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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #139
140. I got that. I understand that.
I thought the point in the thread was that the way a pet is supposed to decide if it wants to live with you or not is to leave the door open.

So my point was: how long do you leave the door open for the pet to "decide".

If you seal the dog door at some time you are denying the pet the "freedom to leave".

I don't think the dog door is stupid - the idea that your pet needs to consent to stay living with you is.
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  -Until animals can give informed consent, all sports involving them should be banned. ohiosmith  Jan-30-07 01:00 PM   #0 
  - Even monkey knife fights?  Blue-Jay   Jan-30-07 01:04 PM   #1 
  - BRAK.  Shakespeare   Jan-30-07 01:10 PM   #5 
  - well obviously not monkey knife fights  northzax   Jan-30-07 01:11 PM   #6 
  - Eeep! Ack! Ook!  TheBaldyMan   Jan-30-07 06:49 PM   #97 
  - Do you include eating them in that? Or how about building houses where they live?  jobycom   Jan-30-07 01:05 PM   #2 
  - Whoever wants to eat one has to catch it and kill it and the animal must be given a fighting chance.  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:18 PM   #8 
     - So we can only eat monkeys that we kill in a knife fight?  seemunkee   Jan-30-07 01:57 PM   #25 
     - Knife, gun, grenade launcher, whatever.  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 05:01 PM   #78 
     - What if we just want to run nude bur don't want to kill or eat an animal?  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 08:34 AM   #101 
  - and when they can give consent  sniffa   Jan-30-07 01:06 PM   #3 
  - Animals can already consent to that  Orrex   Jan-31-07 09:44 AM   #106 
  - same thing for pet ownership, right?  northzax   Jan-30-07 01:08 PM   #4 
  - same  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:12 PM   #7 
  - these guys are whacked  pokerfan   Jan-30-07 01:25 PM   #11 
     - In the 12 step agenda...  Solon   Jan-30-07 01:58 PM   #26 
     - Slick interpretation by a bunch of cat breeders, eh?  flvegan   Jan-30-07 05:40 PM   #89 
  - If this isn't just humor or flame-bait,  Kali   Jan-30-07 01:20 PM   #9 
  - have so  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:23 PM   #10 
     - And you don't think by virtue of their very behavior they consent?  Kali   Jan-30-07 01:29 PM   #13 
        - And some guy on your back is beating the crap out of you with a whip.  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:32 PM   #15 
           - Not any of the race type horses I have been on.  Kali   Jan-30-07 01:38 PM   #18 
  - So tonight when I get home I should just toss Abbott & Evita out on the streets  LynneSin   Jan-30-07 01:27 PM   #12 
  - No. Give them the option.  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:30 PM   #14 
     - Yes but how are they going to tell me  LynneSin   Jan-30-07 01:33 PM   #16 
     - Leave the door open. You'll find out if they want to stay or not.  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:36 PM   #17 
        - So then, in horse racing, just open the gate and see if the horses run?  jobycom   Jan-30-07 01:42 PM   #19 
        - yes  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:43 PM   #20 
           - Well, that's what happens, so your conditions are already met.  jobycom   Jan-30-07 02:04 PM   #27 
              - Do the horses whip themselves?  flvegan   Jan-30-07 02:07 PM   #30 
                 - Good point.  jobycom   Jan-30-07 02:32 PM   #32 
                    - To me, it's in the training.  flvegan   Jan-30-07 02:38 PM   #34 
                    - The problem is that they are bred for racing  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 02:48 PM   #36 
                       - Judging by the popularity if it, it's a good thing puritanical thoughts about what is  Kali   Jan-30-07 04:44 PM   #74 
                          - Life would be a lot better  flvegan   Jan-30-07 04:57 PM   #76 
                             - Back seat? Aren't we traveling on foot?  Kali   Jan-30-07 05:05 PM   #79 
                                - It's a rikshaw!  flvegan   Jan-30-07 05:18 PM   #81 
                                   - ....  Kali   Jan-30-07 05:24 PM   #83 
        - How long do you need to leave the door open?  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 08:35 AM   #103 
           - Solution-  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 10:12 AM   #108 
              - Some dogs would need a door big enough for a person to gain entry.  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 10:15 AM   #109 
                 - They do make XLarge pet doors for dogs.  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 10:29 AM   #116 
                    - I was thinking of burglars - not the family who lives in the house.  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 12:20 PM   #128 
                       - I was talking about burglars!  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 12:33 PM   #132 
                          - But if you seal it off completely - which i understand you can do - then  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 12:44 PM   #135 
                          - I've answered all your questions,  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 12:53 PM   #137 
