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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 08:45 AM
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11. I hate conversations like this. No major is useless unless
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 09:22 AM by Lydia Leftcoast
you adhere to the idiotic American belief that job training is the only purpose of education.

The most worthless majors are those jerry-built ones that lead to a specific job title, such as Financial Planning, Personnel Management, or Corporate Health and Fitness but give the student no intellectual tools for thinking or dealing with ambiguity. Such majors are the breeding ground of freepers, who can't see outside their narrow little worlds.

Until the late 1970s, employers hired English, philosophy, and music majors for management training positions. Many people of my generation were able to obtain such positions. That was when companies appreciated people who had a broad worldview and could think and write clearly.

Two things changed during the Reagan administration:

1. The MBAs took over the world. Within about five years, corporations stopped hiring anyone for management training who didn't have a business or computer science degree.

2. Anti-intellectualism became even more dominant in American life than it had been before.

In people's real working lives, they struggle and flounder in the beginning, but eventually they find their niche, and they may change careers several times, ending up in careers that have nothing to do with what they majored in.

I majored in German and minored in French in college, and my entire career has been with Japanese, both as a teacher and as a translator.

I didn't always appreciate my general education requirements when I was a student, but I credit my broadly based educational background for my success as a translator. A translator never knows what she will be asked to translate next, and the kind of knowledge and research and writing skills that I acquired as a liberal arts student prove useful on a daily basis.

So grow up and take every opportunity you can find to learn more about the humanities, social sciences, and sciences.

