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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-03 11:09 PM
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40. I don't want to disillusion you but Kerry's stance on I/P
isn't that progressive. I've been following, fighting this conflict for 5 years and I assure you of this. Kerry regularly receives a lot of money from AIPAC and is as cozy with them as most Dems. If you need quotes, here are a few:

Liberal apologists for Dean point out that the other major Democratic candidates for the 2004 presidential nomination Senators John Kerry, Joseph Lieberman and John Edwards and Congressman Dick Gephardt take similar positions on Israel and Palestine as does the former Vermont governor. Given that all four of them voted this past October to give President Bush the authority to unilaterally invade Iraq and are therefore even worse, so goes this argument, Dean should be supported despite his backing of Sharons occupation policies.

Many in the peace and human rights community may conclude, however, that any endorsement of Deans candidacy must be withheld as a means of pressuring him to back away from his support for the rightist Israeli government. Failing that, we may see large numbers of peace and human rights activists give up on the Democrats altogether and throw their support to the Green Party. ((Tinoire's note: No, no, no! There's still Kucinich even if he's not pro-Palestinian enough for some but at least he's even-handed!))

(April 15) - Last week, a day after the prime minister left Washington, a very successful demonstration of organized Jewish power in the US drew to a close.

AIPAC, the strongest political lobby in a town with hundreds of similar lobbies managed to bring numerous cabinet secretaries, senators, congressmen and administration officials to its policy conference. Many of these public figures vowed they would not abandon Israel in this difficult time, nor would they allow its capital to be divided, that they would oppose any cuts in assistance, and would never force Israel to capitulate to terror.

In a stirring speech, replete with quotations from the Bible, Vice President Al Gore reiterated statements to this effect. So did Newt Gingrich, Speaker of the House, and House Minority Leader Congressman Richard Gephardt, as well as Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts who plans to run against Al Gore for the Democratic candidacy for president.

Last week at the American Israel Policy Affairs Committee (AIPAC) national conference in Washington, D.C., Democratic and Republican leaders addressed the conference. All agreed that Arafat was wrong. However, if you read Associated Press articles or watched CNN broadcasts about AIPAC, then you only heard House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemn Arafat and the complacent American press that helps him wage war against the innocent. The press did not mention a word about the speeches from Vice President Al Gore, Sen. John Kerry (D Mass.) and House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), all of whom agreed with Netanyahu and Gingrich.

Earlier this month, both Democratic and Republican senators co-sponsored a bill to remember the 30th anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem. Names on the original proposal include Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), Alfonse DAmato (R.-N.Y.) and Jesse Helms (R.-N.C.).

