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sammythecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:32 PM
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21. I used to think it was just a lot of colorful excitement,
beautiful horses pampered by horse lovers.

All one needs to do is google "horse racing cruelty" to get a much different opinion. Anymore, I just figure if there's money and animals involved, it's 99% certain there is going to be abuse and cruelty involved too.
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  -Every argument I've had about horse racing being animal abuse has been locked; let's have another. Rabrrrrrr  May-04-08 08:39 PM   #0 
  - I hate it when you agree with me.  otherlander   May-04-08 08:42 PM   #1 
  - No you don't.  Rabrrrrrr   May-04-08 08:43 PM   #3 
  - How do you feel about horses dancing?  graywarrior   May-04-08 08:43 PM   #2 
  - It has all the artistic merit of 7 year olds doing synchronized swimming.  Rabrrrrrr   May-04-08 08:46 PM   #5 
  - *snort*  graywarrior   May-04-08 08:48 PM   #6 
  - I love dressage!  kentauros   May-05-08 09:53 AM   #38 
  - They haven't finished growing  skygazer   May-05-08 10:22 AM   #41 
     - I was referring to dressage horses  kentauros   May-05-08 10:30 AM   #43 
  - Dressage trainer here.  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 02:39 PM   #77 
     - Is it true that . . .  Brigid   May-05-08 05:32 PM   #93 
     - Lippizzanners do make excellent dressage horses!  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 07:43 PM   #109 
     - Thank you for your sane comments from a fellow rider and horse owner.  CottonBear   May-06-08 02:13 PM   #122 
  - OMG!!!  harmonicon   May-04-08 10:05 PM   #15 
  - I agree.  PelosiFan   May-04-08 08:44 PM   #4 
  - i have never understood the appeal of any animal racing.  chimpsrsmarter   May-04-08 08:55 PM   #7 
  - You'll get no argument from me.  auntAgonist   May-04-08 09:15 PM   #8 
  - I concur.  Shine   May-04-08 09:20 PM   #9 
  - I agree with you, and I don't see this thread getting locked any time soon.  mycritters2   May-04-08 09:28 PM   #10 
  - I'm sorry to have to disagree with you Rabrrrrrr, but I do.  SOteric   May-04-08 09:35 PM   #11 
  - What she said!!  lost-in-nj   May-04-08 09:51 PM   #13 
  - what she said --- except that I would add that  Tuesday Afternoon   May-04-08 10:16 PM   #17 
  - What she said. n/t  ceile   May-05-08 11:23 AM   #47 
  - Thank you for being sorry you disagree with me. All people should be so kind.  Rabrrrrrr   May-05-08 11:59 AM   #50 
  - You rock, SO. Even though I disagree with you. You're so nice, it's hard to do so.  Midlodemocrat   May-05-08 12:03 PM   #53 
  - Okay fucker, fine. Let's have at it!  flvegan   May-04-08 09:48 PM   #12 
  - No. Let's play: thermo-nuclear war.  petronius   May-06-08 07:15 PM   #132 
  - Add me to the chorus  hippywife   May-04-08 09:52 PM   #14 
  - IBTL (since your threads keep getting locked) n/t  orleans   May-04-08 10:13 PM   #16 
  - I agree  Fox Mulder   May-04-08 10:17 PM   #18 
  - yes  stuntcat   May-04-08 10:17 PM   #19 
  - Rabrrrrrr, how can I stop horse racing when I never started?  Robb   May-04-08 10:18 PM   #20 
  - Lay off the pasta or you WILL be Alerted on  KSinTX   May-05-08 10:08 AM   #40 
  - I used to think it was just a lot of colorful excitement,  sammythecat   May-04-08 10:32 PM   #21 
  - It just doesn't bother me  OmahaBlueDog   May-04-08 11:21 PM   #22 
  - Women: We kiss'em, love'em and fuck'em; why not beat'em, rape'em, and dominate'em?  sammythecat   May-06-08 04:55 PM   #124 
  - You won't get any disagreement from this house.  JackBeck   May-04-08 11:30 PM   #23 
  - Agreed.  huskerlaw   May-04-08 11:39 PM   #24 
  - It is abusive...I never race when I'm hoarse.  GoddessOfGuinness   May-04-08 11:48 PM   #25 
  - Rabrrrrrr, I thought you would be intereseted --  Tuesday Afternoon   May-05-08 06:45 AM   #26 
  - Not everybody is rich in the sport  turtlensue   May-05-08 07:35 AM   #27 
  - We should keep racing horses to keep the people involved employed?  PelosiFan   May-05-08 08:12 AM   #29 
  - unemployment is usually a bullshit argument  DS1   May-05-08 08:20 AM   #31 
  - Couldn't agree more.  PelosiFan   May-05-08 08:26 AM   #33 
  - I've been around these people  turtlensue   May-05-08 08:33 AM   #34 
  - Why does it matter if they enjoy it? If the end result is incredible cruelty towards the horses  PelosiFan   May-05-08 08:48 AM   #36 
