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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 11:23 PM
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37. He is the problem, not her...
She needs to focus on the problem at hand which is him and his anger and not knowing what the situation is I nonetheless would recommend a "tough love" approach to force him to get help. And that is a "tough love" approach with herself as well. If she has the financial ability to do so, she needs to continue to carry him but herself as well along with the children in a separate living arrangement and tell him unless he gets help she will seek a permanent separation. It might work. It might not. If it doesn't work, at least she is not living with him. And she needs to make sure he does not know where she is living which is always rule number one. Rule number two is to make sure the children don't tell him. If it is not feasible, she needs to stay with someone else. If not you, a friend perhaps. Preferably, again, somewhere that he doesn't know where she is. But she really must not stay there once she lays the "get help or else" card on the table.

Many women act out of fear, and wisely, but also then create a secondary problem with stalking behavior in addition to the abusive and/or violent behavior. She must simply take control and keep contol of the situation to protect herself and the children.

As both a stalking victim and an advocate I can guarantee you that no restraining order is going to stop him if he starts stalking her. Many victims of domestic abuse/violence end up with a restraining order against a stalker and then end up in family law court with ordered visitation which only allows the stalking and the cycle of abuse/violence to continue, often through the children. What the law says and what the law does are two different things. As an attorney, she probably knows that better than anyone. She feels shame? There is no shame in trying to help him. But she also needs to help herself as well in the process by protecting herself and her children. That everyone here agrees on.

Why assume she is attracted to dysfunctional and abusive men and therefore is dysfunctional herself? Maybe she's just a nice person and they're attracted to her. Because she's a nice person. Nice people make the best victims. And sometimes victims are just victims. Not volunteers.

