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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #121
126. No spin from me, just the quote
"We had a case where a guy who was a rapist, a serial sex offender, was convicted, then was let out on what I would think and believe was a technicality, a new trial was ordered and the victim wouldn't come back and go through the second trial. And so the guy basically got time served, and he was the man who murdered a 15-year-old girl and raped her and then left her for dead and she was dead. So life without parole doesn't work either. If life without parole worked 100 percent of the time, there'd be no need for the death penalty because I agree with the bishop. Vengeance should never be a piece of this. As human beings, we all want to get revenge. That should never part of public policy, to get revenge, but the trouble is that life without parole is not perfect either and the victims in that case are 15- and 12-year-old girls. That is every bit as heinous as putting to death someone who didn't commit the crime."

http://www.msnbc.com/news/912159.asp?cp1=1


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  -Flamebait: Why is Dean willing to put innocent people to death? Feanorcurufinwe  Aug-12-03 02:06 PM   #0 
  - Your spine must be made of nerf  Northwind   Aug-12-03 02:10 PM   #1 
  - new trial was ordered...every bit as heinous as putting to death someone..  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:13 PM   #4 
     - I interpret it differently  ayeshahaqqiqa   Aug-12-03 02:30 PM   #14 
        - He is saying that winning a new trial on appeal is a 'technicality'  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:39 PM   #18 
           - Dean already stated that "legal technicalities"  blm   Aug-12-03 02:50 PM   #28 
           - Here's what Dean desires in judges:  blm   Aug-12-03 04:20 PM   #45 
              - Does Thomas Harthman  indigo32   Aug-14-03 09:21 PM   #83 
                 - It is described as a 1997 interview with the Vermont News Bureau  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 10:00 PM   #87 
           - He seems to be saying...  TN4Gore   Aug-14-03 10:48 PM   #88 
              - sigh, one more time, the quote:  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:08 PM   #90 
                 - Jebus, are we all having problems with reading comprehension in here?  Garage Queen   Aug-19-03 05:19 PM   #98 
                    - That certainly is a unique interpretation  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-19-03 05:31 PM   #99 
                       - I *did* look at all the words, but decided to boil it down  Garage Queen   Aug-20-03 07:21 AM   #100 
                          - I think people should read the whole quote and decide for themselves  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 09:39 AM   #102 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-20-03 12:43 PM   #121 
                                - No spin from me, just the quote  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-21-03 12:55 AM   #126 
  - That Bastard - String him up  ThorsteinVeblen   Aug-12-03 02:11 PM   #2 
  - That's not what he says.  bowens43   Aug-12-03 02:12 PM   #3 
  - What's a 'technicality'? another way of saying 'right to a fair trial'  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:14 PM   #5 
     - I am all for fair trails  cjbuchanan   Aug-12-03 02:26 PM   #10 
        - I'm willing to hear more facts on this particular case however  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:41 PM   #20 
  - Don't care for that position myself...  plindner   Aug-12-03 02:17 PM   #6 
  - I'm behind Dean  LuminousX   Aug-12-03 02:20 PM   #7 
     - The President appoints federal judges, including the Supreme Court  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:28 PM   #12 
        - So you are afraid Dean is going to appoint  LuminousX   Aug-12-03 03:55 PM   #41 
  - Why would anyone back a guy like that?  genius   Aug-12-03 02:20 PM   #8 
  - Neither  LuminousX   Aug-12-03 02:25 PM   #9 
  - Dean Supports the Killing of Children  LuminousX   Aug-12-03 02:27 PM   #11 
  - Then I assume you are for  dsc   Aug-12-03 02:28 PM   #13 
  - see post #16  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:36 PM   #17 
  - A weak flame...  Duder   Aug-12-03 02:30 PM   #15 
  - It's not about the death penalty, it's about due process.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:35 PM   #16 
  - Seems to me that's considered...  Duder   Aug-12-03 02:39 PM   #19 
  - Do you have a reference for that quote so we can put it in context?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:42 PM   #22 
     - I posted the link...  Duder   Aug-12-03 02:44 PM   #24 
        - OK  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 03:10 PM   #36 
  - I thought it was about:  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-12-03 02:41 PM   #21 
     - Yes, why is Dean willing to put innocent people to death rather than  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:43 PM   #23 
        - That isn't what he said  dsc   Aug-12-03 02:50 PM   #26 
        - Spin it however you want, here are his words:  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:53 PM   #29 
