Feanorcurufinwe
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Wed Aug-20-03 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #104 |
| 105. I can see why you want to turn this into spin and counterspin |
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because that takes the focus off Dean's words. You can try to goad me by belittling me with nicknames but it's just childish. "We had a case where a guy who was a rapist, a serial sex offender, was convicted, then was let out on what I would think and believe was a technicality, a new trial was ordered and the victim wouldn't come back and go through the second trial. And so the guy basically got time served, and he was the man who murdered a 15-year-old girl and raped her and then left her for dead and she was dead. So life without parole doesn't work either. If life without parole worked 100 percent of the time, there'd be no need for the death penalty because I agree with the bishop. Vengeance should never be a piece of this. As human beings, we all want to get revenge. That should never part of public policy, to get revenge, but the trouble is that life without parole is not perfect either and the victims in that case are 15- and 12-year-old girls. That is every bit as heinous as putting to death someone who didn't commit the crime."
http://www.msnbc.com/news/912159.asp?cp1=1
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| -Flamebait: Why is Dean willing to put innocent people to death? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:06 PM |
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Your spine must be made of nerf |
Northwind |
Aug-12-03 02:10 PM |
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new trial was ordered...every bit as heinous as putting to death someone.. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:13 PM |
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I interpret it differently |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Aug-12-03 02:30 PM |
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He is saying that winning a new trial on appeal is a 'technicality' |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:39 PM |
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Dean already stated that "legal technicalities" |
blm |
Aug-12-03 02:50 PM |
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Here's what Dean desires in judges: |
blm |
Aug-12-03 04:20 PM |
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Does Thomas Harthman |
indigo32 |
Aug-14-03 09:21 PM |
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It is described as a 1997 interview with the Vermont News Bureau |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 10:00 PM |
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He seems to be saying... |
TN4Gore |
Aug-14-03 10:48 PM |
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sigh, one more time, the quote: |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:08 PM |
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Jebus, are we all having problems with reading comprehension in here? |
Garage Queen |
Aug-19-03 05:19 PM |
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That certainly is a unique interpretation |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-19-03 05:31 PM |
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I *did* look at all the words, but decided to boil it down |
Garage Queen |
Aug-20-03 07:21 AM |
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I think people should read the whole quote and decide for themselves |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 09:39 AM |
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Aug-20-03 12:43 PM |
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No spin from me, just the quote |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-21-03 12:55 AM |
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That Bastard - String him up |
ThorsteinVeblen |
Aug-12-03 02:11 PM |
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That's not what he says. |
bowens43 |
Aug-12-03 02:12 PM |
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What's a 'technicality'? another way of saying 'right to a fair trial' |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:14 PM |
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I am all for fair trails |
cjbuchanan |
Aug-12-03 02:26 PM |
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I'm willing to hear more facts on this particular case however |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:41 PM |
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Don't care for that position myself... |
plindner |
Aug-12-03 02:17 PM |
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I'm behind Dean |
LuminousX |
Aug-12-03 02:20 PM |
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The President appoints federal judges, including the Supreme Court |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:28 PM |
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So you are afraid Dean is going to appoint |
LuminousX |
Aug-12-03 03:55 PM |
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Why would anyone back a guy like that? |
genius |
Aug-12-03 02:20 PM |
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Neither |
LuminousX |
Aug-12-03 02:25 PM |
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Dean Supports the Killing of Children |
LuminousX |
Aug-12-03 02:27 PM |
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Then I assume you are for |
dsc |
Aug-12-03 02:28 PM |
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see post #16 |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:36 PM |
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A weak flame... |
Duder |
Aug-12-03 02:30 PM |
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It's not about the death penalty, it's about due process. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:35 PM |
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Seems to me that's considered... |
Duder |
Aug-12-03 02:39 PM |
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Do you have a reference for that quote so we can put it in context? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:42 PM |
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I posted the link... |
Duder |
Aug-12-03 02:44 PM |
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OK |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 03:10 PM |
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I thought it was about: |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Aug-12-03 02:41 PM |
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Yes, why is Dean willing to put innocent people to death rather than |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:43 PM |
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That isn't what he said |
dsc |
Aug-12-03 02:50 PM |
