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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:57 PM
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5. Oh, good, it's not just me.
I've read plenty of the novels, and while I understand that they are not canon, JJ Abrams seems to take an awful lot of liberties with the Trek universe. Vulcan destroyed by an artificial black hole? Then what the hell is that planet in TOS??? Seems to me that if the entire planet with 6 billion Vulcans on it was sucked into an event horizon, it might have been mentioned at some point in the movies or in one of the TV serieses.

And there seemed to be an awful lot of plot holes in the story. And science holes.

I wonder what twisted logic they used to make this fit into the canon?
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  -Just came back from the new Star Trek film. (spoilers inside) Rabrrrrrr  May-08-09 06:26 PM   #0 
  - Not to be a total contrarion but  orestes   May-08-09 06:33 PM   #1 
  - Any Necked Women or Car Chases in it ??  BlueJazz   May-08-09 06:35 PM   #2 
  - There is a car chase  pokerfan   May-08-09 06:44 PM   #3 
  - a couple of almost naked ones, and yes, one car chase.  Rabrrrrrr   May-08-09 06:46 PM   #4 
  - There's some female underwear shots, yes.  krispos42   May-08-09 07:00 PM   #6 
  - Oh, good, it's not just me.  krispos42   May-08-09 06:57 PM   #5 
  - The twisted logic that was expressed in one of the last lines - it's an "alternate universe"  Rabrrrrrr   May-08-09 07:01 PM   #7 
  - Yeah, that Romulan thing was odd.  krispos42   May-08-09 07:44 PM   #22 
     - They still look like Vulcans  orestes   May-08-09 08:39 PM   #27 
     - Good point  krispos42   May-08-09 08:44 PM   #28 
     - Sounds like how they explained the difference in Klingons between the original series and movies/TNG  no name no slogan   May-09-09 06:51 PM   #77 
     - The tattoos didn't bother me. It fits Romulan lore.  Deja Q   May-10-09 07:18 AM   #104 
  - They don't. This is a new canon. Which, frankly I like.  Political Heretic   May-08-09 09:20 PM   #33 
     - Why couldn't this be a new sci-fi movie/series, without having to use the name & characters of Trek?  Deja Q   May-09-09 07:26 AM   #54 
        - I really don't care. I believe they are more than faithful to what is "core" in Star Trek  Political Heretic   May-09-09 07:37 AM   #58 
           - Guess what? I saw the film. And a lot of my worries were confirmed. BTW:  Deja Q   May-10-09 06:40 AM   #95 
  - Just saw it, and found it pretty darn good.  Noodleboy13   May-08-09 07:14 PM   #8 
  - I saw the same movie that you did  Sky Masterson   May-08-09 07:16 PM   #9 
  - I'm with you  orestes   May-08-09 07:29 PM   #14 
  - Yeah it was a really great addition, I love the cast and look forward to future films.  Political Heretic   May-08-09 09:15 PM   #32 
  - $5 matinee?  pokerfan   May-08-09 09:35 PM   #39 
  - They even had Kirk nail a green chick.  FVZA_Colonel   May-09-09 12:10 AM   #47 
     - Parody. I hated the catering to stereotypes. Nod-nod-wink 4th wall-breaking jokes are patronizing  Deja Q   May-10-09 07:14 AM   #103 
  - Ambivalence...  Deja Q   May-08-09 07:17 PM   #10 
  - I wish Q would have shown up 3/4 through and said, "Wait, this alternate reality is bullshit"  Rabrrrrrr   May-08-09 07:25 PM   #11 
     - !!!  Deja Q   May-10-09 11:08 AM   #109 
        - Just Shrubbie made Nixon saintly, so this Star Trek makes Nemesis look like Hamlet  Rabrrrrrr   May-10-09 12:20 PM   #114 
  - Roger Ebert didn't like it either.  sammythecat   May-08-09 07:26 PM   #12 
  - You might want to check rotten tomatoes. 195 reviews. 96% favorable.  Political Heretic   May-08-09 09:27 PM   #37 
     - And I have found the folks over there to be pretty tough on films.  Pacifist Patriot   May-09-09 06:47 AM   #52 
     - Oooh! The populist response! You know where the pied piper can go shove his flute.  Deja Q   May-10-09 06:41 AM   #96 
  - My friend just saw it....said it kind of sucked balls!  TK421   May-08-09 07:29 PM   #13 
