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Mon Aug-25-03 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #40 |
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regarding the politics of this issue. But how can you defend the argument that gun controls have the effect of "punishing" people for the crimes of others?
The point is to get guns, particularly automatic and high-powered guns, out of the hands of everyone except military and law-enforcement (and if anyone cares to bring up the resist-government argument, refer to post #39). NRA types talk about criminals having guns. Where do they get them? Do they just appear out of the air? Does being a "criminal" mean you can just snap your fingers and make a gun appear?
No. "Criminals" get guns where private citizens get them, or they get them from private citizens (buy, steal, or "borrow" a la Columbine). Cut off the source of guns and ammo for private citizens and you've cut off the source for criminals.
"People get drugs even though they're illegal." You can fit a million dollars worth of cocaine into a small briefcase. When you can fit a million dollars worth of guns and ammo into a small briefcase, I'll be ready to call the gun problem solved in this country.
Again, the political situation is a separate argument. The nominee, whoever it turns out to be, may need to soft-pedal the gun issue (although NO Democrat is going to get NRA support in the actual election!). But that doesn't change the rights and wrongs of it.
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| -Kerry receives 'F' from NRA Dean gets 'A' |
DJcairo |
Aug-25-03 08:45 PM |
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Go Kerry! |
LibertyChick |
Aug-25-03 08:50 PM |
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Old news |
Doomsayer13 |
Aug-25-03 08:50 PM |
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Since when do Dems support the NRA |
DJcairo |
Aug-25-03 08:57 PM |
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There was no need for Dean to pass any gun control laws... |
killbotfactory |
Aug-25-03 08:59 PM |
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It's not that we are happy that he gets the support of the NRA... |
uberotto |
Aug-25-03 09:10 PM |
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I never said I supported the NRA |
Doomsayer13 |
Aug-26-03 10:27 AM |
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Good reason for this hunter not to support Kerry. |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 08:52 PM |
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So what do you hunt with a AK ,AR or FLA |
bahrbearian |
Aug-25-03 08:56 PM |
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I don't support federal gun control |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 09:05 PM |
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Is your name Charlton Heston |
DJcairo |
Aug-25-03 09:08 PM |
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Is your name Pee Wee Herman? |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 09:12 PM |
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The biggest danger with guns |
mkregel |
Aug-25-03 09:32 PM |
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That's not gun control, though. |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 09:42 PM |
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So why is it the governments responsibilty to offer free gun classes |
bahrbearian |
Aug-25-03 09:52 PM |
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Speaking of Columbine... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 10:17 PM |
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What gun control? |
library_max |
Aug-25-03 10:22 PM |
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If my understanding is correct... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:03 AM |
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Just did the research |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 10:49 AM |
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Do you have a link? |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:20 PM |
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No link, sorry |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 04:35 PM |
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I just asked what you hunt with? |
bahrbearian |
Aug-25-03 09:40 PM |
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Oh please... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 09:50 PM |
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Excuse me |
JeniB |
Aug-25-03 09:53 PM |
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Concealed guns are legal here |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 10:00 PM |
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Cite, please |
slackmaster |
Aug-26-03 10:13 AM |
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I thought that was well known. I went and found an article talking about |
JeniB |
Aug-26-03 09:07 PM |
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I hunt and I don't need a assault weapon , |
bahrbearian |
Aug-25-03 09:59 PM |
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Funny thing about gun laws, |
library_max |
Aug-25-03 09:59 PM |
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No gun control stops gun crime period |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:12 AM |
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Do you have any evidence for that? |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 11:00 AM |
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Actually, I do... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:28 PM |
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Sorry for your loss |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 04:38 PM |
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I live In NC... |
renie408 |
Aug-26-03 02:31 AM |
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Gun safety would help prevent instances like that |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 03:13 AM |
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The frustrating part... |
renie408 |
Aug-26-03 08:17 AM |
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I understand your frustration |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:37 PM |
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The Dean people are proud of their NRA affiliation |
billbuckhead |
Aug-25-03 08:56 PM |
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Guess you'll be voting for Bush in 2004, then. |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 09:08 PM |
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Don't knock it. I got my Mr. Macho Repuke boss looking at Dean |
Demobrat |
Aug-25-03 09:35 PM |
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That's nice. |
killbotfactory |
Aug-25-03 08:56 PM |
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The gun issue is going to bite us in the ass... |
RoeBear |
Aug-25-03 09:12 PM |
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I don't want the "redneck" voters to stay at home. I want them to vote Dem |
w4rma |
Aug-25-03 09:18 PM |
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So why not say Dean should have voted for the war |
DJcairo |
Aug-25-03 09:21 PM |
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huh? |
JohnKleeb |
Aug-25-03 09:23 PM |
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Who said Dean supporters are predominantly liberals? |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 09:30 PM |
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Representation reflecting the population |
loyalsister |
Aug-25-03 10:23 PM |
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Bingo! |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:21 AM |
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Not only that.... |
loyalsister |
Aug-26-03 12:52 AM |
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Guns are HUGE in NH |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 01:09 AM |
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States rights is a winner |
loyalsister |
Aug-26-03 01:32 AM |
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Guns Are More Important Than Abortions |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 03:42 AM |
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They are for collecting, actually |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 04:04 AM |
