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wysimdnwyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 10:17 AM
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49. It seems to me that you're condensing the time line too much
If you look at TNG, the utopian society is in full force, with few paid jobs and a largely socialistic economy (at least on Earth). In TOS, however, there's still quite a bit of the antagonism and capitalism associated with present society. Sure, they've made a lot of progress, but their society is still not what it will be in 100 years (TNG). Did Abrams take a lot of liberties? Surely. But it's not as bad as you make it out to be.

And as for Kirk himself, look at Shatner's version. Yes, it began in the '60s when misogyny was still pretty standard behavior, but his Kirk was macho, arrogant and uninhibited. He was, for the times, a "man's man". In this regard, I can completely buy into the rebellious teen and trouble-making young man that is Abrams' version of Kirk. If anything, I think Abrams did a great job of trying to make Kirk MORE like the Kirk from TOS and less like the aging father we see in the first seven movies.
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  -Ok so I watched that new Star Trek movie and I have this to ask... ** spoilers ** LynneSin  Dec-03-09 02:45 PM   #0 
  - sure, why not?  Flaxbee   Dec-03-09 03:13 PM   #1 
  - I'm not any kind of Trekkie, probably haven't seen the original series in years  LynneSin   Dec-03-09 03:17 PM   #3 
     - I've heard many rumors about the sequel, hopefully they'll  Flaxbee   Dec-03-09 03:20 PM   #5 
        - The death of Amanda, Spock's mother, needs some explaining, as she made an  Mist   Dec-03-09 07:08 PM   #23 
  - I would like to know how future Romulan managed to make that happen.  rcrush   Dec-03-09 03:15 PM   #2 
  - I thought about that  LynneSin   Dec-03-09 03:21 PM   #6 
     - Somehow Nero blowing up Kirk Sr's ship caused Uhura to fall in love with Spock at the academy.  rcrush   Dec-03-09 03:31 PM   #9 
     - You are right about the alternative universe.  rebel with a cause   Dec-03-09 09:01 PM   #37 
  - Butterfly wings  Dr. Strange   Dec-03-09 03:17 PM   #4 
  - This thread can't be said to exist until Deja Q posts about how much he hates the movie  Orrex   Dec-03-09 03:23 PM   #7 
  - I just read an interview with Ridley Scott.  Dr. Strange   Dec-03-09 03:40 PM   #10 
  - Maybe I won't wait until Xmas to give you your present.  Orrex   Dec-03-09 06:29 PM   #20 
     - It's a Festivus miracle!  Dr. Strange   Dec-03-09 09:44 PM   #40 
        - You know, that link went to the vid for the "accu" model.  Orrex   Dec-03-09 09:46 PM   #41 
  - If only Harlan Ellison had written it, Spock would've grabbed Uhura's breasts  PVnRT   Dec-03-09 04:28 PM   #14 
  - Teehehehehehe...  Deja Q   Dec-03-09 07:28 PM   #26 
  - By the way, did you watch it in the jury room?  Orrex   Dec-03-09 03:26 PM   #8 
  - Star Trek 2  pokerfan   Dec-03-09 03:40 PM   #11 
  - RODDEN BERREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!  sarge43   Dec-03-09 04:37 PM   #15 
  - LMAO  eShirl   Dec-03-09 07:35 PM   #29 
  - Remember the time line was changed.  sarge43   Dec-03-09 03:54 PM   #12 
  - Women got the short shrift in this film. Big Time. Black actors had some key roles,  Captain Hilts   Dec-03-09 03:55 PM   #13 
  - Abrams is already on the hot plate for not hewing to canon. Can you imagine  hedgehog   Dec-03-09 06:40 PM   #22 
  - New characters were introduced - such as the court martial panel - where it would have been nice  Captain Hilts   Dec-03-09 08:25 PM   #31 
  - Do you know that was Tyler Perry's first move that wasn't one of those 'Tyler Perry' movies he makes  LynneSin   Dec-03-09 11:41 PM   #43 
  - Because Abrams is creating a whole new different timeline because he's an uncreative shitbag  Rabrrrrrr   Dec-03-09 04:43 PM   #16 
  - And Casino Royale sucks for the same reason too, right?  Orrex   Dec-03-09 06:12 PM   #17 
  - Um - Casino Royale is a James Bond book/films  Rabrrrrrr   Dec-03-09 06:14 PM   #18 
  - Um... It's relevant because it's a reboot in a de facto alternate universe with ties to the "prime"  Orrex   Dec-03-09 06:22 PM   #19 
     - But Casino Royale was written by Ian Fleming.  wickerwoman   Dec-03-09 06:30 PM   #21 
     - I don't know...  Orrex   Dec-03-09 08:45 PM   #33 
        - My issue with Abrams' Trek  wickerwoman   Dec-03-09 09:03 PM   #38 
           - Abram's abandonment of Federation principles is my biggest gripe.  Kutjara   Dec-04-09 12:53 AM   #47 
              - It seems to me that you're condensing the time line too much  wysimdnwyg   Dec-04-09 10:17 AM   #49 
                 - But even in TOS.  wickerwoman   Dec-04-09 02:48 PM   #51 
                 - I can't believe I'm going to perpetuate this, but...  wysimdnwyg   Dec-04-09 03:47 PM   #52 
                 - You make interesting points.  Kutjara   Dec-04-09 05:54 PM   #53 
     - A partial reboot; given the silliness and jive nonsense that was too outlandish in the 1990s...  Deja Q   Dec-03-09 07:32 PM   #28 
     - Bond was rebooted because it was getting silly; rebooted back to what it WAS  Rabrrrrrr   Dec-03-09 08:08 PM   #30 
        - Bond was silly for a long, long time.  Orrex   Dec-03-09 08:31 PM   #32 
        - Yes, it was silly - that's why I said "partway through Moore's tenure"  Rabrrrrrr   Dec-03-09 11:37 PM   #42 
           - I think Brosnan was intended to be a blend of Dalton and Moore  pokerfan   Dec-04-09 09:43 AM   #48 
        - It helps that Daniel Craig is a grown man  DerekG   Dec-04-09 12:52 AM   #46 
  - No, that one actually has depth and thought put into it... not to mention,  Deja Q   Dec-03-09 07:30 PM   #27 
     - Don't mistake me--I really enjoyed Craig in the role and the film overall  Orrex   Dec-03-09 08:51 PM   #34 
  - Yes! I was waiting for you!  Deja Q   Dec-03-09 07:27 PM   #25 
  - I LOVE the rewrite, it ads a whole new dimension to the movie.  DainBramaged   Dec-03-09 07:16 PM   #24 
  - I didn't think anyone could kill the Star Trek franchise  MSchreader   Dec-03-09 08:53 PM   #35 
  - I downloaded a bootleg,  kentauros   Dec-03-09 08:58 PM   #36 
  - Yeah, but it had LENS FLARES!!!!!!  MilesColtrane   Dec-04-09 12:37 AM   #44 
  - Hey! How was the Punkin Chunkin championship? I didn't see you  madinmaryland   Dec-03-09 09:07 PM   #39 
  - That Star Wars clone ain't my idea of Trek  DerekG   Dec-04-09 12:50 AM   #45 
  - If nothing else...  LanternWaste   Dec-04-09 12:19 PM   #50 
  - Well, yeah. As you note, it's a history rewrite. (spoilers)  Orsino   Dec-04-09 07:09 PM   #54 
 

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