How can our leaders on both sides of the aisle be wrong? When Democrats like Gore, Kerry and Gephardt agree with the likes of Gingrich, DAmato and Helms, it becomes clear who is right and who is mistaken.
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  -Troubling Article In The Voice About Dean's I/P Stance DrFunkenstein  Sep-02-03 02:55 PM   #0 
  - This could give you pause to re-examine your own perspective  Fredda Weinberg   Sep-02-03 03:03 PM   #1 
  - Believe Me, I'm No Stranger To The Conflict  DrFunkenstein   Sep-02-03 03:21 PM   #3 
  - Sorry no Democrat is going to run on  jiacinto   Sep-02-03 03:20 PM   #2 
  - Why Run To Opposite Extreme of Dean?  DrFunkenstein   Sep-02-03 03:27 PM   #6 
  - youch  ProfessorPlum   Sep-02-03 03:30 PM   #9 
  - You've got to look at Dean's goal more than what he has or hasn't said  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-02-03 06:06 PM   #19 
  - Then let him state directly here and now  Nicholas_J   Sep-03-03 04:29 PM   #77 
  - I don't want to disillusion you but Kerry's stance on I/P  Tinoire   Sep-02-03 11:09 PM   #40 
  - "Liberal apologists for Dean"  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 01:03 AM   #47 
     - I honestly don't know the details of Kerry's stance  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 03:41 AM   #51 
  - Wow.  LuminousX   Sep-03-03 11:49 AM   #64 
     - Dean: $1 Billion Should Be $4 Billion  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 06:04 PM   #80 
  - Kucinich comes damn close  mmm   Sep-02-03 03:36 PM   #11 
  - Yeah  jiacinto   Sep-02-03 05:06 PM   #14 
  - Kucinich is not anti-Zionist, he's anti-Likud, the ONLY one who is  Tinoire   Sep-02-03 07:45 PM   #31 
  - Peace is now "a pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli platform"?  Tinoire   Sep-02-03 08:06 PM   #34 
     - Hear about him getting the Gandhi award  JohnKleeb   Sep-02-03 09:43 PM   #36 
        - It looks like the blinders are coming off my friend! Kucinich #1 in Poll  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 12:58 AM   #43 
  - Is it just me  ProfessorPlum   Sep-02-03 03:23 PM   #4 
  - That Is Sharon's Actual Size  DrFunkenstein   Sep-02-03 03:31 PM   #10 
     - I thought so  ProfessorPlum   Sep-02-03 03:42 PM   #12 
        - That photo is not propaganda!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-02-03 05:59 PM   #18 
           - Does The Photo Really Concern You More Than The Actual Issue?  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 12:21 AM   #42 
              - Even though you didn't address this to me  dsc   Sep-03-03 12:00 PM   #67 
                 - I Acknowledge That Sharon Is Not 50 Feet Tall  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 04:26 PM   #76 
  - And this....  Flying_Pig   Sep-02-03 03:25 PM   #5 
  - I emailed  renie408   Sep-02-03 03:28 PM   #7 
  - See Post #6 Regarding Kerry's Difference  DrFunkenstein   Sep-02-03 03:29 PM   #8 
     - Thank you for pointing out the Kerry...  Flying_Pig   Sep-02-03 03:47 PM   #13 
        - Before you write your check, please also look at Dennis Kucinich's pos  Mairead   Sep-02-03 05:51 PM   #16 
           - true  JI7   Sep-02-03 06:16 PM   #20 
           - Dennis is very good, ....but  Flying_Pig   Sep-02-03 10:39 PM   #38 
              - Check out post #43 . Kucinich can win. IS WINNING with the people n/t  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 01:02 AM   #45 
  - I would like a citation for that picture  dsc   Sep-02-03 05:25 PM   #15 
  - Surely you knew this already?  Mairead   Sep-02-03 05:53 PM   #17 
     - What is this?  dsc   Sep-02-03 06:17 PM   #21 
        -  goodhue   Sep-02-03 06:28 PM   #22 
        - thanks  dsc   Sep-02-03 06:32 PM   #23 
           - What do you mean, is it a 'real photo'?  Mairead   Sep-02-03 06:48 PM   #26 
           - Yes that is precisely and exactly  dsc   Sep-02-03 07:26 PM   #28 
              - Well, how would any of us know?  Mairead   Sep-03-03 09:20 AM   #57 
                 - Then he has no business using it  dsc   Sep-03-03 11:55 AM   #66 
           - Sharon's Man?  goodhue   Sep-02-03 06:48 PM   #27 
              - Sorry  dsc   Sep-02-03 07:32 PM   #30 
              - Muslim Wake up launched  Nicholas_J   Sep-02-03 07:50 PM   #32 
        - Sorry, I put in the url...not thinking that DU would dereference it  Mairead   Sep-02-03 06:46 PM   #25 
  - Oh, that TIE, that is the final straw!  CoffeePlease1947   Sep-02-03 06:34 PM   #24 
  - just wondering  newsguyatl   Sep-02-03 07:29 PM   #29 
  - Sorry Guys, I Had To Drop Someone Off At The Airport  DrFunkenstein   Sep-02-03 08:00 PM   #33 
