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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:36 PM
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27. Fighting a woman's mind for a woman's body...
What an interesting concept. It would be noble of a man not to play on a woman's insecurities but there aren't many urges stronger than the urge to reproduce, and the trick works. Only women can change how they respond to a man's approach.

I remember my mother telling me that the "right" man wouldn't care how you look or, better said, you would look beautiful to him because he loved you. I internalized the message but could not help noticing that when my hair was bright blonde, and I wore the "right" clothing and the "right" amount of makeup and had the "right" attitude my chances of gaining an opening were infinitely greater. Therefore I became confused, feeling myself to be a failure because I was not beautiful unless all the props were in place. I did it to myself, because my self-esteem was, and still is to some degree, tied to the male response to my physical being. It's crazy! because when men and women truly care for one another as friends or lovers, the look becomes irrelevant. Why is it so hard to bear this in mind? Why anyway do we try to gain the approval of men and/or women who choose to define us according to our outward appearance? Yet, think of it: human beings are attracted to objects too that we consider to be beautiful. There is a beautiful piece of sculpture and there is an ugly one and we wish to touch the beautiful one, naturally while we wish to put the ugly one in a guest room closet. We are both bound to recognize and bound to not overemphasize the fact that our face and figure will have am impact on how we are initially perceived & maybe not only initially.
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  -On Tara Banks and the American obsession of women and weight CatWoman  Jan-28-07 01:33 PM   #0 
  - I saw that in the grocery store yesterday, and she looks fantastic...  NewWaveChick1981   Jan-28-07 01:34 PM   #1 
  - she looks very good  buddhamama   Jan-28-07 01:35 PM   #2 
  - here's one from her modeling days  CatWoman   Jan-28-07 01:36 PM   #3 
     - i agree; the weight suits her  buddhamama   Jan-28-07 01:38 PM   #5 
        - I second that. She wears it well  GreenPartyVoter   Jan-28-07 07:18 PM   #56 
  - What's Wrong With Society?  Southpawkicker   Jan-28-07 01:36 PM   #4 
  - She is a woman and she looks like a woman  MissHoneychurch   Jan-28-07 01:38 PM   #6 
  - I'd take Tyra over Kate Moss any day.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jan-28-07 01:41 PM   #7 
  - You Got that Right!  Southpawkicker   Jan-28-07 01:42 PM   #8 
  - Hey sexy  MissHoneychurch   Jan-28-07 01:46 PM   #9 
     - Hey there!  Starbucks Anarchist   Jan-28-07 01:52 PM   #12 
        - How are you doing?  MissHoneychurch   Jan-28-07 02:09 PM   #16 
           - Same old.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jan-28-07 02:36 PM   #18 
              - Working reading sleeping  MissHoneychurch   Jan-28-07 02:54 PM   #21 
  - perhaps the photo is airbrushed  JVS   Jan-28-07 01:47 PM   #10 
  - That was my initial suspicion as well  Mojambo   Jan-28-07 04:44 PM   #34 
  - I think she looks great, too.  SeattleGirl   Jan-28-07 01:48 PM   #11 
  - That's because as women, we can never be "good enough,"  LaraMN   Jan-28-07 04:06 PM   #32 
  - Don't go thinking that affects only women  Oeditpus Rex   Jan-28-07 04:39 PM   #33 
  - We're all beautiful and Tyra looks GREAT--and happy. I'm a "skinny" too.  blondeatlast   Jan-30-07 06:23 PM   #101 
  - I was talking about this with my daughter the other day.  crim son   Jan-28-07 01:57 PM   #13 
  - I think that's quite true.  Revolutionary_Acts04   Jan-28-07 02:05 PM   #14 
