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Wed Dec-06-06 11:48 AM
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| 131. I think that at least several occasions I may have been guilty of this. |
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If so, I am wrong, and I apologize to you Aristus, and other Christians, recognizing that you are a very fine person, as are many Christians.
My parents were devoted and good Christians, and so is my stepmother. They are all fine people. I have other Christian relatives I'd rather not discuss. They use their "christianity" like a bludgeon, but that has no effect whatsoever on my love for my stepmother. In fact one of the things I love about my stepmother is that she makes her Christian principles part of her life. She is all about kindness and forgiveness and generosity.
Sometimes we atheists are angry at how we're treated. A former President of the United States went so far as to say we shouldn't be regarded as citizens. But surely that President was not speaking for all Christians. We have many Christians at DU who embrace the Christian principles that have played a positive role in Western culture.
Again, if I am to blame, I apologize.
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| -There's been a lot of hostility towards Jesus and Christians in the Lounge lately. |
Aristus |
Dec-05-06 02:15 PM |
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lelapin |
Dec-05-06 02:17 PM |
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Amen brother. Can I get a "praise the Lord"? |
ohiosmith |
Dec-05-06 02:19 PM |
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What do you believe Christ would have to say about gay marriage? |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 02:28 PM |
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something about getting the plank out of your own eye |
MrCoffee |
Dec-05-06 02:37 PM |
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A forgivable sin, then? |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 02:54 PM |
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mary magdalene |
xchrom |
Dec-05-06 05:36 PM |
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I haven't heard Mary Magdalene described as an apostle before. |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 06:37 PM |
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jesus slept with john. |
xchrom |
Dec-05-06 05:32 PM |
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I think Jesus would oppose it, like any Jew at the time. |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 06:46 PM |
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out of all his male followers he called only one beloved. |
xchrom |
Dec-05-06 07:06 PM |
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On this we agree completely: |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 07:12 PM |
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I think he'd answer it as being a non issue |
liontamer |
Dec-05-06 05:36 PM |
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Truly I Say |
Southpawkicker |
Dec-05-06 07:08 PM |
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LOL. |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 07:16 PM |
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Well, Yes |
Southpawkicker |
Dec-05-06 07:27 PM |
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Well said... |
chknltl |
Dec-05-06 09:14 PM |
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He'd be asking where the buffet table at the reception is. |
Telly Savalas |
Dec-05-06 09:49 PM |
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Best post here so far! |
xmas74 |
Dec-06-06 09:00 AM |
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I have no idea what He would have said about gay marriage. |
Aristus |
Dec-05-06 02:33 PM |
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Thank you for answering the question. |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 02:52 PM |
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I believe that Jesus would have welcomed gay marriage. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-05-06 04:49 PM |
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There are probably a fair number of Christians who have |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 05:24 PM |
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Jesus was well aware of how difficult the pursuit of happiness can be. |
blondeatlast |
Dec-05-06 05:36 PM |
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That wasn't expressed badly. |
94114_San_Francisco |
Dec-05-06 06:30 PM |
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Well, I appreciate that. |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 06:42 PM |
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I should distinguish between fundamentalists and liberal Christians. |
94114_San_Francisco |
Dec-05-06 07:33 PM |
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Yeah, Why Isn't It Your Business |
Southpawkicker |
Dec-05-06 07:03 PM |
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Could everyone please line up? |
94114_San_Francisco |
Dec-05-06 07:44 PM |
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Yeah, Please Take A Number! |
Southpawkicker |
Dec-05-06 07:49 PM |
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No, It Isn't Badly Expressed |
Southpawkicker |
Dec-05-06 06:49 PM |
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If we agree, then you are biased! |
crim son |
Dec-05-06 06:54 PM |
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Of Course I'm Biased |
Southpawkicker |
Dec-05-06 06:59 PM |
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... |
miss_american_pie |
Dec-05-06 02:34 PM |
