Amerigo Vespucci
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Mon Feb-14-11 08:59 AM
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| 37. That's absolutely true, and the challenge is... |
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Edited on Mon Feb-14-11 08:59 AM by Amerigo Vespucci
...if we choose to forgive, to somehow not provide an opportunity for people to do the same thing again in the future.
I have and acquaintance who is an alcoholic...it would be a real stretch to call him a "friend," because we simply have mutual acquaintances, and to be honest, I don;t really like this guy at all...who claims he has been sober for 17 years...but exhibits all the signs of "dry drunk" behavior. One little thing will set him off and he'll fly into a rage. He is always referencing AA and quoting their "principles" but when you witness his behavior you wonder if any of that helps. For some, I guess it does. For others, attending AA meetings becomes just one more form of addiction. I don't mean to minimize what the group accomplishes...I'm just saying that in my personal experience, whenever I have met someone in AA and gotten to known them for any length of time, I hear a lot of "AA-speak" but can see them still dragging all of their baggage along on the journey. The fact that they may or may not be actively drinking doesn't necessarily mean that they have been "healed." And if a person finds themselves in the crosshairs of someone like that, and they find themselves wronged, there is an excellent chance that being in that person's orbit in the future will increase the likelihood of a repeat performance.
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| -Do you forgive people who f*** you over and don't come within a mile of remorse or an apology? |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-13-11 06:02 PM |
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i have an odd place with forgiveness. people do things for all kinds of reason. |
seabeyond |
Feb-13-11 06:14 PM |
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Very interesting...I forget sometimes how our emotions are "permission-based"... |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-13-11 06:20 PM |
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Depends on what they did. Not all "damage can be repaired." nt |
Haole Girl |
Feb-13-11 06:23 PM |
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And I guess there's an additional layer to this as well that I hadn't considered... |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-13-11 06:30 PM |
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This forgiveness quote was... |
rbnyc |
Feb-13-11 07:01 PM |
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I hold grudges. |
Kali |
Feb-13-11 07:25 PM |
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I consider holding grudges to mean that you made a wise choice. |
Lisa0825 |
Feb-13-11 07:54 PM |
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As was once said |
hobbit709 |
Feb-13-11 10:09 PM |
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I rarely hold grudges |
Mojorabbit |
Feb-14-11 12:34 AM |
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I'm not convinced that people who do things "intentionally" are ever fully remorseful |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-14-11 12:16 PM |
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I don't spend one second thinking about them. |
cbdo2007 |
Feb-13-11 07:31 PM |
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As a general rule, no |
bluestateguy |
Feb-13-11 07:33 PM |
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Sometimes forgiveness comes easily, but more often it's extremely difficult |
solara |
Feb-13-11 07:36 PM |
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Forgiveness is what you do for yourself |
prolesunited |
Feb-13-11 07:59 PM |
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I was telling a friend that yesterday... |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-13-11 08:12 PM |
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Forgiving is good for your own peace of mind. |
Swede |
Feb-13-11 08:03 PM |
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"The acid of hate destroys the container" |
Patiod |
Feb-14-11 10:57 AM |
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Of course. If they show remorse or offer an apology, there's little need for forgiveness. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Feb-13-11 08:07 PM |
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I've never been one to hold a grudge... |
one_voice |
Feb-13-11 08:19 PM |
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Sure why not. |
RandomThoughts |
Feb-13-11 08:20 PM |
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You do exactly what works best for you. |
Demoiselle |
Feb-13-11 08:29 PM |
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i have, and can attest it's a stupid idea. if people don't show remorse |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Feb-13-11 08:37 PM |
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That's absolutely true, and the challenge is... |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-14-11 08:59 AM |
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It depends. I forgave my ex who abused me and he wasn't remorseful |
cali |
Feb-13-11 08:41 PM |
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No, but it really depends on what you mean by "forgiveness" |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-13-11 09:15 PM |
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I used to do that, |
Blue_In_AK |
Feb-13-11 10:05 PM |
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I'm usually very forgiving because I'm generally a happy person. I get angrier when |
pacalo |
Feb-13-11 11:47 PM |
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Sort of. |
Kat45 |
Feb-14-11 12:00 AM |
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eventually. sometimes it takes me awhile. but i usually don't forget |
orleans |
Feb-14-11 12:20 AM |
