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Wed Oct-03-07 12:43 AM
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| 24. Most responsible producers do not force feed |
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But like anything, it's not black and white. There's a range of techniques from complete self-feeding, to supplemented feeding to all force fed. The first step is to eliminate the irresponsible farmers who are not treating the animals well.
My problem with the total ban approach is the same as my problem with total prohibitions on anything. It practically guarantees that only the worst producers will continue to operate.
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| -Watch this movie and then ask yourself if Foie Gras is torture or not |
DS1 |
Oct-02-07 10:25 PM |
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It would be torture for me to eat foie gras |
KitchenWitch |
Oct-02-07 10:26 PM |
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Never had it, never tasted it, don't want it |
DS1 |
Oct-02-07 10:28 PM |
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I'm on very slow dial-up and my monitor is failing so I'm not even trying |
Kali |
Oct-02-07 10:35 PM |
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Watch how the ducks react to the feeding |
DS1 |
Oct-02-07 11:19 PM |
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That first farmer is pretty bad at handling his birds |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:13 PM |
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The liver is TEN TIMES the normal size |
DS1 |
Oct-02-07 11:23 PM |
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It's not. |
tofunut |
Oct-02-07 11:47 PM |
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Enlarged, fatty liver is part of the natural migration cycle for ducks and geese |
jgraz |
Oct-02-07 11:54 PM |
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That particular enlarged, fatty liver isn't part of a natural migration cycle. |
tofunut |
Oct-03-07 12:07 AM |
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Which is why you need to know your source, just like any food product |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:14 AM |
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Force-feeding also isn't necessarily as kind as that video makes it out to be. |
tofunut |
Oct-03-07 12:27 AM |
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I agree with that. With any animal farming, there's potential for needless suffering |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:46 AM |
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then why do they force feed them? |
ikhor |
Oct-03-07 12:35 AM |
#22 |
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Most responsible producers do not force feed |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:43 AM |
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It's less time-intensive, less seasonal, and cheaper. |
tofunut |
Oct-03-07 01:17 AM |
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Which is ultimately stupid and self-defeating for the farmers |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 02:23 AM |
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I can't even watch stuff like that. |
Fenris |
Oct-02-07 11:30 PM |
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If you don't eat it, watch it anyway |
DS1 |
Oct-02-07 11:37 PM |
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That exactly describes me too |
nam78_two |
Oct-03-07 12:12 AM |
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I'd suggest just skipping to the second half of the video |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:18 PM |
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Foie gras and veal are two things I can't eat because of the cruelty |
LostinVA |
Oct-02-07 11:41 PM |
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I know I wouldn't like foie gras, and just cannot bring myself to eat veal. |
SeattleGirl |
Oct-02-07 11:50 PM |
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You can get both of these without the cruelty that was there 10-20 years ago |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:55 AM |
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What's the difference between the cruelty of foie gras and veal |
RebelOne |
Oct-03-07 07:24 AM |
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thanks for posting this |
idgiehkt |
Oct-02-07 11:49 PM |
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Like any food product, you have to know your source |
jgraz |
Oct-02-07 11:52 PM |
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Yes, it IS different than other forms of meat |
DS1 |
Oct-03-07 12:29 AM |
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What is your basis for deciding what's natural? |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:51 AM |
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eh, you better quit, you are making too much sense |
Kali |
Oct-03-07 10:39 AM |
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:-(-It is a horrible process for sure.nt |
nam78_two |
Oct-03-07 12:10 AM |
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Why "for sure"? |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:25 PM |
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I'm curious what your reaction was to the Spanish farm in the second half of the video |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:24 AM |
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Compared to the first half? |
DS1 |
Oct-03-07 12:31 AM |
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No, just in general |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:38 AM |
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I don't need to watch no stinking movie to know that it's torture |
LynneSin |
Oct-03-07 07:50 AM |
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If you've ever fed a bird, this movie isn't that troubling |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:09 PM |
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I don't want to watch it. |
redqueen |
Oct-03-07 10:44 AM |
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I don't think I'll watch that.... |
SacredCow |
Oct-03-07 10:48 AM |
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Wrong place |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:12 PM |
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I like Foie Gras but I'd like to try the Spanish free range version |
cobalt1999 |
Oct-03-07 12:31 PM |
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Then you should check out these suppliers |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:42 PM |
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Thanks for the link. |
cobalt1999 |
Oct-03-07 12:53 PM |
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Thank you for mentioning the Sonoma operation. |
Shakespeare |
Oct-03-07 12:59 PM |
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Yep...where's the bill to outlaw factory beef production in CA? |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 01:04 PM |
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You should check out my post below. |
flvegan |
Oct-03-07 01:08 PM |
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No, doesn't change my mind. Those photos don't match what I saw with my own eyes. |
Shakespeare |
Oct-03-07 01:27 PM |
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I know somebody |
flvegan |
Oct-03-07 01:30 PM |
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Thanks for the update on this |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 02:59 PM |
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You owe me a new keyboard. |
flvegan |
Oct-03-07 03:08 PM |
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Were you at the Stockton facility? Looks like fivegan has some new info |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 02:57 PM |
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Too bad it's taking so damn long |
LeftyMom |
Oct-03-07 01:00 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-03-07 01:02 PM |
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Oh, bullshit. |
flvegan |
Oct-03-07 01:07 PM |
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If that video is truly Sonoma Farms, it's a very different picture from what I saw |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 01:18 PM |
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Agreed. |
flvegan |
Oct-03-07 01:26 PM |
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I trust you on the Sonoma farm. Looks like they moved to Stockton since I was there. |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 02:50 PM |
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"Tough oversight is a lot easier to push through than outright bans." |
nam78_two |
Oct-03-07 03:02 PM |
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The sad part is that cats and dogs (and birds) ARE subjected to this kind of treatment |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 03:22 PM |
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Oh definitely |
nam78_two |
Oct-03-07 03:43 PM |
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I couldn't watch the whole thing. |
ThomCat |
Oct-03-07 12:44 PM |
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Watch the whole thing and no, it's not torture |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 12:57 PM |
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I think everyone should be aware that that video isn't the whole spectrum. |
tofunut |
Oct-03-07 01:30 PM |
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Hudson Valley is a notoriously bad producer. Looks like Sonoma Farms is following their lead |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 02:55 PM |
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Crap, wrong spot again |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 05:17 PM |
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That's it? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Oct-03-07 01:03 PM |
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Some people have never been around a farm |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 01:07 PM |
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Apparently. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Oct-03-07 01:08 PM |
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that is sick! |
LSK |
Oct-03-07 01:36 PM |
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If foie gras is torture... |
KamaAina |
Oct-03-07 02:53 PM |
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I don't have to watch. I've never eaten it and never will |
Beaverhausen |
Oct-03-07 02:54 PM |
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Foie gras is very bad for you, for one thing, with all the cholesterol. |
IntravenousDemilo |
Oct-03-07 03:14 PM |
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I can't watch... |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Oct-03-07 03:46 PM |
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Examples of how birds are fed (with bonus Baby Bird Cuteness) |
jgraz |
Oct-03-07 05:17 PM |
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I love Foie Gras and always have. |
GoneOffShore |
Oct-05-07 11:27 AM |
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