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  -Looking for some insight on a possibly abusive relationship. Beausoir  Sep-03-07 10:12 PM   #0 
  - If he is throwing things in the house, she needs to get the hell out.  A HERETIC I AM   Sep-03-07 10:17 PM   #1 
  - Yes, that is really what I think, too. And he throws things on a regular basis.  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 10:18 PM   #2 
     - I wish there were an easy answer.  PDJane   Sep-03-07 10:26 PM   #9 
     - My neighbor was badly beaten by her first husband for a couple of years.  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 10:29 PM   #12 
     - I know there are many women on this board that can speak from either experience or a professional  A HERETIC I AM   Sep-03-07 10:31 PM   #13 
        - It happens with guys too;  PDJane   Sep-03-07 10:54 PM   #28 
  - This is an abusive relationship, and it is very likely to escalate.  yardwork   Sep-03-07 10:19 PM   #3 
  - It's my sister. She is financially independent. His business just tanked, so she is carrying him.  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 10:22 PM   #5 
     - If it is your sister, I would venture to guess...  A HERETIC I AM   Sep-03-07 10:37 PM   #18 
     - My 'relative' in post 23 was my brother  Mind_your_head   Sep-03-07 10:48 PM   #24 
     - Is he abusing any substances?  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Sep-03-07 11:24 PM   #38 
  - If he's making her responsible for his raging, there's a problem.  sfexpat2000   Sep-03-07 10:20 PM   #4 
  - I'm really scared. I am so glad she told me last night, but I couldn't sleep a wink afterwards.  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 10:23 PM   #6 
     - If you want to help her, YOU have to keep your head  sfexpat2000   Sep-03-07 10:56 PM   #30 
  - She needs to find out why she is accepting an abusive man  DemGa   Sep-03-07 10:23 PM   #7 
  - This is her second go around. The first one was verbally and mentally abusive.  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 10:26 PM   #8 
  - See the earlier answer.  PDJane   Sep-03-07 10:28 PM   #11 
  - He is the problem, not her...  Baby Snooks   Sep-03-07 11:23 PM   #37 
     - Abusers like nothing better than to find a kindhearted person  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-04-07 08:55 PM   #90 
  - Unless she gets some services of a mental health practioner  Stargazer99   Sep-03-07 10:27 PM   #10 
  - I also think she is dealing with shame. She is ashamed of his actions and would be mortified if her  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 10:31 PM   #15 
     - Domestic violence effects all income levels and professions  yardwork   Sep-04-07 12:46 AM   #48 
     - She's an attorney????  idgiehkt   Sep-04-07 06:18 PM   #82 
        - Yes, but surely you recognize that abuse crosses all income and education levels.  Beausoir   Sep-04-07 08:32 PM   #85 
           - I didn't say it made her immune  idgiehkt   Sep-04-07 08:34 PM   #86 
              - Okay....I understand your point.  Beausoir   Sep-04-07 08:39 PM   #88 
  - Sounds very unhealthy...  ljm2002   Sep-03-07 10:31 PM   #14 
  - Sound advice. I will take it to heart.  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 10:33 PM   #16 
  - "He says it is because she treats him poorly"  flvegan   Sep-03-07 10:33 PM   #17 
  - You are powerless in this situation.  seriousstan   Sep-03-07 10:40 PM   #19 
  - Beausoir, go get her and the kids  JulieRB   Sep-03-07 10:40 PM   #20 
  - It has to be done very carefully if that's the plan.  sfexpat2000   Sep-03-07 10:52 PM   #27 
  - ¡Peligro!  Swamp Rat   Sep-03-07 10:58 PM   #31 
  - Yes. n/t  sfexpat2000   Sep-03-07 10:59 PM   #33 
  - sfexpat, absolutely  JulieRB   Sep-04-07 01:16 AM   #49 
  - I can't do that. She is not ready. Nowhere near ready to leave. She says she "adores" him.  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 11:52 PM   #41 
     - Maybe you can appeal to her sense of responsibility  BlackVelvet04   Sep-04-07 12:11 AM   #45 
     - How can she adore a man who's berating and belittling her children?  JulieRB   Sep-04-07 01:18 AM   #50 
  - If there is a Safe Passage tell her to go there  seemslikeadream   Sep-03-07 10:43 PM   #21 
  - Denigrating children is inexcusable. Period. She need out. nt  Colorado Progressive   Sep-03-07 10:43 PM   # 
  - Check this out  Baby Snooks   Sep-03-07 10:43 PM   #22 
  - Denigrating her kids is reason enough for her to get out & leave  Mind_your_head   Sep-03-07 10:44 PM   #23 
  - He might never hurt her but he's denigrating her kids,  DemBones DemBones   Sep-03-07 10:49 PM   #25 
