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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-03 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Dean backed Gingrich's plan in 1995
whether the figure applies to 1 year, or 7 years, the point is, Gingrich and Dean were on one side of this issue, Democrats like Bill Clinton were on the other. Clinton and the Democrats in Congress stood their ground, even shutting down the Federal government to do so AND WE WON!

The plan that Dean and Gingrich were in favor of was defeated.
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  -Dean cribs a page from the G.W. Bush playbook Feanorcurufinwe  Sep-26-03 02:46 PM   #0 
  - Wow, a compliment for Dean? Have you lost your way?  EagleEye   Sep-26-03 02:54 PM   #1 
  - So when Dean said Gephardt's charge regarding the $270 billion cut  Karmadillo   Sep-26-03 02:55 PM   #2 
  - Perhaps this will help...  Duder   Sep-26-03 02:58 PM   #3 
  - Thanks for this link!  deutsey   Sep-26-03 03:22 PM   #9 
  - Thanks for the link. I don't think the article justifies Dean's assertion  Karmadillo   Sep-27-03 12:02 AM   #83 
  - He must've meant he was lying in the Stephanopoulos interview  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 03:01 PM   #4 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-03 05:43 PM   #39 
  - Hell, I'm leaning Clark, but I feel like I have to defend Dean here.  boxster   Sep-26-03 03:07 PM   #5 
  - The point is he isn't being 'compared' to Gingrich -  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 03:18 PM   #7 
  - He pointed out the fact that Gingrich was implying  indigo32   Sep-26-03 03:32 PM   #11 
  - "Cutting the medicare growth rate isn't exactly Anti-Medicare."?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 03:45 PM   #13 
     - No it isn't  indigo32   Sep-26-03 04:38 PM   #25 
        - Less money for Medicare, but it's not a cut.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 04:50 PM   #28 
           - Cute  indigo32   Sep-26-03 05:00 PM   #29 
              - Just look back in the thread.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 05:24 PM   #31 
                 - in post 11  indigo32   Sep-26-03 05:36 PM   #35 
                    - As far as putting words in someone's mouth  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 05:50 PM   #44 
                       - And I maintain that  indigo32   Sep-26-03 06:00 PM   #48 
                          - He did agree with Gingrich, he did borrow a tactic from Bush  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:03 PM   #51 
                             - like I said before  indigo32   Sep-26-03 06:08 PM   #53 
                                - His intent was to inform the electorate about the real Howard Dean.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:14 PM   #55 
                                   - Whew  indigo32   Sep-26-03 06:19 PM   #58 
                                      - Once again, the argument is that repeating Dean's own words is a smear.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:26 PM   #60 
                                      - No, the arguement is  indigo32   Sep-26-03 06:28 PM   #61 
                                         - Just because you don't like the facts doesn't make repeating them a smear  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:32 PM   #62 
                                      - You do have to admit  kplongco   Sep-27-03 07:02 PM   #93 
                                         - On whose back will Dean do his balancing act?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-27-03 07:17 PM   #94 
  - I have to respectfully disagree.  boxster   Sep-26-03 04:00 PM   #17 
     - Straw man alert!  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 04:32 PM   #22 
        - Heh  indigo32   Sep-26-03 05:42 PM   #37 
        - Yes  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 05:56 PM   #46 
           - non sequiture  indigo32   Sep-26-03 06:00 PM   #49 
              - You'll have to elaborate if you want to get your point accross.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:11 PM   #54 
                 - Well considering  indigo32   Sep-26-03 06:17 PM   #56 
                    - Read the transcript. Gephardt pointed out Dean's policy position  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:22 PM   #59 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-03 05:43 PM   #40 
        - You're missing my point.  boxster   Sep-26-03 05:45 PM   #42 
           - Your argument seems to be  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 05:59 PM   #47 
              - Read my post again  boxster   Sep-26-03 06:44 PM   #63 
                 - Gephardt pointed out that Dean and Gingrich agreed on this issue.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 08:17 PM   #67 
                 - But he didn't!  Mairead   Sep-27-03 04:19 PM   #88 
  - You're aren't going to believe it, but I'm going to defend Dean, too  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 08:47 PM   #70 
  - This is bullshit  wtmusic   Sep-26-03 03:17 PM   #6 
  - Did you flunk elementary school math?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 03:21 PM   #8 
     - LOL yourself, I don't need lessons from you  wtmusic   Sep-26-03 03:22 PM   #10 