           - So if the facts are  dsc   Aug-12-03 02:59 PM   #31 
           - Let me get this straight -  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 03:05 PM   #33 
              - No I am not  dsc   Aug-12-03 03:16 PM   #37 
                 - How do you know who is innocent and who is guilty without a fair trial?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 03:20 PM   #38 
                    - Gee  dsc   Aug-12-03 03:31 PM   #39 
                       - It's really about a fundamental question of whether you believe  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 02:09 AM   #62 
                          - Wow nice bump and a wild boogieman too!  Egnever   Aug-14-03 02:31 AM   #63 
                             - See post #69  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:08 AM   #70 
           - Got it.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Aug-12-03 03:04 PM   #32 
           - Context, context, I know you hate it.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 03:09 PM   #35 
           - has it ever occurred to you that it might have been a TECHNICALITY  TN4Gore   Aug-14-03 11:03 PM   #89 
              - I don't believe our right to a fair trial is a mere technicality.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:11 PM   #91 
        - You are purposely twisting Dean's words  ima_sinnic   Aug-12-03 02:58 PM   #30 
           - I don't need to twist, all I have to do is quote:  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 03:07 PM   #34 
              - Dont you mean quote out of context?  Egnever   Aug-14-03 02:32 AM   #65 
                 - Did you not read it? Or are you purposely making a false statement?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:06 AM   #69 
  - "I believe the death penalty should be available for extreme and heinous  VoteClark   Aug-14-03 02:34 AM   #66 
  - Balderdash!  Booberdawg   Aug-12-03 02:47 PM   #25 
  - Right - 'someone guilty' who has won an appeal for a new trial  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 02:50 PM   #27 
     - Now you are changing your argument  Booberdawg   Aug-12-03 03:54 PM   #40 
        - Once again, I quote with full context:  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 04:07 PM   #42 
           - not even close to full context heres just some  Egnever   Aug-14-03 02:42 AM   #67 
              - See post #69  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:10 AM   #71 
  - all against death penalty here  JohnKleeb   Aug-12-03 04:12 PM   #43 
  - Does Kerry sound kind of sadistic?  Duder   Aug-12-03 04:17 PM   #44 
  - So is this a sign that you concede my point?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 04:22 PM   #46 
  - Not a sign at all but a question...  Duder   Aug-12-03 08:38 PM   #57 
     - You call that defending Dean's words?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 10:48 PM   #59 
        - No need to defend my candidate's words  Duder   Aug-13-03 09:08 AM   #60 
           - Ok, you agree with him? that's an honest position at least...  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-13-03 11:24 AM   #61 
              - Cheese Whiz...  Duder   Aug-14-03 11:24 AM   #72 
                 - Characterize it however you want. Thinking people will read Dean's words  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:35 AM   #74 
                    - And thinking people can read Kerry's words out of context  Duder   Aug-14-03 11:42 AM   #75 
                       - lol  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:48 AM   #76 
                          - lol  Duder   Aug-14-03 12:03 PM   #77 
                             - I hope people do read it.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 12:27 PM   #78 
  - I dont know he has different reasons for opposing it than I do  JohnKleeb   Aug-12-03 04:26 PM   #47 
     - I respect that viewpoint  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 04:41 PM   #48 
     - well good to see we agree  JohnKleeb   Aug-12-03 04:44 PM   #50 
        - Not to argue against my own guy but  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 04:54 PM   #52 
           - oops sorry  JohnKleeb   Aug-12-03 04:58 PM   #53 
     - It is a also racist and aimed at the lower class  genius   Aug-12-03 04:43 PM   #49 
        - Yes genius so much more bad about it  JohnKleeb   Aug-12-03 04:45 PM   #51 
        - Dean on the Death Penalty  gully   Aug-12-03 06:09 PM   #54 
           - It all depends on what your idea of scrupulousfairness is.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 07:32 PM   #55 
              - ROFL!  Egnever   Aug-14-03 02:51 AM   #68 
                 - Do you have more context to provide? I'd like to hear it.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 11:24 AM   #73 
  - Oh Goody  Le Taz Hot   Aug-12-03 08:18 PM   #56 
  - Quoting Dean qualifies as bashing him?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-12-03 09:31 PM   #58 
     - Yes, it does. Anything that man does or says is bashing himself  VoteClark   Aug-14-03 02:31 AM   #64 
        - And the Truth Shall Set You Free  genius   Aug-14-03 01:56 PM   #79 
