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Mon Sep-03-07 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #7 |
| 37. He is the problem, not her... |
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She needs to focus on the problem at hand which is him and his anger and not knowing what the situation is I nonetheless would recommend a "tough love" approach to force him to get help. And that is a "tough love" approach with herself as well. If she has the financial ability to do so, she needs to continue to carry him but herself as well along with the children in a separate living arrangement and tell him unless he gets help she will seek a permanent separation. It might work. It might not. If it doesn't work, at least she is not living with him. And she needs to make sure he does not know where she is living which is always rule number one. Rule number two is to make sure the children don't tell him. If it is not feasible, she needs to stay with someone else. If not you, a friend perhaps. Preferably, again, somewhere that he doesn't know where she is. But she really must not stay there once she lays the "get help or else" card on the table.
Many women act out of fear, and wisely, but also then create a secondary problem with stalking behavior in addition to the abusive and/or violent behavior. She must simply take control and keep contol of the situation to protect herself and the children.
As both a stalking victim and an advocate I can guarantee you that no restraining order is going to stop him if he starts stalking her. Many victims of domestic abuse/violence end up with a restraining order against a stalker and then end up in family law court with ordered visitation which only allows the stalking and the cycle of abuse/violence to continue, often through the children. What the law says and what the law does are two different things. As an attorney, she probably knows that better than anyone. She feels shame? There is no shame in trying to help him. But she also needs to help herself as well in the process by protecting herself and her children. That everyone here agrees on.
Why assume she is attracted to dysfunctional and abusive men and therefore is dysfunctional herself? Maybe she's just a nice person and they're attracted to her. Because she's a nice person. Nice people make the best victims. And sometimes victims are just victims. Not volunteers.
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| -Looking for some insight on a possibly abusive relationship. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:12 PM |
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If he is throwing things in the house, she needs to get the hell out. |
A HERETIC I AM |
Sep-03-07 10:17 PM |
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Yes, that is really what I think, too. And he throws things on a regular basis. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:18 PM |
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I wish there were an easy answer. |
PDJane |
Sep-03-07 10:26 PM |
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My neighbor was badly beaten by her first husband for a couple of years. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:29 PM |
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I know there are many women on this board that can speak from either experience or a professional |
A HERETIC I AM |
Sep-03-07 10:31 PM |
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It happens with guys too; |
PDJane |
Sep-03-07 10:54 PM |
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This is an abusive relationship, and it is very likely to escalate. |
yardwork |
Sep-03-07 10:19 PM |
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It's my sister. She is financially independent. His business just tanked, so she is carrying him. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:22 PM |
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If it is your sister, I would venture to guess... |
A HERETIC I AM |
Sep-03-07 10:37 PM |
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My 'relative' in post 23 was my brother |
Mind_your_head |
Sep-03-07 10:48 PM |
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Is he abusing any substances? |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
Sep-03-07 11:24 PM |
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If he's making her responsible for his raging, there's a problem. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-03-07 10:20 PM |
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I'm really scared. I am so glad she told me last night, but I couldn't sleep a wink afterwards. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:23 PM |
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If you want to help her, YOU have to keep your head |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-03-07 10:56 PM |
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She needs to find out why she is accepting an abusive man |
DemGa |
Sep-03-07 10:23 PM |
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This is her second go around. The first one was verbally and mentally abusive. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:26 PM |
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See the earlier answer. |
PDJane |
Sep-03-07 10:28 PM |
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He is the problem, not her... |
Baby Snooks |
Sep-03-07 11:23 PM |
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Abusers like nothing better than to find a kindhearted person |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-04-07 08:55 PM |
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Unless she gets some services of a mental health practioner |
Stargazer99 |
Sep-03-07 10:27 PM |
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I also think she is dealing with shame. She is ashamed of his actions and would be mortified if her |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:31 PM |
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Domestic violence effects all income levels and professions |
yardwork |
Sep-04-07 12:46 AM |
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She's an attorney???? |
idgiehkt |
Sep-04-07 06:18 PM |
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Yes, but surely you recognize that abuse crosses all income and education levels. |
Beausoir |
Sep-04-07 08:32 PM |
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I didn't say it made her immune |
idgiehkt |
Sep-04-07 08:34 PM |
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Okay....I understand your point. |
Beausoir |
Sep-04-07 08:39 PM |
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Sounds very unhealthy... |
ljm2002 |
Sep-03-07 10:31 PM |
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Sound advice. I will take it to heart. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 10:33 PM |
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"He says it is because she treats him poorly" |
flvegan |
Sep-03-07 10:33 PM |
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You are powerless in this situation. |
seriousstan |
Sep-03-07 10:40 PM |
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Beausoir, go get her and the kids |
JulieRB |
Sep-03-07 10:40 PM |
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It has to be done very carefully if that's the plan. |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-03-07 10:52 PM |
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¡Peligro! |
Swamp Rat |
Sep-03-07 10:58 PM |
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Yes. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Sep-03-07 10:59 PM |
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sfexpat, absolutely |
JulieRB |
Sep-04-07 01:16 AM |
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I can't do that. She is not ready. Nowhere near ready to leave. She says she "adores" him. |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 11:52 PM |