  - Please ask her the question my therapist asked me (before I filed for divorce):  hisownpetard   Sep-03-07 10:49 PM   #26 
  - "No two children ever had the same parents."  Mind_your_head   Sep-03-07 10:54 PM   #29 
  - Absolutely, the family dynamic is entirely  DemBones DemBones   Sep-03-07 10:59 PM   #32 
  - I asked her that last night. Would she allow someone to treat her daughter the same way?  Beausoir   Sep-03-07 11:51 PM   #40 
  - Whether he ever strikes her or not...  Ino   Sep-03-07 11:00 PM   #34 
  - It will escalate.  emilyg   Sep-03-07 11:11 PM   #35 
  - Understand that she doesn't want to "fail" at marriage again.  DemBones DemBones   Sep-03-07 11:15 PM   #36 
  - Yes, I've known cases like that:  Lydia Leftcoast   Sep-04-07 08:58 PM   #91 
  - YES! It will escalate!  Triana   Sep-03-07 11:27 PM   #39 
  - He sounds like a control freak  buddyhollysghost   Sep-04-07 12:04 AM   #42 
  - she needs to get out  mzteris   Sep-04-07 12:07 AM   #43 
  - as the survivor of marriage to an emotionally abusive man....  grasswire   Sep-04-07 12:11 AM   #44 
  - counselor asked me if "this was the kind of relationship I had envisioned being in" while growing up  fed-up   Sep-04-07 12:23 AM   #46 
  - The only thing you can do is be her friend and  Jamastiene   Sep-04-07 12:39 AM   #47 
  - Been there done that and the only thing I know for sure  Horse with no Name   Sep-04-07 01:25 AM   #51 
  - You know, it's a good sign that your sister finally told you what's been going on.  hisownpetard   Sep-04-07 02:35 AM   #52 
  - I am the survivor of an abusive relationship.  distantearlywarning   Sep-04-07 08:21 AM   #53 
  - What you said about therapy is important...  ljm2002   Sep-04-07 01:54 PM   #68 
  - Get her out. Now. It is unlikely to get better.  triguy46   Sep-04-07 08:22 AM   #54 
  - If you get her out/she gets out now,  Dangerously Amused   Sep-04-07 09:09 AM   #55 
  - Short answer, yes  skygazer   Sep-04-07 09:16 AM   #56 
  - he denigrates her young children---time for him to go even if he was a prince to her.  chimpsrsmarter   Sep-04-07 10:19 AM   #57 
  - If he's been doing this stuff for 6 years and hasn't hit her....  noonwitch   Sep-04-07 10:37 AM   #58 
  - If he punches holes in the wall...  AngryOldDem   Sep-04-07 10:49 AM   #59 
  - It may or may not escalate into that...  SacredCow   Sep-04-07 10:59 AM   #60 
  - imo yes, it will escalate  redqueen   Sep-04-07 11:04 AM   #61 
  - The fact that he blames her for his behavior is a tip-off.  CBHagman   Sep-04-07 11:22 AM   #62 
  - That behavior is very likely to escallate.  ThomCat   Sep-04-07 11:54 AM   #63 
  - BTDT and in my relationship, yes it turned to physical abuse...  Debbi801   Sep-04-07 12:04 PM   #64 
  - No  SimpleTrend   Sep-04-07 12:40 PM   #65 
  - destroying property and denigrating children is over the line  Kali   Sep-04-07 02:37 PM   #69 
  - The key indicator is his stated reason for doing so  skygazer   Sep-04-07 04:33 PM   #74 
     - Thank you. That cannot be emphasized enough. n/t  Shakespeare   Sep-04-07 04:41 PM   #76 
     - Absolutely.  Ariana Celeste   Sep-04-07 04:43 PM   #78 
  - he has prolly already hurt her and she is lying about it OR he has  wildhorses   Sep-04-07 01:01 PM   #66 
  - even if he has not physically hurt her  MissMillie   Sep-04-07 01:06 PM   #67 
  - It doesn't even matter if it never escalates. Throwing glasses, kicking walls, and temper  grace0418   Sep-04-07 02:54 PM   #70 
  - what does this mean?  idgiehkt   Sep-04-07 03:30 PM   #71 
  - I was terrified that if my parents divorced  GoddessOfGuinness   Sep-04-07 04:42 PM   #77 
  - I didn't understand that part back then either  idgiehkt   Sep-04-07 05:35 PM   #80 
  - It's pretty simple, really. He is hurting people I love. I want him gone.  Beausoir   Sep-04-07 08:29 PM   #84 
     - I do not know how you do it  idgiehkt   Sep-04-07 08:39 PM   #87 
        - Heh. I leave my profile ambiguous for a reason.  Beausoir   Sep-04-07 08:51 PM   #89 
  - I am no expert, but . . .  Brigid   Sep-04-07 04:24 PM   #72 
  - Ask her if she's willing to risk her kids' lives and sanity  GoddessOfGuinness   Sep-04-07 04:29 PM   #73 
  - Could be a symptom of a larger problem.  Ariana Celeste   Sep-04-07 04:40 PM   #75 
  - What an inmature brat!  Maestro   Sep-04-07 05:05 PM   #79 
  - Do whatever it takes to get her away from this maniac. Intervention if necessary.  Seabiscuit   Sep-04-07 05:44 PM   #81 
  - Abusive, anger Issues, escalation guaranteed....emotional abuse is as damaging as physical  MichiganVote   Sep-04-07 06:27 PM   #83 
 

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