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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 12:53 PM
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43. Thanks for the link.
I agree banning something just because some farms use inhumane techniques is just a typical over-reaction. Go after the bad farms instead.
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  -Watch this movie and then ask yourself if Foie Gras is torture or not DS1  Oct-02-07 10:25 PM   #0 
  - It would be torture for me to eat foie gras  KitchenWitch   Oct-02-07 10:26 PM   #1 
  - Never had it, never tasted it, don't want it  DS1   Oct-02-07 10:28 PM   #2 
  - I'm on very slow dial-up and my monitor is failing so I'm not even trying  Kali   Oct-02-07 10:35 PM   #3 
  - Watch how the ducks react to the feeding  DS1   Oct-02-07 11:19 PM   #4 
     - That first farmer is pretty bad at handling his birds  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:13 PM   #37 
  - The liver is TEN TIMES the normal size  DS1   Oct-02-07 11:23 PM   #5 
  - It's not.  tofunut   Oct-02-07 11:47 PM   #9 
     - Enlarged, fatty liver is part of the natural migration cycle for ducks and geese  jgraz   Oct-02-07 11:54 PM   #13 
        - That particular enlarged, fatty liver isn't part of a natural migration cycle.  tofunut   Oct-03-07 12:07 AM   #14 
        - Which is why you need to know your source, just like any food product  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:14 AM   #17 
           - Force-feeding also isn't necessarily as kind as that video makes it out to be.  tofunut   Oct-03-07 12:27 AM   #19 
              - I agree with that. With any animal farming, there's potential for needless suffering  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:46 AM   #25 
        - then why do they force feed them?  ikhor   Oct-03-07 12:35 AM   #22 
           - Most responsible producers do not force feed  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:43 AM   #24 
           - It's less time-intensive, less seasonal, and cheaper.  tofunut   Oct-03-07 01:17 AM   #28 
              - Which is ultimately stupid and self-defeating for the farmers  jgraz   Oct-03-07 02:23 AM   #29 
  - I can't even watch stuff like that.  Fenris   Oct-02-07 11:30 PM   #6 
  - If you don't eat it, watch it anyway  DS1   Oct-02-07 11:37 PM   #7 
  - That exactly describes me too  nam78_two   Oct-03-07 12:12 AM   #16 
  - I'd suggest just skipping to the second half of the video  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:18 PM   #38 
  - Foie gras and veal are two things I can't eat because of the cruelty  LostinVA   Oct-02-07 11:41 PM   #8 
  - I know I wouldn't like foie gras, and just cannot bring myself to eat veal.  SeattleGirl   Oct-02-07 11:50 PM   #11 
  - You can get both of these without the cruelty that was there 10-20 years ago  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:55 AM   #27 
  - What's the difference between the cruelty of foie gras and veal  RebelOne   Oct-03-07 07:24 AM   #30 
  - thanks for posting this  idgiehkt   Oct-02-07 11:49 PM   #10 
  - Like any food product, you have to know your source  jgraz   Oct-02-07 11:52 PM   #12 
  - Yes, it IS different than other forms of meat  DS1   Oct-03-07 12:29 AM   #20 
     - What is your basis for deciding what's natural?  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:51 AM   #26 
        - eh, you better quit, you are making too much sense  Kali   Oct-03-07 10:39 AM   #32 
  - :-(-It is a horrible process for sure.nt  nam78_two   Oct-03-07 12:10 AM   #15 
  - Why "for sure"?  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:25 PM   #39 
  - I'm curious what your reaction was to the Spanish farm in the second half of the video  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:24 AM   #18 
  - Compared to the first half?  DS1   Oct-03-07 12:31 AM   #21 