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"If a man is crossing a river and an empty boat collides with his own skiff, even though he be |
struggle4progress |
Feb-14-11 03:24 AM |
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I remember a similar thought, expressed far less eloquently... |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-14-11 07:52 AM |
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Other- I try not to waste time thinking about them, but I don't forgive |
old mark |
Feb-14-11 04:23 AM |
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Forgiveness is earned. Those without empathy don't deserve it. |
BlueIris |
Feb-14-11 07:57 AM |
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+1 |
WildEyedLiberal |
Feb-14-11 11:51 AM |
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it depends on whether i have to see them around. |
mopinko |
Feb-14-11 08:16 AM |
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I once asked a good friend / mentor (and former boss)... |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-14-11 08:50 AM |
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Sometimes. |
Orsino |
Feb-14-11 08:22 AM |
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The first one for me |
Crystal Clarity |
Feb-14-11 08:24 AM |
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If you forgive somebody, it doesn't mean you have to let them back in your life. |
raccoon |
Feb-14-11 08:39 AM |
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No. That is, I don't generally lower myself to their level to get revenge... |
LeftishBrit |
Feb-14-11 08:50 AM |
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It seems like "forgive" can mean many things |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-14-11 09:03 AM |
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wow. |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Feb-14-11 09:02 AM |
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No forgiveness (apology or not ) if it is something truly heinous.... nt |
Blasphemer |
Feb-14-11 10:54 AM |
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The ex-girlfirend. Wants to be forgiven. Wants me back. |
EnviroBat |
Feb-14-11 11:56 AM |
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Had an ex-girlfriend who, near the end of our relationship... |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Feb-14-11 12:10 PM |
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Yeah, mine up and went running back to her waste-of-life ex-husband, |
EnviroBat |
Feb-14-11 02:07 PM |
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Everyone holds grudges. |
Lucian |
Feb-14-11 12:22 PM |
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Forgive, yes; but if I've rescinded my trust, they'll have to work very hard |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Feb-14-11 02:22 PM |
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Where is the "Hell No" option here? n/t |
InvisibleTouch |
Feb-14-11 02:27 PM |
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Aw hell no. It's off to DTM'sville with those emmer-effers. |
Iggo |
Feb-14-11 02:32 PM |
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If I get an apology I fogive and if not I just let it go but I never forget |
lunatica |
Feb-14-11 04:06 PM |
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Why are you asking me about my family? |
Bucky |
Feb-14-11 04:35 PM |
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I'd rather forgive |
TuxedoKat |
Feb-14-11 05:17 PM |
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I have a nuanced answer. |
Moondog |
Feb-14-11 05:21 PM |
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This sounds terrible but I tend to live by |
TNLib |
Feb-14-11 06:24 PM |
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Hell no. |
BreweryYardRat |
Feb-14-11 06:48 PM |
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Forgiveness isn't about what the offender deserves. |
SOteric |
Feb-14-11 08:40 PM |
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Thank you, O Awesome One! These threads on forgiveness forever chap my ass |
Rabrrrrrr |
Feb-14-11 09:30 PM |
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+ 1000 and throw in a brazillion for good measure |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Feb-14-11 11:13 PM |
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Sorry to hear about your ass-chapping |
SOteric |
Feb-15-11 11:43 PM |
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They need forgiveness more than I need an apology |
Old Troop |
Feb-14-11 09:18 PM |
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Okay, fine, I'll SAY it: I'm sorry. |
Common Sense Party |
Feb-14-11 11:08 PM |
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Emotional bank account...the individual bankrupted it. |
fortyfeetunder |
Feb-14-11 11:30 PM |
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forgive |
dd2003 |
Feb-15-11 12:01 AM |
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I do not trust easily, or often, |
darkstar3 |
Feb-15-11 12:29 AM |
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That ass you are kicking today may be one you gotta kiss tomorrow. |
davsand |
Feb-15-11 01:00 PM |
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No I carry a grudge forever. |
ellenrr |
Feb-15-11 03:20 PM |
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Still waiting for ex-wifey to |
cheneyschernobyl |
Feb-15-11 08:49 PM |
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The problem with not forgiving is that it digs a hole in your own heart. |
grahamhgreen |
Feb-15-11 08:53 PM |
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Bad people are like defective furniture |
quakerboy |
Feb-16-11 01:03 AM |
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I read this on another forum, and it was very helpful to me: |
raccoon |
Feb-16-11 08:45 AM |
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I'm Sicilian-Irish. What do you think? :-) |
WinkyDink |
Feb-16-11 02:15 PM |
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