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  -Useless college majors (based on your experience) pstokely  Feb-16-07 04:00 AM   #0 
  - Philosophy.  Kutjara   Feb-16-07 05:01 AM   #1 
  - Can't get into law school (or afford it)?  pstokely   Feb-16-07 05:04 AM   #2 
  - It was 20 years ago for me.  Kutjara   Feb-16-07 05:10 AM   #3 
     - "Poly Sci"? The study of polyamory?  ThinkBlue1966   Feb-16-07 05:38 AM   #4 
     - Now that's a course I could have got behind.  Kutjara   Feb-16-07 05:41 AM   #5 
        - And, more often than not, being right in the middle of!  HypnoToad   Feb-16-07 07:58 AM   #7 
     - Law degree doesn't help. Too many lawyers running loose.  Perragrande   Feb-16-07 01:27 PM   #66 
  - Political Theory  Chan790   Feb-16-07 07:43 AM   #6 
     - Is that different from Political Science nt  pstokely   Feb-16-07 05:50 PM   #85 
        - Political Science studies how the system works  Chan790   Feb-16-07 06:19 PM   #88 
  - Music Performance  tonkatoy57   Feb-16-07 08:27 AM   #8 
  - followed closesly by Music Education  AllegroRondo   Feb-16-07 09:46 AM   #23 
  - With Music Composition right up there also.  gwbsamoron   Feb-16-07 10:55 AM   #45 
     - dont forget that minor in Conducting  AllegroRondo   Feb-16-07 11:06 AM   #50 
        - Won't a high school band hire you?  pstokely   Feb-16-07 05:51 PM   #86 
  - Don't forget Music History!  deepthought42   Feb-16-07 11:20 AM   #58 
  - I totally agree  Pied Piper   Feb-16-07 04:02 PM   #78 
  - My S.O. majored in Theater  Patiod   Feb-16-07 08:34 AM   #9 
  - There is no Useless College Major  new_beawr   Feb-16-07 08:43 AM   #10 
  - I hate conversations like this. No major is useless unless  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-16-07 08:45 AM   #11 
  - Right on the money!  Seabiscuit   Feb-16-07 09:06 AM   #13 
  - Great post-BTW Lydia this was on accident  underpants   Feb-16-07 09:13 AM   #15 
  - Great smoking gun memo!  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-16-07 09:28 AM   #20 
  - You know who you can blame for this?  Vash the Stampede   Feb-16-07 09:25 AM   #16 
  - For example, which ones?  electron_blue   Feb-16-07 10:39 AM   #31 
     - Well, if you work in education...  Vash the Stampede   Feb-16-07 10:51 AM   #42 
        - Oh good grief. I was looking for your real life examples. Not a run around.  electron_blue   Feb-18-07 10:36 AM   #116 
  - best response in this thread IMO....  mike_c   Feb-16-07 09:29 AM   #21 
  - I heartily disagree...  Prag   Feb-16-07 09:43 AM   #22 
  - I'd say the flip side of that is that progams became very watered down  XemaSab   Feb-16-07 10:27 AM   #25 
  - No kidding!  Prag   Feb-16-07 10:32 AM   #28 
  - Thats the comodity view  One_Life_To_Give   Feb-16-07 03:04 PM   #70 
  - Okay, that's scary.  Rue   Feb-16-07 08:50 PM   #105 
  - thank you. I too dislike this line of thought  unpossibles   Feb-16-07 10:39 AM   #32 
  - Spellcheck  XemaSab   Feb-16-07 10:49 AM   #36 
     - haha. OMG!!! I MISPELLD A WORD!  unpossibles   Feb-16-07 11:15 AM   #54 
  - If hiring for a business management position  Jimbo S   Feb-16-07 10:47 AM   #35 
  - In the old days, it worked just fine  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-16-07 11:14 AM   #53 
     - I guess one has to take it on a case by case basis  Jimbo S   Feb-16-07 03:08 PM   #71 
     - Engineering and medicine were always exceptions, but  Lydia Leftcoast   Feb-16-07 05:24 PM   #83 
     - "Gatekeeping"  BluePatriot   Feb-19-07 03:06 PM   #118 
  - you rock  WindRavenX   Feb-16-07 03:12 PM   #72 
  - The one that you don't really love.  philosophie_en_rose   Feb-16-07 09:03 AM   #12 
  - Film.  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-16-07 09:07 AM   #14 
  - Ah, but it depends on where you go and what you want to do in film!  Kerrytravelers   Feb-16-07 10:49 AM   #37 
  - Contacts definitely, but the degree itself is not so helpful.  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-16-07 10:53 AM   #43 
     - Then I totally agree.  Kerrytravelers   Feb-16-07 11:17 AM   #56 
        - Absolutely.  Starbucks Anarchist   Feb-16-07 11:24 AM   #59 
  - Blockbuster won't even hire you, you're overqualified  pstokely   Feb-16-07 05:59 PM   #87 
  - any degree older than twenty years  leftofthedial   Feb-16-07 09:26 AM   #17 
  - Amen/Ramen! nt  raccoon   Feb-16-07 10:33 AM   #29 
  - yep  Perragrande   Feb-16-07 07:09 PM   #93 
  - Electronics Engineering...  Prag   Feb-16-07 09:28 AM   #18 
  - Word of advice,  Xipe Totec   Feb-16-07 07:18 PM   #95 
  - None  bleedingheart   Feb-16-07 09:28 AM   #19 
  - Art, followed by Anthropology for a BA  XemaSab   Feb-16-07 10:22 AM   #24 
  - Awe, but, I adore Anthropologists!  Prag   Feb-16-07 10:28 AM   #26 
  - But is the trowel a Marshalltown?  XemaSab   Feb-16-07 10:34 AM   #30 
     - I'd have to check...  Prag   Feb-16-07 10:43 AM   #33 