                             - LOL! The point of the seal is to make the dog door inaccessible at  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 12:59 PM   #138 
                                - OK, let's try this.  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 01:22 PM   #139 
                                   - I got that. I understand that.  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 01:34 PM   #140 
                                      - Actually, the OP is about the animals giving consent  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 01:57 PM   #142 
                          - If a dog can push the flap, why couldn't a person?  uppityperson   Jan-31-07 04:30 PM   #152 
                             - That would be a good question to  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 09:35 PM   #155 
     - But when is that option given? It is possible that very few people could have pets  MJDuncan1982   Jan-30-07 02:10 PM   #31 
  - Hero  Madspirit   Jan-30-07 01:46 PM   #21 
  - you cant have my cat. thats all i have to say about this matter.  lionesspriyanka   Jan-30-07 01:50 PM   #22 
  - I don't want your, or any cat.  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 01:51 PM   #23 
     - What's wrong with her cats? You saying her cats aren't good enough for you!?  jobycom   Jan-30-07 02:05 PM   #28 
  - animals in sports does seem,  stuntcat   Jan-30-07 01:55 PM   #24 
  - No way am I giving up hamster racing  billyskank   Jan-30-07 02:06 PM   #29 
  - how about Gerbil Tunnelling  northzax   Jan-30-07 02:36 PM   #33 
     - Oh yeah, that sport is a mug's game.  billyskank   Jan-30-07 03:08 PM   #50 
  - Why should your views on this be forced on the rest of us?  Deep13   Jan-30-07 02:39 PM   #35 
  - Why?  Madspirit   Jan-30-07 02:48 PM   #37 
  - You are equating animals with abused children?  Deep13   Jan-30-07 02:56 PM   #39 
     - There's nothing fucked up about saying that abused creatures of any sort ought to be protected.  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 02:57 PM   #41 
     - We are one variety of animal that owns other varieties.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:00 PM   #44 
        - We used to own other people too. Many humans think they own thier children and wives.  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 03:05 PM   #47 
           - Provincial? Go ask a 3rd world citizen what he or she thinks of animal rights.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:16 PM   #53 
              - You don't think people in the third world care about animal rights and welfare?  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 03:39 PM   #63 
                 - There are real practical reasons to eschew meat.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:45 PM   #66 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-07 03:08 PM   #49 
     - If you want to say screw you, you can be plain.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:19 PM   #54 
        - What's with all the abortion/fetus talk?  Susang   Jan-30-07 03:50 PM   #67 
        - I was drawing an analogy between one set of gut-feeling value judgments...  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:51 PM   #68 
           - You're getting one anyway  Susang   Jan-30-07 04:14 PM   #72 
           - Of course they are not the same. It's an analogy.  Deep13   Jan-31-07 08:21 AM   #99 
           - I see one of your hobbies is shooting.  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 12:22 PM   #129 
        - I won't eat anything that has a face!  kdsusa   Jan-30-07 04:21 PM   #73 
     - ...and to think  Madspirit   Jan-30-07 03:10 PM   #51 
     - I accept your surrender. Thanks.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:20 PM   #56 
        - Or- it's saying  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 10:10 AM   #107 
     - The equation was between abused aniumals and abused children.  achtung_circus   Jan-30-07 05:00 PM   #77 
     - No, what's fucked up  flvegan   Jan-30-07 05:21 PM   #82 
        - Opinion noted. nt  Deep13   Jan-31-07 08:28 AM   #100 
  - In the same vein, why should those of horse racing advocates be forced on horses?  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 02:50 PM   #38 
     - Most people do not accept that animals have human rights.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 02:58 PM   #42 
        - Nonsense.  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 03:03 PM   #46 
        - Why is suffering the standard?  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:13 PM   #52 
           - Because the two problems are interconnected.  LeftyMom   Jan-30-07 03:27 PM   #60 
              - Well, I think a plain distinction can be made.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:30 PM   #62 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-30-07 03:21 PM   #57 
        - Disagreeing with PETA doesn't make me a freeper.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 03:28 PM   #61 
        - Amazing  Susang   Jan-30-07 03:24 PM   #58 
        - Progressive simply is tending towards progress.  Deep13   Jan-30-07 04:09 PM   #69 
           - Bullshit  Susang   Jan-30-07 04:45 PM   #75 
              - My information is from a side note in this book.  Deep13   Jan-31-07 08:20 AM   #98 
        - the opposing view is no more rational.  idgiehkt   Jan-30-07 04:14 PM   #71 