     - Except the 270 billion was not a one-year figure  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 03:37 PM   #12 
        - Just couldn't put a finger on it, huh?  wtmusic   Sep-26-03 03:46 PM   #14 
        - Dean backed Gingrich's plan in 1995  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 03:50 PM   #15 
           - I like how Liberal Oasis sums it up:  deutsey   Sep-26-03 03:59 PM   #16 
           - Dean on health care and social security  w4rma   Sep-26-03 04:10 PM   #19 
           - Instead of just posting a conclusion,  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 04:12 PM   #20 
              - Why don't you take a moment and read the article  indigo32   Sep-26-03 04:32 PM   #23 
              - Are unable to make the case?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 04:37 PM   #24 
                 - LOL  indigo32   Sep-26-03 04:40 PM   #26 
                    - Laugh if you want.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 04:48 PM   #27 
                       - Look  indigo32   Sep-26-03 05:02 PM   #30 
                          - Dean used the exact same tactic as Bush  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 05:26 PM   #32 
                             - And how would you describe  indigo32   Sep-26-03 05:30 PM   #33 
                                - Quoting Dean.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 05:34 PM   #34 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-03 05:45 PM   #41 
              - I've got better things to do  deutsey   Sep-26-03 08:14 PM   #66 
                 - I have read the article in its entirety.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 08:52 PM   #72 
                    - Do you intend to sway minds with your selective reading?  deutsey   Sep-26-03 08:58 PM   #73 
                       - There is nothing to debate.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 09:02 PM   #75 
                          - Again, here is the conclusion of the liberalaosis.com piece  deutsey   Sep-26-03 09:05 PM   #76 
                             - Dean supported the 7 year, $270 billion cut to Medicare that Gingrich  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 09:14 PM   #77 
                                - Good night!  deutsey   Sep-26-03 09:16 PM   #78 
                                   - Good night.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 09:26 PM   #79 
                                      - G'night  deutsey   Sep-26-03 09:27 PM   #80 
           - The plan called for cuts of $270 billion  wtmusic   Sep-26-03 04:08 PM   #18 
              - Medicare ends up with less money, yet somehow, it's not a 'cut'  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 04:18 PM   #21 
              - read what he said  kplongco   Sep-27-03 07:28 PM   #95 
        - That was a cut in the growth rate, not the program itself  poskonig   Sep-26-03 05:37 PM   #36 
           - Don't argue with the broken record...  AWD   Sep-26-03 05:46 PM   #43 
           - Yes, when they ignore your points as if they don't exist.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:01 PM   #50 
              - Yes, when they ignore your points as if they don't exist  indigo32   Sep-26-03 06:05 PM   #52 
                 - Is there a point of yours you are saying I'm ignoring? Let's hear it.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 06:17 PM   #57 
           - If Medicare ends up with less money, how is that not a cut?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 05:54 PM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-26-03 05:42 PM   #38 
  - The Iraq War is page 1 of the G.W. Bush playbook.  stickdog   Sep-26-03 07:32 PM   #64 
  - I guess what you are saying is, you can't refute the points made here  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 08:05 PM   #65 
     - What exactly was your point other than Bush once said something  stickdog   Sep-26-03 08:42 PM   #68 
        - My point is, Dean lied when he said "That is flat-out false"  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 09:00 PM   #74 
           - Gephardt lied through his teeth to make his duplicitous attack.  stickdog   Sep-26-03 09:44 PM   #81 
              - Let's examine it.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-26-03 10:01 PM   #82 
              - No lie: you just don't like the message  DemDogs   Sep-27-03 04:18 PM   #87 
                 - well said...  blm   Sep-27-03 05:55 PM   #90 
  - My head just exploded  Padraig18   Sep-26-03 08:43 PM   #69 
  - And if your head explodes with dark forebodings too  deutsey   Sep-26-03 08:48 PM   #71 
  - Who doesn't?  loyalsister   Sep-27-03 12:27 PM   #84 
  - What's deceptive about it?  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-27-03 03:12 PM   #85 
     - Back to the debate  loyalsister   Sep-27-03 04:10 PM   #86 
        - We've fleshed out the details, and they back Gephardt up.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-27-03 05:33 PM   #89 
           - The real straw man  loyalsister   Sep-27-03 06:16 PM   #91 
              - I beg to differ. Who's right and who's wrong do matter.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-27-03 06:37 PM   #92 
                 - lol  loyalsister   Sep-27-03 07:35 PM   #96 
  - How dare you compare Dean to George Bush!  Cocoa   Sep-27-03 10:03 PM   #97 
 

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