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Spin it however you want, here are his words: |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:53 PM |
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So if the facts are |
dsc |
Aug-12-03 02:59 PM |
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Let me get this straight - |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 03:05 PM |
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No I am not |
dsc |
Aug-12-03 03:16 PM |
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How do you know who is innocent and who is guilty without a fair trial? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 03:20 PM |
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Gee |
dsc |
Aug-12-03 03:31 PM |
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It's really about a fundamental question of whether you believe |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 02:09 AM |
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Wow nice bump and a wild boogieman too! |
Egnever |
Aug-14-03 02:31 AM |
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See post #69 |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:08 AM |
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Got it. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Aug-12-03 03:04 PM |
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Context, context, I know you hate it. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 03:09 PM |
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has it ever occurred to you that it might have been a TECHNICALITY |
TN4Gore |
Aug-14-03 11:03 PM |
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I don't believe our right to a fair trial is a mere technicality. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:11 PM |
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You are purposely twisting Dean's words |
ima_sinnic |
Aug-12-03 02:58 PM |
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I don't need to twist, all I have to do is quote: |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 03:07 PM |
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Dont you mean quote out of context? |
Egnever |
Aug-14-03 02:32 AM |
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Did you not read it? Or are you purposely making a false statement? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:06 AM |
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"I believe the death penalty should be available for extreme and heinous |
VoteClark |
Aug-14-03 02:34 AM |
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Balderdash! |
Booberdawg |
Aug-12-03 02:47 PM |
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Right - 'someone guilty' who has won an appeal for a new trial |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 02:50 PM |
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Now you are changing your argument |
Booberdawg |
Aug-12-03 03:54 PM |
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Once again, I quote with full context: |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 04:07 PM |
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not even close to full context heres just some |
Egnever |
Aug-14-03 02:42 AM |
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See post #69 |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:10 AM |
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all against death penalty here |
JohnKleeb |
Aug-12-03 04:12 PM |
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Does Kerry sound kind of sadistic? |
Duder |
Aug-12-03 04:17 PM |
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So is this a sign that you concede my point? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 04:22 PM |
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Not a sign at all but a question... |
Duder |
Aug-12-03 08:38 PM |
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You call that defending Dean's words? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 10:48 PM |
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No need to defend my candidate's words |
Duder |
Aug-13-03 09:08 AM |
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Ok, you agree with him? that's an honest position at least... |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-13-03 11:24 AM |
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Cheese Whiz... |
Duder |
Aug-14-03 11:24 AM |
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Characterize it however you want. Thinking people will read Dean's words |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:35 AM |
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And thinking people can read Kerry's words out of context |
Duder |
Aug-14-03 11:42 AM |
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lol |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:48 AM |
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lol |
Duder |
Aug-14-03 12:03 PM |
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I hope people do read it. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 12:27 PM |
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I dont know he has different reasons for opposing it than I do |
JohnKleeb |
Aug-12-03 04:26 PM |
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I respect that viewpoint |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 04:41 PM |
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well good to see we agree |
JohnKleeb |
Aug-12-03 04:44 PM |
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Not to argue against my own guy but |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 04:54 PM |
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oops sorry |
JohnKleeb |
Aug-12-03 04:58 PM |
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It is a also racist and aimed at the lower class |
genius |
Aug-12-03 04:43 PM |
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Yes genius so much more bad about it |
JohnKleeb |
Aug-12-03 04:45 PM |
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Dean on the Death Penalty |
gully |
Aug-12-03 06:09 PM |
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It all depends on what your idea of scrupulousfairness is. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 07:32 PM |
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ROFL! |
Egnever |
Aug-14-03 02:51 AM |
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Do you have more context to provide? I'd like to hear it. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 11:24 AM |
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Oh Goody |
Le Taz Hot |
Aug-12-03 08:18 PM |
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Quoting Dean qualifies as bashing him? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-12-03 09:31 PM |
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Yes, it does. Anything that man does or says is bashing himself |