           - Since homo sapiens is the only species to develop or acknowledge rights, it  mondo joe   Jan-31-07 10:16 AM   #110 
              - I'm not sure how one develops rights  idgiehkt   Jan-31-07 04:11 PM   #147 
  - I have signed and witnessed consent forms from  MoseyWalker   Jan-30-07 02:56 PM   #40 
  - But are they notarized?  MonkeyFunk   Jan-30-07 03:00 PM   #43 
     - oops  MoseyWalker   Jan-30-07 03:02 PM   #45 
  - There should be consent forms for stupid flamebait threads.  slj0101   Jan-30-07 03:06 PM   #48 
  - ...  Oeditpus Rex   Jan-30-07 03:19 PM   #55 
  - ....  lionesspriyanka   Jan-30-07 03:25 PM   #59 
  - Amen.  deadparrot   Jan-30-07 05:26 PM   #84 
  - Your thoughtful response is sincerely appreciated and will be given all due consideration.  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 05:33 PM   #86 
  - You are such a troublemaker  BarenakedLady   Jan-30-07 05:36 PM   #87 
     - moi?  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 05:38 PM   #88 
        - oui!  BarenakedLady   Jan-30-07 05:45 PM   #91 
           - non, jamais  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 05:49 PM   #92 
              - toujours!  BarenakedLady   Jan-30-07 05:53 PM   #93 
                 - vous m'avez bless  ohiosmith   Jan-30-07 06:09 PM   #95 
                    - je ne voulais pas te blesser :(  BarenakedLady   Jan-30-07 06:47 PM   #96 
                       - je te pardonne le cheri  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 09:37 AM   #105 
                          - merci, mon ami  BarenakedLady   Jan-31-07 10:42 AM   #117 
                             - non, merci vous  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 10:46 AM   #118 
                                - pourquoi?  BarenakedLady   Jan-31-07 10:50 AM   #119 
                                   - Je ne sais pas, je suis confus  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 11:08 AM   #124 
                                      - moi aussi  BarenakedLady   Jan-31-07 04:05 PM   #144 
                                         - bienvenue au club  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 04:07 PM   #145 
                                            - grille-pain ou un t-shirt?  BarenakedLady   Jan-31-07 04:17 PM   #149 
                                               - t-shirt. les grille-pain sont seulement pour des lesbiennes  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 04:21 PM   #150 
                                                  - LOL!!!  BarenakedLady   Jan-31-07 04:22 PM   #151 
  - A number of us are very sad  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 12:28 PM   #131 
     - I agree with the Barbaro thing.  slj0101   Jan-31-07 12:36 PM   #133 
        - Yep, it's similar to my  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 12:49 PM   #136 
        - Btw,  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 02:13 PM   #143 
  - Seriously? Even weiner dog races?  Patiod   Jan-30-07 03:39 PM   #64 
  - Patoid...You're Bad!  Madspirit   Jan-30-07 04:13 PM   #70 
     - Is this wrong?  pokerfan   Jan-30-07 05:31 PM   #85 
     - Perverse and weird  Madspirit   Jan-30-07 05:45 PM   #90 
        - I saw them on Letterman  pokerfan   Jan-30-07 05:58 PM   #94 
     - They make me cry  Patiod   Jan-31-07 08:35 AM   #102 
        - dog racing  Madspirit   Jan-31-07 11:22 AM   #125 
  - But what will the Universities of Florida and Miami do for  ForrestGump   Jan-30-07 03:44 PM   #65 
  - Immediately! Particularly bears and colts.  KamaAina   Jan-30-07 05:10 PM   #80 
  - which I imagine would mean  MissMillie   Jan-31-07 10:23 AM   #112 
  - Does this mean no more kitten juggling?  redwitch   Jan-31-07 08:52 AM   #104 
  - Updated - Operation Cat Freedom at the LynneSin home  LynneSin   Jan-31-07 10:18 AM   #111 
  - LOL !  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 10:24 AM   # 
  - Options LynneSin, options. No need to toss. If they want to leave allow them.  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 10:28 AM   #115 
     - But I never gave them the option to move into my place  LynneSin   Jan-31-07 01:53 PM   #141 
  - No you can't take away Cat Juggling!  Taverner   Jan-31-07 10:24 AM   #113 
  - We have a winner in the "I'm more progressive than you" sweepstakes.  MrsGrumpy   Jan-31-07 10:28 AM   #114 
  - Wait - wasn't your Purina Contest Picture of your dog taken in the snow  LynneSin   Jan-31-07 11:02 AM   #120 
     - Her... and she was looking all pitiful remember?  MrsGrumpy   Jan-31-07 11:05 AM   #121 
        - SHE looked gleeful and happy to me  LynneSin   Jan-31-07 11:06 AM   #122 
           - That's because you're a cat person...cat people can't tell what  MrsGrumpy   Jan-31-07 11:07 AM   #123 
  - Seconded. The human thirst for spectacle causes untold misery.  Coventina   Jan-31-07 11:43 AM   #126 
  - Imagine if horses were able to give racing tips on other horses.  zonkers   Jan-31-07 11:49 AM   #127 
  - What about hunting animals?  ileus   Jan-31-07 12:24 PM   #130 
  - Only if it is on equal terms.  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 12:39 PM   #134 
     - I support the right to arm bears.  BarenakedLady   Jan-31-07 04:09 PM   #146 
        - Now yer talk'n.  ohiosmith   Jan-31-07 04:11 PM   #148 
        - You got that one right!  Kajsa   Jan-31-07 04:35 PM   #154 
  - On the basis of the OP, I agree. eom  uppityperson   Jan-31-07 04:32 PM   #153 
 

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