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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:05 AM
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12. I actually think Dean is the most electable
Here's why...Dean has brought so many new people into the process across the country, that as long as all Democrats vote for him, with those new voters, there's no way Bush can win. Dean's candidacy has created a whole new "base". It's not mostly liberal activists anymore. The only people who really believe he's not electable fail to realize how significant the change in the base is. It's NOT the "liberal base" that Dean is exciting and energizing. It's some of those, but it's mostly people who have never voted in primaries before and a lot who simply don't vote at all.

Yes, Dean tends to put his foot in his mouth, but he possesses the ability to gracefully remove it just as quickly. Every politician says and does things they shouldn't sometimes. That's to be expected. However, many of those same politicians don't have the same capacity to rise above it.

It's true that Vermont's political makeup is pretty unique. It's not about Vermont being more liberal than anyplace else, because it's really not. It's a case of our liberals being extremely loud and active and much, much further left than typical liberals. More than anything, Vermont is Independent and we live and let live. Bernie Sanders is popular because he started out in a community he was well known is and people like his personality and honesty. His policies and party affiliations has nothing to do with it.

The only way Bush can do any harm to Dean is if Dean acts like Bush has damaged him. He won't do that. Dean has more confidence than any of the other candidates and he is very courageous. He's framing the race the way he wants it and has everyone else scrambling to respond to what he does. That's what wins the confidence of voters.
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  -Three Things That Concern Me About Dean clar  Sep-17-03 07:30 AM   #0 
  - I tend to agree on all the counts you listed....  vi5   Sep-17-03 07:36 AM   #1 
  - I agree...  liberalmuse   Sep-17-03 07:43 AM   #2 
  - I'm most worried about the  Brucey   Sep-17-03 07:56 AM   #3 
  - Perhaps I'm a crank, but I believe Gore won the electoral college  deutsey   Sep-17-03 08:54 AM   #9 
     - You are correcto!  Brucey   Sep-17-03 09:00 AM   #11 
  - Here is my take on things....  liberalnurse   Sep-17-03 07:56 AM   #4 
  - My take on your take  AP   Sep-17-03 08:39 AM   #8 
  - Transferable skills?  BushGone04   Sep-17-03 08:54 AM   #10 
     - It is the skill that sells.....  liberalnurse   Sep-17-03 09:17 AM   #16 
        - Foreign policy as a former governor  BushGone04   Sep-17-03 09:31 AM   #18 
           - Foreign Policy is really not like rocket science.  liberalnurse   Sep-17-03 09:41 AM   #19 
           - It's not easy either  BushGone04   Sep-17-03 09:51 AM   #20 
           - Yes, it is!  MrPeepers   Sep-17-03 09:51 AM   #21 
              - As complicated as foreign policy can be  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 10:22 AM   #26 
              - Let's look at those guidelines  BushGone04   Sep-17-03 12:11 PM   #34 
                 - Ok, I'll grant you  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 12:29 PM   #36 
                    - I'd agree that...  BushGone04   Sep-17-03 08:18 PM   #62 
              - Foreign Policy most certainly has legs.....  liberalnurse   Sep-17-03 11:17 AM   #30 
                 - Will He Ask Gary Hart?  DrFunkenstein   Sep-17-03 12:02 PM   #33 
                 - Of course  MrPeepers   Sep-17-03 05:05 PM   #51 
           - Sorry, what was Clinton's debacle in Somalia again?  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 10:14 AM   #25 
              - The third one  BushGone04   Sep-17-03 12:24 PM   #35 
                 - That's a ridiculous point of view  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 12:34 PM   #37 
                    - No, it's not  BushGone04   Sep-17-03 01:31 PM   #43 
                       - I'd have to say that Liberia and Somalia are two entirely different cases  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 03:55 PM   #50 
  - I was listening to a speech by the author of that recent Kennedy book  AP   Sep-17-03 08:17 AM   #5 
  - Dean is a centrist and his progressive supporters know it and accept it  Larkspur   Sep-17-03 09:07 AM   #13 
  - This is an identity crisis, and not simply a refusal to be labeled  AP   Sep-17-03 09:17 AM   #15 
     - He said the same thing on Larry King live interview  Larkspur   Sep-17-03 09:57 AM   #23 
        - Why doesn't he want to define himself?  AP   Sep-17-03 12:55 PM   #39 
           - "liberal" and "conservative"  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 12:58 PM   #40 
              - That's lame. If true, Dean should run as the Pragmatist Party candidate  AP   Sep-17-03 06:53 PM   #56 
  - you're right Dean needs to be a centrist  jacksonian   Sep-17-03 09:16 AM   #14 
  - Clinton didn't live in the age of Kennedy, Kennedy didn't live  AP   Sep-17-03 09:22 AM   #17 
     - true, there's no age of anything  jacksonian   Sep-17-03 11:56 AM   #32 
        - What's so different about today and 96?  AP   Sep-17-03 01:00 PM   #41 
  - Some problems with that analysis  Mairead   Sep-17-03 10:22 AM   #27 
  - Counterpoints  Evil_Dewers   Sep-17-03 08:18 AM   #6 
  - All valid points  quinnox   Sep-17-03 08:38 AM   #7 
  - He's got too much money  clar   Sep-17-03 03:43 PM   #47 
  - I actually think Dean is the most electable  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-17-03 09:05 AM   #12 
  - I disagree.  MrPeepers   Sep-17-03 05:20 PM   #52 
  - Dean's new supporters  no name no slogan   Sep-17-03 11:12 PM   #63 
     - I have to disagree with this statement  Pavlovs DiOgie   Sep-17-03 11:29 PM   #64 
        - Yes, possibly, but  no name no slogan   Sep-17-03 11:41 PM   #65 
  - I disagree with 1, and 3 isn't a big one for me, but 2 bothers me  robbedvoter   Sep-17-03 09:52 AM   #22 
  - OK  DrGonzoLives   Sep-17-03 10:14 AM   #24 
  - He recovers from his gaffes because no one has run ads against him  blm   Sep-17-03 10:28 AM   #28 
  - That's because Dean's The Antichrist (TM)  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 10:33 AM   #29 
  - My Three Cents  DrFunkenstein   Sep-17-03 11:19 AM   #31 
  - You're kidding right?  dsc   Sep-17-03 03:19 PM   #46 
     - Sorry, I Meant Someone Going Up Against Dean  DrFunkenstein   Sep-17-03 07:11 PM   #59 
  - As for the military exemption...  Cassandra   Sep-17-03 12:41 PM   #38 
  - Response.  Fabio   Sep-17-03 01:08 PM   #42 
     - Nobody is saying he faked his health records  ProfessorPlum   Sep-17-03 03:19 PM   #45 
        - Not To Nitpick  DrFunkenstein   Sep-17-03 07:17 PM   #60 
  - I agree with your concerns and will  renie408   Sep-17-03 01:50 PM   #44 
  - That scenario is possible  clar   Sep-17-03 03:47 PM   #48 
     - Invested Monetarily As Well As Emotionally  DrFunkenstein   Sep-17-03 07:27 PM   #61 
  - I only really agree with 2 as being a possible problem  dsc   Sep-17-03 03:49 PM   #49 
  - I just don't see Dean  renie408   Sep-17-03 06:01 PM   #54 
     - I"d love to think that  clar   Sep-17-03 06:36 PM   #55 
     - Thanks  renie408   Sep-17-03 07:07 PM   #57 
     - Yes it was  dsc   Sep-17-03 07:11 PM   #58 
  - let me abate your fears  whirlygigspin   Sep-17-03 05:32 PM   #53 

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