VoteClark |
Aug-14-03 02:31 AM |
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And the Truth Shall Set You Free |
genius |
Aug-14-03 01:56 PM |
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I mentioned this on the other thread regarding Deans Conservativism |
indigo32 |
Aug-14-03 08:50 PM |
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The President nominates judges to the Supreme Court |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 09:03 PM |
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I think you are overstating the case |
indigo32 |
Aug-14-03 09:08 PM |
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I'm not saying that |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 09:36 PM |
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Just curious, did you vote for Al Gore? |
Duder |
Aug-14-03 09:28 PM |
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Al Gore isn't running for President |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-14-03 09:59 PM |
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Al Gore said on Nightline that he would consider a moritorium |
genius |
Aug-15-03 01:09 AM |
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The pendulum has swung too far to the right-wing on the rights |
genius |
Aug-19-03 12:41 PM |
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If Dean had been appointing justices, years ago, we never would |
genius |
Aug-21-03 02:29 PM |
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Because Dean is evil |
ErasureAcer |
Aug-19-03 12:54 PM |
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Ok..... |
diamondsoul |
Aug-19-03 01:09 PM |
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Here Dean is equating the death of an innocent girl |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-19-03 01:46 PM |
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We the People are the ones executing the innocent person |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-19-03 05:01 PM |
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I know that there is no point responding to you. |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 08:29 AM |
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I don't think people need you to interpret for them. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 09:42 AM |
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brilliant counterargument, there, Sparky |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 09:49 AM |
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I can see why you want to turn this into spin and counterspin |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 10:28 AM |
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there is no spin |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 10:32 AM |
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spin - is when you explain what you think something means. |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 10:41 AM |
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Yes and you are doing a poor job of it |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 10:57 AM |
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Bottom line is, |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 11:14 AM |
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Of course he is upset |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 12:01 PM |
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It is false to say |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 12:21 PM |
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that is inaccurate |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 12:49 PM |
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As long as this stupid thread got bumped |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 03:13 PM |
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thanks for the kick, let's keep this thread on top where it belongs |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-21-03 12:56 AM |
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He's opposed to a right to a defense. He wants to streamline |
genius |
Aug-20-03 10:37 AM |
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You have got to be kidding me, 'genius' |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 10:51 AM |
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Dean: “My view is that the justice system is not fair" |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 11:03 AM |
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Not those two same old articles from the Rutland Herald |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 11:09 AM |
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So the newspaper is part of the 'Dean bashing plot?' lol |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 11:17 AM |
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no, but those two articles |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 12:07 PM |
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Rutland Herald -Vermont's Pulitzer Prize newspaper |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-20-03 12:16 PM |
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the articles, not |
ProfessorPlum |
Aug-20-03 12:19 PM |
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Aug-20-03 12:45 PM |
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Pulitzer prize winning newspaper - only credible when it praises Dean? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-21-03 12:58 AM |
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True |
Nicholas_J |
Aug-21-03 05:25 PM |
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The evidence is there. Is the truth to hard for Deanies to swallow? |
genius |
Aug-20-03 11:22 AM |
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Aug-20-03 03:03 PM |
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Are you trying to insinuate something? |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-21-03 01:06 AM |
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Why would you think that? |
gratuitous |
Aug-21-03 02:51 PM |
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Because I can read and understand English |
Feanorcurufinwe |
Aug-21-03 04:37 PM |
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Well, I haven't seen any evidence of that |
gratuitous |
Aug-21-03 06:32 PM |
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There, but by the grace of God, goes Howard Dean. |
genius |
Aug-21-03 06:05 PM |
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But that would never happen |
kang |
Aug-22-03 10:03 AM |
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It's the combination of his positions that are concerning people |
Thomas Jefferson |
Aug-26-03 07:46 PM |
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