  - I mentioned this on the other thread regarding Deans Conservativism  indigo32   Aug-14-03 08:50 PM   #80 
  - The President nominates judges to the Supreme Court  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 09:03 PM   #81 
     - I think you are overstating the case  indigo32   Aug-14-03 09:08 PM   #82 
     - I'm not saying that  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 09:36 PM   #85 
     - Just curious, did you vote for Al Gore?  Duder   Aug-14-03 09:28 PM   #84 
     - Al Gore isn't running for President  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-14-03 09:59 PM   #86 
        - Al Gore said on Nightline that he would consider a moritorium  genius   Aug-15-03 01:09 AM   #92 
     - The pendulum has swung too far to the right-wing on the rights  genius   Aug-19-03 12:41 PM   #93 
     - If Dean had been appointing justices, years ago, we never would  genius   Aug-21-03 02:29 PM   #130 
  - Because Dean is evil  ErasureAcer   Aug-19-03 12:54 PM   #94 
  - Ok.....  diamondsoul   Aug-19-03 01:09 PM   #95 
  - Here Dean is equating the death of an innocent girl  ProfessorPlum   Aug-19-03 01:46 PM   #96 
  - We the People are the ones executing the innocent person  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-19-03 05:01 PM   #97 
     - I know that there is no point responding to you.  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 08:29 AM   #101 
        - I don't think people need you to interpret for them.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 09:42 AM   #103 
           - brilliant counterargument, there, Sparky  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 09:49 AM   #104 
              - I can see why you want to turn this into spin and counterspin  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 10:28 AM   #105 
                 - there is no spin  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 10:32 AM   #106 
                    - spin - is when you explain what you think something means.  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 10:41 AM   #108 
                       - Yes and you are doing a poor job of it  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 10:57 AM   #110 
                          - Bottom line is,  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 11:14 AM   #113 
                             - Of course he is upset  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 12:01 PM   #116 
                                - It is false to say  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 12:21 PM   #120 
                                   - that is inaccurate  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 12:49 PM   #123 
                                      - As long as this stupid thread got bumped  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 03:13 PM   #125 
                                         - thanks for the kick, let's keep this thread on top where it belongs  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-21-03 12:56 AM   #127 
  - He's opposed to a right to a defense. He wants to streamline  genius   Aug-20-03 10:37 AM   #107 
  - You have got to be kidding me, 'genius'  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 10:51 AM   #109 
     - Dean: My view is that the justice system is not fair"  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 11:03 AM   #111 
        - Not those two same old articles from the Rutland Herald  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 11:09 AM   #112 
           - So the newspaper is part of the 'Dean bashing plot?' lol  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 11:17 AM   #114 
           - no, but those two articles  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 12:07 PM   #117 
              - Rutland Herald -Vermont's Pulitzer Prize newspaper  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-20-03 12:16 PM   #118 
                 - the articles, not  ProfessorPlum   Aug-20-03 12:19 PM   #119 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-20-03 12:45 PM   #122 
                    - Pulitzer prize winning newspaper - only credible when it praises Dean?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-21-03 12:58 AM   #128 
                       - True  Nicholas_J   Aug-21-03 05:25 PM   #133 
           - The evidence is there. Is the truth to hard for Deanies to swallow?  genius   Aug-20-03 11:22 AM   #115 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-20-03 03:03 PM   #124 
  - Are you trying to insinuate something?  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-21-03 01:06 AM   #129 
     - Why would you think that?  gratuitous   Aug-21-03 02:51 PM   #131 
        - Because I can read and understand English  Feanorcurufinwe   Aug-21-03 04:37 PM   #132 
           - Well, I haven't seen any evidence of that  gratuitous   Aug-21-03 06:32 PM   #135 
  - There, but by the grace of God, goes Howard Dean.  genius   Aug-21-03 06:05 PM   #134 
  - But that would never happen  kang   Aug-22-03 10:03 AM   #136 
  - It's the combination of his positions that are concerning people  Thomas Jefferson   Aug-26-03 07:46 PM   #137 
 

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