  - Actually, if you're not a Trekkie  orestes   May-08-09 07:30 PM   #15 
     - Oh....they moved something there from the storyline, huh?  TK421   May-08-09 07:31 PM   #16 
     - It's more like  orestes   May-08-09 07:34 PM   #17 
        - Exactly.  Noodleboy13   May-08-09 07:40 PM   #20 
        - Does that mean  no name no slogan   May-09-09 06:55 PM   #81 
        - I'm gonna take that as a tentative "yes" but will look more into the background  TK421   May-08-09 07:43 PM   #21 
     - I'm a Trekkie  KatyMan   May-09-09 10:41 AM   #65 
        - another Trekkie here.  Dappleganger   May-09-09 11:13 PM   #90 
  - Movies have one purpose, to entertain you and ask you to simply suspend your disbelief  DainBramaged   May-08-09 07:38 PM   #18 
  - I'm sorry you can't make allowances for those of us who ARE passionate about art.  Rabrrrrrr   May-08-09 08:07 PM   #25 
  - Passion, save it for those you love.  DainBramaged   May-08-09 10:41 PM   #43 
  - Oh, I'm sorry - I have enough for a number of things, including the SO.  Rabrrrrrr   May-08-09 10:49 PM   #44 
  - Star trek has a lot of meaning to me, and I loved the film - so stop speaking for everyone  Political Heretic   May-09-09 08:41 PM   #85 
  - So when I put "Friends" in the big screen, I can make them all serial killers and hookers.  Deja Q   May-10-09 06:43 AM   #97 
  - Film makers explain continuity errors.  HiFructosePronSyrup   May-08-09 07:39 PM   #19 
  - As always...I will have your own review in my mind as I go to see this thing  TK421   May-08-09 07:47 PM   #23 
  - There was character development, but since it's all in aln alternate reality, it doesn't matter  Rabrrrrrr   May-08-09 08:10 PM   #26 
  - Odd, I rather liked it.  Redneck Socialist   May-08-09 08:02 PM   #24 
  - Loved it.  Pacifist Patriot   May-08-09 08:44 PM   #29 
  - I'm just intrigued that the "Shaun of the Dead" guy, Simon Pegg is playing Scotty  alphafemale   May-08-09 08:47 PM   #30 
  - He was great!  Political Heretic   May-08-09 09:25 PM   #36 
  - I liked him in "shaun"  alphafemale   May-09-09 03:33 PM   #69 
  - He's good.  Pacifist Patriot   May-09-09 06:48 AM   #53 
  - Yeah maybe NCC-90210 isn't going to be quite the trainwreck I feared it to be. nt  alphafemale   May-09-09 03:35 PM   #70 
     - LOL! That's exactly what I feared.  Pacifist Patriot   May-09-09 06:47 PM   #76 
  - Pegg was really good  Rob H.   May-09-09 10:38 PM   #88 
     - oooo-ooooh  alphafemale   May-10-09 02:30 AM   #93 
  - I just got back too, and as a lifelong fan of star trek I thought it was one of the best movies  Political Heretic   May-08-09 09:14 PM   #31 
  - I didn't know Hayden Christensen was in it.  baldguy   May-08-09 09:22 PM   #34 
  - That cartoon sort of sums it up nicely.  Political Heretic   May-08-09 09:23 PM   #35 
  - I worry, Rabrrrrr, about the way you keep your feelings all bottled up inside.  Critters2   May-08-09 09:29 PM   #38 
  - If he could just learn to express himself. nt  Skip Intro   May-08-09 10:41 PM   #42 
  - well, at least you didn't call him a  Tuesday Afternoon   May-08-09 10:15 PM   #40 
  - That would be a compliment. Abrams is a hack that thinks making everything generic and glossy is..  Deja Q   May-10-09 06:45 AM   #98 
     - and...  Tuesday Afternoon   May-10-09 09:23 AM   #106 
  - Well this uniform owning & wearing, totally self admitted trekker geek  Maiden England   May-08-09 10:32 PM   #41 
  - GET A LIFE!  edbermac   May-08-09 11:54 PM   #45 
  - I like this Shatner clip best:  kentauros   May-09-09 12:13 AM   #48 
  - Just so I'm clear on this  Orrex   May-08-09 11:59 PM   #46 
  - I thought it was great. In fact, I saw it twice.  GaYellowDawg   May-09-09 12:20 AM   #49 
  - Urban was just brilliant.  Pacifist Patriot   May-09-09 06:46 AM   #51 
     - Didn't know Karl Urban was McCoy -- LOVED him in LOTR  LostinVA   May-09-09 07:31 AM   #57 
     - I thought McCoy was a little forced. Too much "fan service"  Political Heretic   May-09-09 07:40 AM   #59 
     - His was the best performance I thought.  Mojambo   May-09-09 06:38 PM   #75 