  - crim son, did you see my post just above yours?  SeattleGirl   Jan-28-07 02:05 PM   #15 
  - No I didn't... I must have been busy writing mine!  crim son   Jan-28-07 02:28 PM   #17 
  - What are you, an enemy of commerce? Insecure people buy "self-improvement" products.  struggle4progress   Jan-28-07 02:43 PM   #19 
  - I know; I suck, don't I?  crim son   Jan-28-07 03:23 PM   #25 
  - that makes me sad  idgiehkt   Jan-28-07 02:48 PM   #20 
  - Fighting a woman's mind for a woman's body...  crim son   Jan-28-07 03:36 PM   #27 
     - yep beauty is a genetic drive instinct  idgiehkt   Jan-28-07 04:51 PM   #35 
        - TAP?  hfojvt   Jan-28-07 05:48 PM   #42 
        - sorry  idgiehkt   Jan-28-07 05:57 PM   #43 
           - Is appreciation the same thing as objectification?  hfojvt   Jan-29-07 12:49 AM   #66 
              - I"m back but sleepy  idgiehkt   Jan-29-07 01:19 AM   #72 
        - Some men are genuinely friends with women  Nikia   Jan-28-07 07:04 PM   #52 
           - I finally have a relationship where I understand that though  idgiehkt   Jan-29-07 01:04 AM   #69 
  - I was kinda floored when I saw Kate Beckinsale on Conan's show  hfojvt   Jan-28-07 06:06 PM   #44 
  - Beauty is so much in the eye of the beholder.  crim son   Jan-28-07 07:38 PM   #57 
  - Once in college I was getting BOTH pressures  Patiod   Jan-29-07 10:45 AM   #78 
  - I've had to console my older daughter  gemdem   Feb-05-07 09:03 PM   #113 
  - I guess what I have learned about my own struggles with an eating disorder  Nikia   Jan-28-07 02:59 PM   #22 
  - I'm the same way  idgiehkt   Jan-28-07 03:14 PM   #24 
  - Tyra is pretty tall. 161 does not look heavy on her.  philosophie_en_rose   Jan-28-07 02:59 PM   #23 
  - to me she looks freakishly huge in that picture  pitohui   Jan-28-07 06:41 PM   #46 
     - I think her facial expression is weird, but she looks healthy to me.  philosophie_en_rose   Jan-28-07 06:44 PM   #48 
     - not to me, i simply am not able to see it  pitohui   Jan-28-07 06:45 PM   #49 
     - Freakishly huge?  GirlinContempt   Jan-29-07 10:27 AM   #77 
        - yeah that's sort of the point of the post  pitohui   Jan-30-07 06:03 PM   #97 
           - Yeah I think I getcha  GirlinContempt   Jan-30-07 06:05 PM   #98 
           - I have that problem too  Nikia   Feb-02-07 06:43 PM   #104 
           - I find this fascinating and disturbing--I'd always been under the impression...  Shakespeare   Feb-02-07 06:47 PM   #105 
  - i'd hit it!  KG   Jan-28-07 03:24 PM   #26 
  - you'd hit anything!!!!  CatWoman   Jan-28-07 03:40 PM   #28 
  - She looks completely healthy to me! How tall is she anyways?  applegrove   Jan-28-07 03:43 PM   #29 
  - I believe she's close to 6'  stanwyck   Jan-28-07 04:59 PM   #36 
  - Tyra is beautiful  Nicole   Jan-28-07 03:43 PM   #30 
  - Found the "fat" Tyra picture  Nicole   Jan-28-07 04:01 PM   #31 
     - thanks, Nic  CatWoman   Jan-28-07 05:07 PM   #38 
     - I think Banks was very hypocritical at the end of that article.  Pushed To The Left   Jan-28-07 05:12 PM   #39 
     - This is what she said...  Engi   Jan-28-07 05:48 PM   #41 
        - Yes, I disagree with her calling the man in the mall a loser!  Pushed To The Left   Jan-28-07 06:13 PM   #45 
           - You're a little confused...  Engi   Jan-28-07 07:15 PM   #54 
              - I'm not confused at all. I just happen to disagree with you. There's a difference.  Pushed To The Left   Jan-28-07 07:49 PM   #58 
              - I really do understand what you're saying...  Engi   Jan-28-07 08:00 PM   #59 
                 - what about those of us who have striven and failed?  Perragrande   Feb-06-07 02:16 AM   #115 
              - I've heard others make the case...  misanthrope   Jan-28-07 11:16 PM   #63 
              - Oh come on...  Engi   Jan-29-07 01:07 AM   #70 