     - This Petition to Dean re Israel?  Tinoire   Sep-02-03 09:41 PM   #35 
     - I just signed this one!  Flying_Pig   Sep-02-03 10:49 PM   #39 
        - Thank you! n/t  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 12:59 AM   #44 
           - just signed it  JohnKleeb   Sep-03-03 01:02 AM   #46 
              - Thanks :)  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 03:47 AM   #52 
                 - Well you have to read a bio on DK to know that he has a jewish g/f  JohnKleeb   Sep-03-03 04:21 PM   #74 
     - I have a very specific question  dsc   Sep-02-03 10:02 PM   #37 
        - Are You Asking If They Met Or Is Sharon Really 50 ft. Tall?  DrFunkenstein   Sep-02-03 11:48 PM   #41 
        - Smart ass comments aside  dsc   Sep-03-03 09:18 AM   #55 
        - Of course its a photoshop cut and paste  Egnever   Sep-03-03 01:05 AM   #48 
           - Then he is lying everytime he uses it  dsc   Sep-03-03 09:19 AM   #56 
              - It has the only label it needs: its origin  Mairead   Sep-03-03 11:33 AM   #61 
                 - No it didn't  dsc   Sep-03-03 11:52 AM   #65 
                    - "Jimmied up photo"?  Mairead   Sep-03-03 12:24 PM   #69 
                       - Which is it?  dsc   Sep-03-03 12:40 PM   #70 
                          - I think you're out of line...  Mairead   Sep-03-03 03:28 PM   #71 
                             - The 40 ft snicker  dsc   Sep-03-03 03:47 PM   #72 
                                - Actually it was 50 ft, but that's a quibble  Mairead   Sep-03-03 04:18 PM   #73 
                                - dsc's question is fair  peaceandjustice   Sep-03-03 05:09 PM   #79 
                                   - My god thank you  dsc   Sep-03-03 08:14 PM   #84 
                                      - Don't breathe relief so quickly  Mairead   Sep-04-03 05:46 AM   #90 
                                         - We'll see what your standard is  dsc   Sep-04-03 02:47 PM   #96 
                                - And the photo does have a link!  Mairead   Sep-03-03 04:25 PM   #75 
                                - Jesus, I Was At The Friggin' Airport!  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 04:42 PM   #78 
                                   - I requested it two days earlier  dsc   Sep-03-03 08:07 PM   #83 
                                      - Why Do You Think This Is Some Sort Of Conspiracy?  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 08:30 PM   #85 
                                         - Why is posting a pictoral lie  dsc   Sep-03-03 08:59 PM   #86 
                                            - Tell Me If This Is Pictoral Truth  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 09:11 PM   #87 
                                               - If you took out the coffins  dsc   Sep-03-03 09:18 PM   #88 
                                                  - Are You Saying That Dean And Sharon Never Met?  DrFunkenstein   Sep-04-03 02:17 AM   #89 
                                                     - Yes he met with Sharon  dsc   Sep-04-03 07:24 PM   #97 
  - This was the first thing I looked into with Dean and I didn't like it  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 01:13 AM   #49 
  - New Republic Thinks This Is A Good Thing  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 01:29 AM   #50 
  - IMO, this article is right on  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 03:53 AM   #53 
     - I hope Dean doesn't prove himself unworthy of the movement  Karmadillo   Sep-03-03 09:41 AM   #58 
        - I hope you're wrong. I hope I'm wrong  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 10:04 AM   #59 
           - Tinoire  CWebster   Sep-03-03 10:24 AM   #60 
              - I hear you  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 11:35 AM   #62 
                 - Good enough  CWebster   Sep-03-03 11:48 AM   #63 
                    - You too  Tinoire   Sep-03-03 12:03 PM   #68 
  - What's good for the goose...  CWebster   Sep-03-03 06:26 AM   #54 
  - Sincerely  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 06:14 PM   #81 
     - Please..  CWebster   Sep-04-03 09:59 AM   #91 
        - You May Be Right  DrFunkenstein   Sep-04-03 11:56 AM   #92 
           - It was for that very quote  CWebster   Sep-04-03 01:04 PM   #93 
              - Kerry's Position Is Past, Dean's Is Future  DrFunkenstein   Sep-04-03 01:20 PM   #94 
                 - Rationalizations, Funk.  CWebster   Sep-04-03 01:54 PM   #95 
  - Just So This Doesn't Get Buried...  DrFunkenstein   Sep-03-03 06:24 PM   #82 

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