  - Ok, so if we ban horse racing, what happens to the horses?  jakefrep   May-05-08 10:34 AM   #44 
     - Another bullshit argument. Let's keep hurting horses, because if we don't what will happen to them?  PelosiFan   May-05-08 10:51 AM   #45 
     - So if racing horses is "cruel", what CAN we do with them?  jakefrep   May-05-08 11:19 AM   #46 
        - I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to accept a free horse.  PelosiFan   May-05-08 12:07 PM   #54 
        - And if not, then what?  jakefrep   May-05-08 12:10 PM   #55 
        - It's a ludicrous argument. Keep abusing animals because you don't know what else to do with them.  PelosiFan   May-05-08 12:59 PM   #59 
        - Not nearly as ludicrous as your assertion that racing is abuse.  jakefrep   May-05-08 01:32 PM   #67 
           - Then we are at a point where we must agree to disagree.  PelosiFan   May-05-08 01:54 PM   #70 
        - So, you're admitting that the current owners of race horses wouldn't keep the horses  Rabrrrrrr   May-05-08 01:49 PM   #68 
           - Many of them wouldn't keep their horses if they weren't making enough money anymore.  LeftyMom   May-05-08 06:09 PM   #102 
        - No they wont  English Lady   May-05-08 07:14 PM   #107 
           - It's still no reason to continue to abuse them.  PelosiFan   May-05-08 07:24 PM   #108 
           - Racing a horse is not abuse  English Lady   May-06-08 11:31 AM   #118 
              - Horse racing is completely unnecessary. What's the point anyway?  PelosiFan   May-06-08 01:48 PM   #120 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-05-08 08:44 PM   #111 
        - If one were to take this argument seriously, we should never have switched  mycritters2   May-05-08 05:00 PM   #88 
           - I fail to see the logic in replacing one animal welfare problem with another  jakefrep   May-05-08 05:21 PM   #90 
              - Simply care for the ones that are being cared for now, and don't breed more.  mycritters2   May-05-08 05:26 PM   #91 
              - Ah, so we should NOT stop doing something unethical, because it might cost something.  Rabrrrrrr   May-05-08 05:30 PM   #92 
     - Yeah, let's abuse them here  StarryNite   May-05-08 02:06 PM   #72 
  - Then let them find work AT a summer camp  DS1   May-05-08 08:50 AM   #37 
  - But, dammit, ALL of humanity lost THE day we unemployed the town gaSLIGhters.  Rabrrrrrr   May-05-08 11:47 AM   #49 
  - I worked for a horse racing station  Sequoia   May-06-08 01:58 PM   #121 
  - Employment as an issue?  madinmaryland   May-05-08 10:22 AM   #42 
  - I'm saddened that we've happily allowed telephone operators to live in unemployed poverty,  Rabrrrrrr   May-05-08 11:43 AM   #48 
  - No, these people are practically poverty stricken  Midlodemocrat   May-05-08 12:01 PM   #51 
  - I agree  BarenakedLady   May-05-08 07:56 AM   #28 
  - If you want to say it's abuse, that's one thing...  DarkTirade   May-05-08 08:17 AM   #30 
  - Running animals to death and fighting them to death is different how? nt  mycritters2   May-05-08 05:03 PM   #89 
     - The purpose of a horse race is not to run an animal to death.  DarkTirade   May-05-08 05:53 PM   #95 
        - The death of a horse is what began this discussion.  mycritters2   May-05-08 06:02 PM   #97 
           - ... VROOOM.  DarkTirade   May-05-08 06:16 PM   #103 
              - So, some deaths bother you. Some don't. I got that point. nt  mycritters2   May-05-08 06:18 PM   #104 
                 - ... WTF? How exactly are you getting that from what I wrote?  DarkTirade   May-05-08 06:42 PM   #105 
  - I agree.  terrya   May-05-08 08:22 AM   #32 
  - horse racing is ok because it is primarily controlled by rich white people. nt.  IndianaJones   May-05-08 08:37 AM   #35 
  - If they whipped them more would they, maybe, run faster?  underpants   May-05-08 09:54 AM   #39 
  - Hey!! Can you keep this crap from GD out of teh lounge!!1!!  madinmaryland   May-05-08 12:02 PM   #52 
  - I'll see your "stop horse racing" and raise you  Book Lover   May-05-08 12:30 PM   #56 
  - Uh, oh.  Midlodemocrat   May-05-08 12:38 PM   #57 
  - I've got news for you, my dear.  Kajsa   May-05-08 01:15 PM   #63 
  - Yeah, right  Book Lover   May-05-08 01:29 PM   #66 
     - No collars, here.  Kajsa   May-05-08 03:17 PM   #83 
  - How about adopting them?  Kajsa   May-05-08 03:25 PM   #85 
  - Nope  Book Lover   May-05-08 03:40 PM   #86 
  - I almost agree  REP   May-05-08 06:07 PM   #99 