     - No, just in general  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:38 AM   #23 
  - I don't need to watch no stinking movie to know that it's torture  LynneSin   Oct-03-07 07:50 AM   #31 
  - If you've ever fed a bird, this movie isn't that troubling  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:09 PM   #35 
  - I don't want to watch it.  redqueen   Oct-03-07 10:44 AM   #33 
  - I don't think I'll watch that....  SacredCow   Oct-03-07 10:48 AM   #34 
  - Wrong place  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:12 PM   #36 
  - I like Foie Gras but I'd like to try the Spanish free range version  cobalt1999   Oct-03-07 12:31 PM   #40 
  - Then you should check out these suppliers  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:42 PM   #41 
     - Thanks for the link.  cobalt1999   Oct-03-07 12:53 PM   #43 
     - Thank you for mentioning the Sonoma operation.  Shakespeare   Oct-03-07 12:59 PM   #45 
     - Yep...where's the bill to outlaw factory beef production in CA?  jgraz   Oct-03-07 01:04 PM   #49 
     - You should check out my post below.  flvegan   Oct-03-07 01:08 PM   #52 
        - No, doesn't change my mind. Those photos don't match what I saw with my own eyes.  Shakespeare   Oct-03-07 01:27 PM   #56 
           - I know somebody  flvegan   Oct-03-07 01:30 PM   #57 
           - Thanks for the update on this  jgraz   Oct-03-07 02:59 PM   #65 
              - You owe me a new keyboard.  flvegan   Oct-03-07 03:08 PM   #67 
           - Were you at the Stockton facility? Looks like fivegan has some new info  jgraz   Oct-03-07 02:57 PM   #64 
     - Too bad it's taking so damn long  LeftyMom   Oct-03-07 01:00 PM   #46 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-03-07 01:02 PM   #47 
     - Oh, bullshit.  flvegan   Oct-03-07 01:07 PM   #51 
        - If that video is truly Sonoma Farms, it's a very different picture from what I saw  jgraz   Oct-03-07 01:18 PM   #54 
           - Agreed.  flvegan   Oct-03-07 01:26 PM   #55 
              - I trust you on the Sonoma farm. Looks like they moved to Stockton since I was there.  jgraz   Oct-03-07 02:50 PM   #60 
                 - "Tough oversight is a lot easier to push through than outright bans."  nam78_two   Oct-03-07 03:02 PM   #66 
                    - The sad part is that cats and dogs (and birds) ARE subjected to this kind of treatment  jgraz   Oct-03-07 03:22 PM   #69 
                       - Oh definitely  nam78_two   Oct-03-07 03:43 PM   #70 
  - I couldn't watch the whole thing.  ThomCat   Oct-03-07 12:44 PM   #42 
  - Watch the whole thing and no, it's not torture  jgraz   Oct-03-07 12:57 PM   #44 
     - I think everyone should be aware that that video isn't the whole spectrum.  tofunut   Oct-03-07 01:30 PM   #58 
     - Hudson Valley is a notoriously bad producer. Looks like Sonoma Farms is following their lead  jgraz   Oct-03-07 02:55 PM   #63 
     - Crap, wrong spot again  jgraz   Oct-03-07 05:17 PM   #72 
  - That's it?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-03-07 01:03 PM   #48 
  - Some people have never been around a farm  jgraz   Oct-03-07 01:07 PM   #50 
     - Apparently.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-03-07 01:08 PM   #53 
  - that is sick!  LSK   Oct-03-07 01:36 PM   #59 
  - If foie gras is torture...  KamaAina   Oct-03-07 02:53 PM   #61 
  - I don't have to watch. I've never eaten it and never will  Beaverhausen   Oct-03-07 02:54 PM   #62 
  - Foie gras is very bad for you, for one thing, with all the cholesterol.  IntravenousDemilo   Oct-03-07 03:14 PM   #68 
  - I can't watch...  GoddessOfGuinness   Oct-03-07 03:46 PM   #71 
  - Examples of how birds are fed (with bonus Baby Bird Cuteness)  jgraz   Oct-03-07 05:17 PM   #73 
  - I love Foie Gras and always have.  GoneOffShore   Oct-05-07 11:27 AM   #74 

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