead   Oct-03-03 06:24 AM   #72 
  - Show me how you're getting single-payer through Congress and I'll listen  MercutioATC   Oct-01-03 04:36 PM   #57 
  - Through popular and doctor support, and grassroots lobbying  dpbrown   Oct-01-03 05:04 PM   #62 
     - That's how alright.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 05:20 PM   #63 
     - It won't take that long  dpbrown   Oct-01-03 05:28 PM   #64 
        - I hope you are right.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 05:33 PM   #65 
           - We've been put in a position of static fear by trickle-down for too long  dpbrown   Oct-01-03 05:39 PM   #66 
           - Business will be on board sooner than later  no name no slogan   Oct-01-03 05:48 PM   #67 
     - You said it  kenzee13   Oct-01-03 08:47 PM   #69 
  - A related editorial in the NYTimes:  LWolf   Oct-01-03 08:47 PM   #70 
  - Your right. Dean is horrible on Senior issues  genius   Sep-30-03 04:35 PM   #12 
  - She has nothing to worry about  Egnever   Oct-01-03 08:31 AM   #36 
  - We people closer to retirement have a lot to consider  molly   Sep-30-03 07:16 PM   #16 
  - The rest of us should consider the elderly too.  genius   Sep-30-03 07:34 PM   #18 
     - Nick's post above contains the truth about Dean in Vermont  molly   Oct-01-03 06:41 AM   #33 
        - Dean's whole campaign is a lie  genius   Oct-01-03 04:37 PM   #58 
        - Thanks Molly  Nicholas_J   Oct-06-03 08:57 PM   #82 
           - Is the Kerry lie campaign going to buy ads?  acerbic   Oct-06-03 09:41 PM   #85 
  - Out of Context  LuminousX   Sep-30-03 07:35 PM   #19 
  - That site just shows different ways Dean disagreed with Gingrich but  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-30-03 07:45 PM   #20 
     - Actually the site  LuminousX   Sep-30-03 07:47 PM   #21 
        - lol that's what it says alright.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-30-03 07:47 PM   #22 
           - Yup:  Nicholas_J   Sep-30-03 08:09 PM   #27 
  - Think about Dean and HMO Frist, senate majority leader,  SEAburb   Sep-30-03 08:04 PM   #25 
  - Fear, yes, fear is a great tool  LuminousX   Sep-30-03 08:05 PM   #26 
     - An intelligent discussion requires looking at Dean's positions  genius   Sep-30-03 08:12 PM   #28 
     - Not only that...  Nicholas_J   Sep-30-03 08:20 PM   #29 
     - I don't have to  LuminousX   Sep-30-03 08:22 PM   #30 
        - Slowing the program's  Nicholas_J   Oct-01-03 02:51 PM   #49 
        - People are dying. Why doesn't Dean care.  genius   Oct-01-03 04:35 PM   #55 
        - Dean cut payments to doctors who offered to accept medicaid  Nicholas_J   Oct-01-03 08:29 PM   #68 
        - How on earth  kenzee13   Oct-01-03 08:57 PM   #71 
           - This is the scuttlebutt going around elder advocacy organizations  Nicholas_J   Oct-06-03 09:12 PM   #83 
     - At least you recognize that it is a scary prospect.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 04:13 AM   #31 
        - But there are so many scary prospects  LuminousX   Oct-01-03 09:08 AM   #37 
           - OK, you trust Dean. Now the rest of us are trying to decide if we should.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 12:43 PM   #43 
              - Spin Spin Spin  indigo32   Oct-01-03 12:58 PM   #44 
              - I tried to make peace  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 01:56 PM   #46 
              - You tried to make peace  indigo32   Oct-01-03 02:40 PM   #48 
                 - By not answering the points I raised in my previous post  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 03:21 PM   #51 
                    - Well,see, as I said we are just gonna have to agree to disagree  indigo32   Oct-01-03 04:07 PM   #52 
                       - False  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 04:27 PM   #54 
                          - Here's an example  indigo32   Oct-01-03 04:35 PM   #56 
                             - False  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 04:47 PM   #59 
                                - Pointless  indigo32   Oct-01-03 04:51 PM   #60 
                                   - Right, I said, what I said, not the words you put in my mouth.  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 05:01 PM   #61 
              - Dean has lied once (actually more, but who's counting)  Nicholas_J   Oct-01-03 02:53 PM   #50 
              - I trust Dean less than several of the other candidates  dpbrown   Oct-01-03 01:09 PM   #45 
              - New reinvent today: on international trade, adn labor standards  Nicholas_J   Oct-06-03 09:15 PM   #84 
  - How do you feel about "Executive Fitness" healthcare? (Clark)  RandomUser   Oct-01-03 05:19 AM   #32 
  - That sounds like a great plan  molly   Oct-01-03 06:49 AM   #34 
  - Sounds like a very interesting approach to containing cost  indigo32   Oct-01-03 08:27 AM   #35 
  - I suspect  RandomUser   Oct-01-03 09:10 AM   #38 
  - So the Government is going to Dictate how I'm to live?  LuminousX   Oct-01-03 09:21 AM   #39 
     - Probably not  RandomUser   Oct-01-03 10:42 AM   #40 
     - Make it a condition  Feanorcurufinwe   Oct-01-03 02:09 PM   #47 
        - Not good  LuminousX   Oct-01-03 04:12 PM   #53 
  - Maybe you should've saved some money. Why should I have to pay  deaniebopper   Oct-06-03 12:16 PM   #74 
     - Because you owe her as you owe all of our seniors  genius   Oct-06-03 05:11 PM   #75 
        - he got tombstoned genius  JohnKleeb   Oct-06-03 05:15 PM   #76 
           - "He got tombstoned"  indigo32   Oct-06-03 05:23 PM   #77 
              - Hear Hear  no name no slogan   Oct-06-03 05:26 PM   #78 
              - yes  JohnKleeb   Oct-06-03 05:28 PM   #79 
                 - Good call by the Mods  RandomUser   Oct-06-03 05:32 PM   #80 
                    - lol  JohnKleeb   Oct-06-03 05:34 PM   #81 
 

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