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Maybe you can appeal to her sense of responsibility |
BlackVelvet04 |
Sep-04-07 12:11 AM |
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How can she adore a man who's berating and belittling her children? |
JulieRB |
Sep-04-07 01:18 AM |
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If there is a Safe Passage tell her to go there |
seemslikeadream |
Sep-03-07 10:43 PM |
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Denigrating children is inexcusable. Period. She need out. nt |
Colorado Progressive |
Sep-03-07 10:43 PM |
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Check this out |
Baby Snooks |
Sep-03-07 10:43 PM |
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Denigrating her kids is reason enough for her to get out & leave |
Mind_your_head |
Sep-03-07 10:44 PM |
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He might never hurt her but he's denigrating her kids, |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-03-07 10:49 PM |
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Please ask her the question my therapist asked me (before I filed for divorce): |
hisownpetard |
Sep-03-07 10:49 PM |
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"No two children ever had the same parents." |
Mind_your_head |
Sep-03-07 10:54 PM |
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Absolutely, the family dynamic is entirely |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-03-07 10:59 PM |
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I asked her that last night. Would she allow someone to treat her daughter the same way? |
Beausoir |
Sep-03-07 11:51 PM |
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Whether he ever strikes her or not... |
Ino |
Sep-03-07 11:00 PM |
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It will escalate. |
emilyg |
Sep-03-07 11:11 PM |
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Understand that she doesn't want to "fail" at marriage again. |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-03-07 11:15 PM |
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Yes, I've known cases like that: |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-04-07 08:58 PM |
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YES! It will escalate! |
Triana |
Sep-03-07 11:27 PM |
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He sounds like a control freak |
buddyhollysghost |
Sep-04-07 12:04 AM |
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she needs to get out |
mzteris |
Sep-04-07 12:07 AM |
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as the survivor of marriage to an emotionally abusive man.... |
grasswire |
Sep-04-07 12:11 AM |
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counselor asked me if "this was the kind of relationship I had envisioned being in" while growing up |
fed-up |
Sep-04-07 12:23 AM |
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The only thing you can do is be her friend and |
Jamastiene |
Sep-04-07 12:39 AM |
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Been there done that and the only thing I know for sure |
Horse with no Name |
Sep-04-07 01:25 AM |
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You know, it's a good sign that your sister finally told you what's been going on. |
hisownpetard |
Sep-04-07 02:35 AM |
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I am the survivor of an abusive relationship. |
distantearlywarning |
Sep-04-07 08:21 AM |
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What you said about therapy is important... |
ljm2002 |
Sep-04-07 01:54 PM |
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Get her out. Now. It is unlikely to get better. |
triguy46 |
Sep-04-07 08:22 AM |
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If you get her out/she gets out now, |
Dangerously Amused |
Sep-04-07 09:09 AM |
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Short answer, yes |
skygazer |
Sep-04-07 09:16 AM |
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he denigrates her young children---time for him to go even if he was a prince to her. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Sep-04-07 10:19 AM |
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If he's been doing this stuff for 6 years and hasn't hit her.... |
noonwitch |
Sep-04-07 10:37 AM |
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If he punches holes in the wall... |
AngryOldDem |
Sep-04-07 10:49 AM |
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It may or may not escalate into that... |
SacredCow |
Sep-04-07 10:59 AM |
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imo yes, it will escalate |
redqueen |
Sep-04-07 11:04 AM |
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The fact that he blames her for his behavior is a tip-off. |
CBHagman |
Sep-04-07 11:22 AM |
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That behavior is very likely to escallate. |
ThomCat |
Sep-04-07 11:54 AM |
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BTDT and in my relationship, yes it turned to physical abuse... |
Debbi801 |
Sep-04-07 12:04 PM |
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No |
SimpleTrend |
Sep-04-07 12:40 PM |
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destroying property and denigrating children is over the line |
Kali |
Sep-04-07 02:37 PM |
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The key indicator is his stated reason for doing so |
skygazer |
Sep-04-07 04:33 PM |
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Thank you. That cannot be emphasized enough. n/t |
Shakespeare |
Sep-04-07 04:41 PM |
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Absolutely. |
Ariana Celeste |
Sep-04-07 04:43 PM |
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he has prolly already hurt her and she is lying about it OR he has |
wildhorses |
Sep-04-07 01:01 PM |
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even if he has not physically hurt her |
MissMillie |
Sep-04-07 01:06 PM |
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It doesn't even matter if it never escalates. Throwing glasses, kicking walls, and temper |
grace0418 |
Sep-04-07 02:54 PM |
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what does this mean? |
idgiehkt |
Sep-04-07 03:30 PM |
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I was terrified that if my parents divorced |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Sep-04-07 04:42 PM |
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I didn't understand that part back then either |
idgiehkt |
Sep-04-07 05:35 PM |
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It's pretty simple, really. He is hurting people I love. I want him gone. |
Beausoir |
Sep-04-07 08:29 PM |
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I do not know how you do it |
idgiehkt |
Sep-04-07 08:39 PM |
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Heh. I leave my profile ambiguous for a reason. |
Beausoir |
Sep-04-07 08:51 PM |
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I am no expert, but . . . |
Brigid |
Sep-04-07 04:24 PM |
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Ask her if she's willing to risk her kids' lives and sanity |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Sep-04-07 04:29 PM |
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Could be a symptom of a larger problem. |
Ariana Celeste |
Sep-04-07 04:40 PM |
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What an inmature brat! |
Maestro |
Sep-04-07 05:05 PM |
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Do whatever it takes to get her away from this maniac. Intervention if necessary. |
Seabiscuit |
Sep-04-07 05:44 PM |
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Abusive, anger Issues, escalation guaranteed....emotional abuse is as damaging as physical |
MichiganVote |
Sep-04-07 06:27 PM |
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