  - love the 60s series and cast - hate everything wooden and techno-dull since  Adenoid_Hynkel   May-09-09 01:00 AM   #50 
  - I will give it a genuine chance then.  Deja Q   May-09-09 07:27 AM   #55 
  - "if you're the type who knows what every cardassian insignia from deep space nine looks like........  Political Heretic   May-09-09 07:42 AM   #60 
  - The Nokia and Budweiser product placements were far worse.  Deja Q   May-10-09 06:49 AM   #99 
     - All your comments in here are spot on. Especially about the ridiculous product placement.  Rabrrrrrr   May-10-09 12:15 PM   #113 
  - I'm a TOS fan through and through. Even wrote/edited a zine back when  NYCGirl   May-09-09 09:09 AM   #62 
  - I've had three HUGE Trekkies tell me they loved it  LostinVA   May-09-09 07:30 AM   #56 
  - I enjoyed the character development  rucky   May-09-09 07:42 AM   #61 
  - It was a fun  blogslut   May-09-09 09:32 AM   #63 
  - I wish I saw this post earlier so my reply would have a chance to be seen...  ReverendDeuce   May-09-09 10:14 AM   #64 
  - This new Star Trek movie must have reached God-dom status..  Tikki   May-09-09 11:18 AM   #66 
  - I'm just sick and tired of the whole "alternate universe" thing.  Coventina   May-09-09 11:19 AM   #67 
  - Just as I'm tired of the "massive amounts of death and destruction"  kentauros   May-09-09 05:03 PM   #71 
     - ITA: The "massive death and destruction" was way overdone.  Coventina   May-09-09 05:28 PM   #72 
     - That's true about the destruction of a planet not being new.  kentauros   May-09-09 05:50 PM   #73 
        - Exactly.  wickerwoman   May-10-09 02:54 PM   #116 
     - I think you're a little too quick to dismiss "all the rest"  Orrex   May-09-09 06:13 PM   #74 
     - Since when are films strictly "art"?  kentauros   May-09-09 06:53 PM   #78 
        - To what standard should a "communication medium" be held?  Orrex   May-09-09 07:46 PM   #83 
           - To the standard you put it in with your statement:  kentauros   May-09-09 09:29 PM   #87 
     - It's not supposed to be thought provoking in any way. See, consumers don't like to have to think.  Deja Q   May-10-09 06:53 AM   #100 
        - "Consuming" is part of what I'm getting at  kentauros   May-10-09 09:10 AM   #105 
  - It's like they put in all the good things about Trek...  Orsino   May-09-09 03:07 PM   #68 
  - I enjoyed it very much.  Mojambo   May-09-09 06:53 PM   #79 
  - 'Star Trek' fans blast new movie for being 'fun' and 'watchable'  wyldwolf   May-09-09 06:54 PM   #80 
  - That parody is dead on the money  Bryan   May-09-09 08:00 PM   #84 
  - BINGO. That is 100% accurate.  Political Heretic   May-09-09 08:44 PM   #86 
  - If they can "re-imagine" Battlestar Galactica, they can re-imagine Star Trek  no name no slogan   May-09-09 07:08 PM   #82 
  - This long-time Trekkie completely disagrees.  InvisibleTouch   May-09-09 10:55 PM   #89 
  - Roddenberry's inspiration helps keep me alive. And still does. THAT is why I'm upset.  Deja Q   May-10-09 07:07 AM   #101 
     - For my part, I had a moment at the very end...  InvisibleTouch   May-10-09 11:10 AM   #110 
  - I found the plot reboot refreshing. Being hated by the Trekkies is a sign that it's a good movie!  Odin2005   May-10-09 12:02 AM   #91 
  - re:  GaYellowDawg   May-10-09 12:35 AM   #92 
     - *Borg enters, stage left*  Odin2005   May-10-09 11:13 AM   #111 
  - And HOW many times has time travel been used as a plot device in Star Trek?  Alexander   May-10-09 03:21 AM   #94 
  - The time travel bit to explain the new timeline is one I liked. Sorry to disappoint everybody, but  Deja Q   May-10-09 07:11 AM   #102 
  - It has some clever tie-ins. **SPOILERS**  bikebloke   May-10-09 09:45 AM   #107 
  - Don't forget the product placement for Durex because now we have an audience that can use 'em...  Deja Q   May-10-09 11:05 AM   #108 
  - This thread needs a  no name no slogan   May-10-09 11:41 AM   #112 
     - A dumb cross-eyed jock yelling about nerds?  InvisibleTouch   May-10-09 12:22 PM   #115 

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