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Casually excited? |
loyalsister |
Aug-26-03 04:34 AM |
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You're Ignoring The Issue |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 12:22 PM |
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urban centers bear the cost of rural "freedom"? |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:46 PM |
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If Urbanity Were The Problem |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 05:16 PM |
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Partners in crime |
loyalsister |
Aug-26-03 03:56 PM |
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It is my observation that DUers are divided on gun control |
w4rma |
Aug-25-03 09:56 PM |
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I can't believe I'm reading about Democrats selling out to the NRA! |
JeniB |
Aug-25-03 09:42 PM |
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What did Wesley Clark say about guns |
bahrbearian |
Aug-25-03 09:46 PM |
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Clark has a similar position to Dean's |
killbotfactory |
Aug-25-03 10:00 PM |
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Its disgraceful--all sellouts |
DJcairo |
Aug-25-03 09:53 PM |
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Dean didn't "sell out" to anyone |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-25-03 09:55 PM |
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Dean's position on early childhood intervention will save more lives.. |
killbotfactory |
Aug-25-03 10:04 PM |
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Yes, let's all bend over for Uncle Heston |
xequals |
Aug-26-03 11:08 AM |
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Iraq proves that the American citizenry should be armed |
ThorsteinVeblen |
Aug-25-03 09:47 PM |
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We Americans usually prefer the civilized way... |
JeniB |
Aug-25-03 09:50 PM |
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I agree totally |
bahrbearian |
Aug-25-03 10:04 PM |
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So let me get this straight. |
library_max |
Aug-25-03 10:06 PM |
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A "libertarian" stand on this will help Dean in the south... |
ConservativeDemocrat |
Aug-25-03 10:06 PM |
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You guys may have a point |
library_max |
Aug-25-03 10:18 PM |
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Black market and gun running |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 12:29 AM |
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Prohibition and drugs have nothing to do with it. |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 11:11 AM |
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What? Sorry, that post didn't make much sense |
KaraokeKarlton |
Aug-26-03 01:02 PM |
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One at a time. |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 04:49 PM |
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Why? |
lastliberalintexas |
Aug-26-03 08:10 AM |
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Reality check. |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 11:23 AM |
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Yes, but |
lastliberalintexas |
Aug-26-03 01:05 PM |
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Many of these points have already been answered in other posts. |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 04:59 PM |
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Henry David Thoreau |
LuminousX |
Aug-25-03 10:27 PM |
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Gun owners = toddlers |
renie408 |
Aug-26-03 02:48 AM |
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Toddlers who vote |
LuminousX |
Aug-26-03 06:24 AM |
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Well, actually... |
renie408 |
Aug-26-03 12:14 PM |
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A gun in Montana or Tennessee today |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 05:07 PM |
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contrary |
LuminousX |
Aug-26-03 09:36 PM |
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45 replies, and no one has posted his position on guns? |
dajabr |
Aug-26-03 12:03 AM |
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Good for Kerry |
genius |
Aug-26-03 01:17 AM |
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I Buy My Guns In Vermont To Sell To New Yorkers |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 02:17 AM |
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Quail hunting in Brooklyn? |
JohnKleeb |
Aug-26-03 02:19 AM |
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Kind of like 'shrooms... |
dajabr |
Aug-26-03 02:36 AM |
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Leave It Up To The States To Decide That |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 03:27 AM |
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I think your issue is with transport - not manufacturing? |
dajabr |
Aug-26-03 08:20 AM |
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Some Weapons Should Not Be Made At All |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 12:43 PM |
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Where I live (rural Maryland), Dean's stand wins people over |
deutsey |
Aug-26-03 06:16 AM |
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You found one of the reasons I find Dean more appealing than Kerry (n/t) |
Aaron |
Aug-26-03 06:39 AM |
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I posted this in another thread - the NRA is calling people |
molly |
Aug-26-03 07:38 AM |
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Maybe it was the "other" NRA. |
dajabr |
Aug-26-03 08:23 AM |
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NRA-lite Dean will be opposed |
xequals |
Aug-26-03 08:42 AM |
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See post #46... |
dajabr |
Aug-26-03 08:52 AM |
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Dean's rhetoric about guns being a "state's rights issue" |
xequals |
Aug-26-03 09:13 AM |
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Very well said. Vote for Kerry and his 0 rating from the NRA |
DJcairo |
Aug-26-03 10:35 AM |
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WTF are you talking about? |
molly |
Aug-26-03 09:00 AM |
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Kerry would get an "F" from me as well. |
Duder |
Aug-26-03 08:25 AM |
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Verrrry well said |
lastliberalintexas |
Aug-26-03 09:19 AM |
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Here's the link... |
Duder |
Aug-26-03 11:11 AM |
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Golly, what a load of "facts" |
library_max |
Aug-26-03 12:06 PM |
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So you think its okay the we can buy assault weapons |
DJcairo |
Aug-26-03 10:15 AM |
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Do you bother to read the posts here?? |
clar |
Aug-26-03 10:40 AM |
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OK, I'll make you a deal... |
dajabr |
Aug-26-03 10:53 AM |
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I agree with Dean... |
Duder |
Aug-26-03 11:17 AM |
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Checking Firearms At The City Limits? |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 12:50 PM |
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Your statement does not hold water |
slackmaster |
Aug-26-03 12:16 PM |
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Riddled With Logical Fallacies |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 01:07 PM |
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I would like to point out that |
Northwind |
Aug-26-03 10:58 AM |
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Please. Do You Really Think With The State of The Nation Today |
DrFunkenstein |
Aug-26-03 01:10 PM |
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Dean's gun ownership views mirror many American's views on |
polpilot |
Aug-26-03 12:34 PM |
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