  - I breed and race Standardbreds...  two gun sid   May-05-08 12:39 PM   #58 
  - Dressage and combined training breeder and competitor here.  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 01:53 PM   #69 
     - No Bute allowed here either...  two gun sid   May-05-08 02:00 PM   #71 
  - I've done a 180 regarding this subject.  Kajsa   May-05-08 01:08 PM   #60 
  - The horses are treated well, as long as the potential to make money for  Midlodemocrat   May-05-08 01:14 PM   #62 
     - That's what concerns me, Midlo.  Kajsa   May-05-08 01:17 PM   #64 
        - I think most owners aren't abusive, but the inherent nature of a  Midlodemocrat   May-05-08 02:19 PM   #76 
           - They are different worlds.  Kajsa   May-05-08 03:21 PM   #84 
           - I think you've hit the nail on the head there.  DarkTirade   May-05-08 08:11 PM   #110 
  - Totally agree. Any thoughts about horseback riding in general? (nt)  HERVEPA   May-05-08 01:12 PM   #61 
  - I haven't followed any of the arguments on this  AchtungToddler   May-05-08 01:21 PM   #65 
  - I do think about the ethics of eating animals a lot as well.  Rabrrrrrr   May-05-08 02:09 PM   #73 
     - What the fuck kind of logic is this?  two gun sid   May-05-08 06:08 PM   #101 
     - I own competition horses, draft horses, and plan to use a pony for transport  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 09:03 PM   #112 
        - I don't think you can transgress a grey area. That's why we call it gray.  Rabrrrrrr   May-06-08 06:10 AM   #113 
           - But you're making value judgements all over the place  riderinthestorm   May-06-08 09:47 AM   #114 
  - What I don't get is: "This horse wants to win" ...  Westegg   May-05-08 02:11 PM   #74 
  - Or "That horse is giving everything it has!"  Rabrrrrrr   May-05-08 02:15 PM   #75 
  - Horses run fast because they want to run fast.  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 02:51 PM   #80 
     - I get the "running in a herd" thing...  Westegg   May-05-08 03:04 PM   #82 
        - Yes. Horses have the lead stallion and the boss mare  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 04:54 PM   #87 
           - Every damn day I learn something...  Westegg   May-06-08 02:20 PM   #123 
              - Man O War is buried at the Kentucky Horse Park...  two gun sid   May-06-08 05:16 PM   #126 
  - While not anthropomophizing, horses do have an instinctive desire to be the pack leader  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 02:46 PM   #79 
  - No it's not ludicrous  English Lady   May-05-08 05:58 PM   #96 
     - What am I eating for dinner? Tofu scramble (yum!), hash browns,  mycritters2   May-05-08 06:05 PM   #98 
     - My point should be obvious  English Lady   May-05-08 07:07 PM   #106 
        - That high school kid chose to run track.  mycritters2   May-06-08 11:26 AM   #117 
           - I know many kids in this small American town  English Lady   May-06-08 11:51 AM   #119 
     - Yes, the horses are racing too young  JoDog   May-06-08 11:07 AM   #116 
  - they race those horses while they are still considered toddlers in human years  Miss Carly   May-05-08 02:42 PM   #78 
  - This is true. I have huge problems with 2 yr old TBs racing. nt  riderinthestorm   May-05-08 02:53 PM   #81 
     - I have a huge problem with your misconception of two year old racing.  Old Broad   May-06-08 10:50 AM   #115 
        - I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.  riderinthestorm   May-06-08 06:45 PM   #128 
  - There have been too many tragic incidents lately,.  Brigid   May-05-08 05:35 PM   #94 
  - We're beating a dead horse - literally.  GOPisEvil   May-05-08 06:07 PM   #100 
  - Yay for breaking rules!!  turtlensue   May-06-08 05:01 PM   #125 
  - Where on DU does it say that having an opinion is against the rules?  Rabrrrrrr   May-06-08 05:18 PM   #127 
     - It isn't... but continuing a flamewar from a locked thread is.  DarkTirade   May-06-08 06:46 PM   #129 
        - The two threads that I was in that were locked, were locked at OP's request  Rabrrrrrr   May-06-08 06:56 PM   #130 
           - Maybe their idea of how hot a post has to be before it's a flame war is a bit lower than yours. :)  DarkTirade   May-06-08 07:01 PM   #131 
  - kicking this weakling runt of a creature back to the top while it's down  DS1   May-07-08 10:56 AM   #133 
     - Rabble-rouser.  BarenakedLady   May-07-08 11:00 AM   #134 
 

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