        - There are two archaology trowels: Marshalltown and crap that was on sale  XemaSab   Feb-16-07 10:51 AM   #41 
           - Well, there you have it!  Prag   Feb-16-07 11:02 AM   #49 
              - ASU?  Kali   Feb-17-07 09:16 PM   #111 
  - I have that useless Anthropology degree...  malta blue   Feb-16-07 10:28 AM   #27 
  - I'm working towards mine right now  Cabcere   Feb-16-07 11:09 AM   #51 
  - If you like to dig - do as many summer programs as you can  malta blue   Feb-16-07 11:16 AM   #55 
  - And there are also summer programs...  Piltdown13   Feb-16-07 06:43 PM   #91 
  - My alma mater  achtung_circus   Feb-16-07 07:23 PM   #98 
     - I would have done forensics too  Kali   Feb-17-07 09:21 PM   #113 
  - Sure they will  Kali   Feb-17-07 09:18 PM   #112 
  - I have a BFA in painting and a good job that I love  unpossibles   Feb-16-07 10:47 AM   #34 
     - The fact that you have that artistic talent isn't lazy- it's a gift that I don't have.  Kerrytravelers   Feb-16-07 10:50 AM   #40 
     - I'm curious:  XemaSab   Feb-16-07 10:53 AM   #44 
     - my job is in the field of photo research and I also sell paintings  unpossibles   Feb-16-07 11:14 AM   #52 
     - BFA in Painting here too!  Cobalt Violet   Feb-16-07 10:01 PM   #107 
  - Aeronautical Science  conscious evolution   Feb-16-07 10:49 AM   #38 
  - Oops.  eyepaddle   Feb-16-07 11:00 AM   #47 
  - Psychology/Sociology!  crim son   Feb-16-07 10:50 AM   #39 
  - Would Mostly Agree  Southpawkicker   Feb-16-07 11:28 AM   #60 
  - I did pretty well (not financially) with a Criminal Justice major and Psy/Soc minor.  itsmesgd   Feb-16-07 03:15 PM   #75 
  - I had a double major  crim son   Feb-16-07 03:28 PM   #76 
     - eh, not quite. I am not a professional, but I enjoyed the knowledge that the education departed  itsmesgd   Feb-16-07 03:55 PM   #77 
  - My mother had a psychology major  Nikia   Feb-16-07 07:11 PM   #94 
  - Useless in what context? I don't think any degree is categorically useless.  MJDuncan1982   Feb-16-07 10:56 AM   #46 
  - I agree with that.  Cobalt Violet   Feb-16-07 09:59 PM   #106 
  - I got jobs with my geology degree, it just turned out that  eyepaddle   Feb-16-07 11:02 AM   #48 
  - No! Not the safety guy!  XemaSab   Feb-16-07 07:59 PM   #101 
  - None of them.  bushwentawol   Feb-16-07 11:18 AM   #57 
  - Baton-twirling  TheBaldyMan   Feb-16-07 12:11 PM   #61 
  - B.S. in psychology  Blue_In_AK   Feb-16-07 12:11 PM   #62 
  - Journalism  Oeditpus Rex   Feb-16-07 12:24 PM   #63 
  - Corporate Law  regularguy   Feb-16-07 12:36 PM   #64 
  - Objection, booooooring.  Perragrande   Feb-16-07 06:58 PM   #92 
  - My BA in Communications and Fine Arts and MA in Liberal Studies  CTyankee   Feb-16-07 12:41 PM   #65 
  - No such thing. My major was something I enjoyed, and I earned  Midlodemocrat   Feb-16-07 01:39 PM   #67 
  - BA, English Literature n/t  sarge43   Feb-16-07 01:55 PM   #68 
  - Art History  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-16-07 02:26 PM   #69 
  - Hey TallahasseeGrannie....  devilgrrl   Feb-16-07 04:09 PM   #80 
     - Thanks  TallahasseeGrannie   Feb-17-07 06:40 AM   #108 
  - There are no useless majors, only useless students.  Strawman   Feb-16-07 03:12 PM   #73 
  - Communication  Bornaginhooligan   Feb-16-07 03:15 PM   #74 
  - Any You Don't Enjoy  Madspirit   Feb-16-07 04:07 PM   #79 
  - College is a great learning experience no matter what your major. I wouldn't  grace0418   Feb-16-07 04:28 PM   #81 
  - I haven't finished  windy252   Feb-16-07 04:39 PM   #82 
  - No such thing  Ookie   Feb-16-07 05:35 PM   #84 
  - math, physics, statistics, and economics  hfojvt   Feb-16-07 06:21 PM   #89 
  - Sociology is one of the most intellectually enlightening degrees available.  LostInAnomie   Feb-16-07 06:33 PM   #90 
  - I firmly believe that there are no useless college majors.  Rabrrrrrr   Feb-16-07 07:20 PM   #96 
  - 19th century French Poetry  Xipe Totec   Feb-16-07 07:22 PM   #97 
  - I think a foreign language major could be valuable  Nikia   Feb-16-07 08:03 PM   #102 
     - That was a joke  Xipe Totec   Feb-16-07 08:11 PM   #103 
  - I don't believe useless degrees are the problem...  sjbech   Feb-16-07 07:24 PM   #99 
  - A 4 year degree in biology  Nikia   Feb-16-07 07:26 PM   #100 
  - Need to use a different measure  Xipe Totec   Feb-16-07 08:48 PM   #104 
  - There is one Completely Useless major  jmowreader   Feb-17-07 06:52 PM   #109 
  - Anything with the term "interdisciplinary" in it...  leeroysphits   Feb-17-07 08:56 PM   #110 
  - I found my history degree useful, even if my academic advisor  mycritters2   Feb-17-07 09:28 PM   #114 
  - Creative Writing and Dance.  smoogatz   Feb-17-07 10:01 PM   #115 
  - Anthropology. Useless for a career but fantastic for life.  DuaneBidoux   Feb-19-07 12:15 PM   #117 

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