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15. Jewish origins?
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The "good luck" traditions of eating black eyed peas on New Year's Day are recorded in the Babylonian Talmud (compiled ~500 CE), Horayot 12A: "Abaye said, now that you have established that good-luck symbols avail, you should make it a habit to see Qara (bottle gourd), Rubiya (black-eyed peas, Arabic Lubiya), Kartei (leeks), Silka (either beets or spinach), and Tamrei (dates) on your table on the New Year." A parallel text in Kritot 5B states that one should eat these symbols of good luck. The accepted custom (Shulhan Aruh Orah Hayim 583:1, 16th century, the standard code of Jewish law and practice) is to eat the symbols. This custom is followed by Sephardi and Israeli Jews to this day. In the United States, the first Sephardi Jews arrived in Georgia in the 1730s and have lived there continuously since. The Jewish practice was apparently adopted by non-Jews around the time of the Civil War.
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  -do you do the "BLACK EYED PEAS" superstition on New Years Day? greenbriar  Dec-30-09 01:56 PM   #0 
  - I was going to skip it this year,  Blue_In_AK   Dec-30-09 02:02 PM   #1 
  - I'm Texan and don't do it anymore.  kentauros   Dec-30-09 04:18 PM   #18 
  - Make Texas Caviar - BEPs, cilantro, o&v, red onion, red sweet pepper. There you go. nt  Captain Hilts   Dec-31-09 01:11 PM   #63 
  - don't like black-eyed peas.  hobbit709   Dec-30-09 02:07 PM   #2 
  - Long ago  bikebloke   Dec-30-09 02:32 PM   #3 
  - Absolutely.  kaiden   Dec-30-09 03:02 PM   #4 
  - I like black eyed peas.  texanwitch   Dec-30-09 03:12 PM   #5 
  - Never heard of it. What's the origin?  Quantess   Dec-30-09 03:16 PM   #6 
  - I don't really know. I just know that for as long as I can remember  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 03:24 PM   #7 
     - One thing for sure, the more you eat, the gassier you'll be!  Quantess   Dec-30-09 03:43 PM   #11 
     - Try a little vinegar in your beans/peas  rebel with a cause   Dec-31-09 11:21 PM   #71 
        - Oh, good, just for taste I threw in a tiny splash of white basalmic vinegar  tonekat   Jan-01-10 01:08 PM   #76 
     - Nope, peas for luck, greens for wealth.  trof   Dec-30-09 04:04 PM   #14 
  - No  bigwillq   Dec-30-09 03:33 PM   #8 
  - thank you. I make a good ham and everyone loves my mashed  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 03:35 PM   #9 
     - You have an extra seat at the table?  bigwillq   Dec-30-09 03:37 PM   #10 
        - come on over  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 03:45 PM   #12 
  - Peas for luck, greens for money/wealth. You betcha!  trof   Dec-30-09 04:02 PM   #13 
  - oh I better get some greens then  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 04:16 PM   #17 
  - Yes, black-eyed peas for luck  susanr516   Dec-31-09 11:43 PM   #74 
  - Jewish origins?  trof   Dec-30-09 04:12 PM   #15 
  - I would assume they leave the ham out?  Sebastian Doyle   Dec-31-09 03:39 AM   #55 
  - Also...The yankees did it to us.  trof   Dec-30-09 04:13 PM   #16 
  - So, in other words, it has more to do with poverty and survival  kentauros   Dec-30-09 04:21 PM   #19 
     - Alas, many southern traditions have to do with poverty and survival.  trof   Dec-30-09 05:31 PM   #23 
        - I'm in/from the South, too  kentauros   Dec-30-09 05:39 PM   #28 
  - Of course!  El Supremo   Dec-30-09 04:22 PM   #20 
  - We do it because it's a tradition with us, not a superstition. Besides,  Arkansas Granny   Dec-30-09 04:23 PM   #21 
  - Same here. I'll have pork and collard greens, too.  Phentex   Dec-30-09 07:32 PM   #44 
  - Well, we are caught between the north and the south  rebel with a cause   Dec-31-09 11:05 PM   #67 
  - Hell yeah!  crispini   Dec-30-09 05:01 PM   #22 
  - Not so much the black eyed peas...But we are firm believers in pork products.  Demoiselle   Dec-30-09 05:32 PM   #24 
  - daughter's beau has German in their family and they do saurkraut  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 05:32 PM   #25 
  - 'Beau'. Haven't heard that term in a long time.  trof   Dec-30-09 05:40 PM   #29 