              - Luckily we all have different definitions of success  lwfern   Feb-02-07 08:46 PM   #111 
     - She says, and I quote,  hickman   Jan-28-07 07:18 PM   #55 
        - Very true**nm  misanthrope   Jan-28-07 11:10 PM   #62 
        - Yup.  bushwentawol   Jan-28-07 11:19 PM   #64 
        - Depends on the case.  xmas74   Jan-29-07 11:24 AM   #84 
        - Women generally don't like OBESE guys  XemaSab   Feb-02-07 06:49 PM   #106 
           - Perfect example:  XemaSab   Feb-05-07 08:47 PM   #112 
  - I think she looks better. /nt  necso   Jan-28-07 05:05 PM   #37 
  - She's beautiful  flamingyouth   Jan-28-07 05:15 PM   #40 
  - She's beautiful.  terrya   Jan-28-07 06:44 PM   #47 
  - All I know, is I think she looks freaky with her vulcan eyebrows.  mainegreen   Jan-28-07 06:49 PM   #50 
  - My eyebrows are naturally  u4ic   Jan-28-07 06:53 PM   #51 
     - Really? Interesting.  mainegreen   Jan-28-07 07:13 PM   #53 
  - That is not fat...  BlueStorm   Jan-28-07 10:39 PM   #60 
  - Very nice!  bushwentawol   Jan-29-07 12:51 AM   #67 
  - Thank you...n/t  BlueStorm   Jan-29-07 12:53 AM   #68 
  - Rowr.  seawolf   Jan-29-07 06:02 AM   #76 
  - she's beautiful. screw the tabloids. nt  momophile   Jan-28-07 10:41 PM   #61 
  - I guess I'm just a social misfit  Goblinmonger   Jan-28-07 11:22 PM   #65 
  - it might have something to do  idgiehkt   Jan-29-07 01:10 AM   #71 
  - what comes out of her mouth is worse than the results of what goes in  yurbud   Jan-29-07 01:24 AM   #73 
  - Best answer in this thread!**nm  misanthrope   Jan-29-07 02:49 AM   #74 
  - She's within 10% of her optimun  Lurking_Argyle   Jan-29-07 05:59 AM   #75 
  - She's really tall  Patiod   Jan-29-07 10:47 AM   #79 
     - How tall is she?  Rockit   Jan-29-07 11:07 AM   #80 
        - 5'10" or 5'11" nt  Patiod   Jan-29-07 11:24 AM   #83 
  - I felt my healthiest around 169lbs  LynneSin   Jan-29-07 11:16 AM   #81 
  - Is one allowed to have a dissenting view here?  AngryAmish   Jan-29-07 11:19 AM   #82 
  - sure, knock yourself out.  CatWoman   Jan-29-07 04:12 PM   #85 
  - I'd love to see it actually... very intrigued at the moment. nt  Katherine Brengle   Jan-30-07 01:48 PM   #87 
     - OK, I don't think she looks good  AngryAmish   Jan-30-07 02:03 PM   #88 
        - What's fucked up isn't that you don't find heavy women attractive....  Shakespeare   Jan-30-07 02:13 PM   #89 
        - My thoughts exactly.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jan-30-07 02:14 PM   #91 
        - Thanks  AngryAmish   Jan-30-07 02:22 PM   #92 
           - Seriously, AngryAmish....  Shakespeare   Jan-30-07 02:39 PM   #93 
              - I have seen other recent photos  AngryAmish   Jan-30-07 02:46 PM   #94 
                 - man oh man  CatWoman   Jan-30-07 06:06 PM   #99 
        - Ok, but she's not a "heavy woman" -  Katherine Brengle   Feb-02-07 06:50 PM   #107 
        - I agree, I don't think she looks good  Awsi Dooger   Feb-02-07 07:09 PM   #108 
  - Actually, the problem is that most people have no idea what 161 lbs looks like --  Katherine Brengle   Jan-30-07 01:45 PM   #86 
  - I was recently told I'm "skinny"  mycritters2   Jan-30-07 02:13 PM   #90 
     - I'm 5'2" and 155 --  Katherine Brengle   Jan-30-07 06:22 PM   #100 
  - Based on that picture,  LaraMN   Jan-30-07 02:51 PM   #95 
  - Curl Up and Diet  Gormy Cuss   Jan-30-07 04:27 PM   #96 
  - Look at this candid pic of Tyra on the beach ----  Karenca   Feb-02-07 01:07 PM   #102 
  - She talked about this on her show yesterday.  azmouse   Feb-02-07 01:09 PM   #103 
  - she needs to lose about ten pounds  madrchsod   Feb-02-07 08:10 PM   #109 
  - She totally rocks! I saw of clip of her on Larry King and was greatly impressed.  Shine   Feb-02-07 08:18 PM   #110 
     - Articulate, eh?  XemaSab   Feb-06-07 12:55 AM   #114 

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