  - well, they are past the "boyfriend, girlfriend" thing but not quite engaged yet  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 05:48 PM   #32 
     - He's a rare and vanishing breed. And a keeper.  trof   Dec-31-09 05:50 PM   #66 
        - thanks. I think so  greenbriar   Jan-01-10 01:22 PM   #77 
  - Some people here do cabbage and corn beef on New Years day.  rebel with a cause   Dec-31-09 11:08 PM   #68 
  - I prefer the Eastern European tradition...  GoCubsGo   Dec-30-09 05:36 PM   #26 
  - Maybe I should make some lentil soup then  kentauros   Dec-30-09 05:40 PM   #30 
  - Pork and sauerkraut is traditional ethnic fare in western PA.  femmocrat   Dec-30-09 06:34 PM   #35 
     - Yep, ours was pork & sauerkraut too  BuelahWitch   Dec-30-09 06:57 PM   #38 
     - Dang, I was going to have chicken tomorrow.  rebel with a cause   Dec-31-09 11:14 PM   #70 
     - Daughters Beau is from Ohio and he says that is what they do  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 07:05 PM   #39 
     - It's a Polish thing.  GoCubsGo   Dec-30-09 07:20 PM   #41 
  - Yes  MilesColtrane   Dec-30-09 05:38 PM   #27 
  - can i come to your house?  caitxrawks   Dec-30-09 05:43 PM   #31 
  - sure come on over  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 05:50 PM   #33 
  - We always had blackeyed peas with coins mixed in, on New Yer's Day.  Fridays Child   Dec-30-09 06:05 PM   #34 
  - $$$ mixed in?????  Captain Hilts   Dec-31-09 08:52 AM   #59 
     - Yes, exactly. This is what our family did when I was little.  Fridays Child   Dec-31-09 12:45 PM   #61 
        - That's a riot, and we might have been more enthusiastic about eating them. Since then ...  Captain Hilts   Dec-31-09 01:10 PM   #62 
  - I HATE Blacked Eyed fucking Peas!  rcrush   Dec-30-09 06:52 PM   #36 
  - Maybe the dip recipe I have will change your mind about them.  GoCubsGo   Dec-30-09 07:32 PM   #43 
     - yum  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 07:46 PM   #46 
  - Yes  WolverineDG   Dec-30-09 06:54 PM   #37 
  - Yes, usually.  S n o w b a l l    Dec-30-09 07:08 PM   #40 
  - I strongly object to this important  ashling   Dec-30-09 07:21 PM   #42 
  - In the form of  TheCentepedeShoes   Dec-30-09 07:43 PM   #45 
  - Sort of, if you count the Yankee vegetarian version  yewberry   Dec-30-09 08:47 PM   #47 
  - Italians do lentils and cotechino--some of them.  vixengrl   Dec-30-09 10:43 PM   #48 
  - Oh yeah. nt  Captain Hilts   Dec-30-09 10:47 PM   #49 
  - No just some Smashing Pumpkins to start out  Wapsie B   Dec-30-09 10:48 PM   #50 
  - Pork, dumplings and sauerkraut for this Slav.  J-Lo Biafra   Dec-30-09 11:04 PM   #51 
  - how do you make your dumplings  greenbriar   Dec-30-09 11:09 PM   #52 
     - Usually just flour, water & salt,  J-Lo Biafra   Dec-30-09 11:12 PM   #53 
  - Scared not to  KT2000   Dec-31-09 12:50 AM   #54 
  - I grew up in the South so it's a must for me. I've never gone  Lindsey   Dec-31-09 04:39 AM   #56 
  - We do the PA Dutch version of this - any sort of pork dinner is supposed to be good luck  old mark   Dec-31-09 05:09 AM   #57 
  - Yup, will be making  Callalily   Dec-31-09 05:35 AM   #58 
  - I hate Boom Boom Pow but I like I Gotta Feeling  WilmywoodNCparalegal   Dec-31-09 09:04 AM   #60 
  - Perhaps listening to the Black Eyed Peas is a bit of a substitute.  Captain Hilts   Dec-31-09 01:12 PM   #64 
  - Peas for money and cabbage for luck  tammywammy   Dec-31-09 01:18 PM   #65 
  - collard greens, not cabbage  Lex   Dec-31-09 11:24 PM   #72 
  - Our neighbors have a big party for this tradition.  begin_within   Dec-31-09 11:13 PM   #69 
  - I bought mine today  blogslut   Dec-31-09 11:36 PM   #73 
  - how do you serve your turnip greens  greenbriar   Jan-01-10 10:37 AM   #75 
     - Sorry for the delayed response  blogslut   Jan-01-10 09:11 PM   #81 
        - sounds good  greenbriar   Jan-01-10 09:17 PM   #82 
  - BE peas, greens, ham, cornbread and buttermilk. God only knows  DevonRex   Jan-01-10 01:35 PM   #78 
  - hubby likes buttermilk  greenbriar   Jan-01-10 04:18 PM   #79 
  - well, it is all over  greenbriar   Jan-01-10 07:32 PM   #80 
 

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