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Thank you! |
azmouse |
Dec-05-06 02:37 PM |
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"and even atheists"? |
BarenakedLady |
Dec-05-06 02:38 PM |
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You're right, I didn't mean it that way. |
Aristus |
Dec-05-06 02:48 PM |
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No worries |
Az |
Dec-05-06 04:39 PM |
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AZ!! |
OhioBlues |
Dec-05-06 06:37 PM |
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I was just thinking the VERY same thing!!! |
Bzzzz |
Dec-05-06 08:10 PM |
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Thanks, buddy. |
Aristus |
Dec-05-06 07:19 PM |
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AZ!!! |
youthere |
Dec-06-06 11:05 AM |
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It's actually kind of ironic. |
primate1 |
Dec-05-06 02:52 PM |
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There are many of us at DU who are practising Christians. |
SOteric |
Dec-05-06 02:57 PM |
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I stay out of them. |
xmas74 |
Dec-05-06 03:52 PM |
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So do I. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-06-06 07:55 AM |
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Thank you! |
xmas74 |
Dec-06-06 08:56 AM |
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If I come across anti-christian I apologize |
Taverner |
Dec-05-06 02:59 PM |
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Hell, there's been a lot of hostility in the Lounge |
cwydro |
Dec-05-06 02:59 PM |
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There ya go... |
blondeatlast |
Dec-05-06 05:38 PM |
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Precisely. |
Ariana Celeste |
Dec-05-06 06:03 PM |
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Thank you.... |
L A Woman |
Dec-05-06 03:09 PM |
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What do you mean, lately...? |
billyskank |
Dec-05-06 03:54 PM |
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*is*, surely? |
HypnoToad |
Dec-05-06 03:55 PM |
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i am cool with Jesus |
buddhamama |
Dec-05-06 03:56 PM |
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Thank you, Aristus! |
Kajsa |
Dec-05-06 04:11 PM |
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I think we need a disclaimer: |
El Fuego |
Dec-05-06 04:37 PM |
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Christian*. |
blondeatlast |
Dec-05-06 05:42 PM |
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Happens every Christmas |
skygazer |
Dec-05-06 04:37 PM |
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Jesus is just alright with me. |
Blue-Jay |
Dec-05-06 04:38 PM |
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Ghandi. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-05-06 04:39 PM |
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Precisely. |
Blue-Jay |
Dec-05-06 04:48 PM |
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Exactly how I feel. I'm embarrassed to say I worship the same |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-05-06 04:50 PM |
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Really? Where? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-05-06 04:49 PM |
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Everyone is heading in the same direction |
johnnie |
Dec-05-06 04:53 PM |
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I'm sure the Christians you don't like consider themselves "real" Christians. |
idgiehkt |
Dec-05-06 05:24 PM |
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criticism is not so hard to take |
hfojvt |
Dec-05-06 05:55 PM |
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I'm for debate, not censorship |
idgiehkt |
Dec-05-06 06:16 PM |
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there's no debate involved in simple name calling |
hfojvt |
Dec-05-06 06:34 PM |
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this isn't directed at you... |
WindRavenX |
Dec-05-06 05:43 PM |
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So much toxic waste in GD it's bound to spillover to the Lounge |
blondeatlast |
Dec-05-06 05:45 PM |
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If it makes you feel any better there's a lot of hostility towards atheists CONSTANTLY |
Connonym |
Dec-05-06 05:59 PM |
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Yeah, what's up with that? |
BikeWriter |
Dec-05-06 06:02 PM |
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Yes, that is a good point |
cwydro |
Dec-05-06 06:47 PM |
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thanks for pointing that out |
WindRavenX |
Dec-05-06 06:50 PM |
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This is what drives me nuts: |
mainegreen |
Dec-05-06 06:51 PM |
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Exactly. Attack the beliefs. |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-05-06 07:43 PM |
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Oh, bullshit. |
Blue-Jay |
Dec-05-06 07:08 PM |
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Whine. |
bertha katzenengel |
Dec-05-06 08:09 PM |
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Except in America, where Christians are the 80% majority and in no danger of being oppressed. (nt) |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-05-06 08:24 PM |
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In the real world, yes, but on this board it's hostility toward Christians... |
L A Woman |
Dec-06-06 07:41 PM |
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Lately? |
AirmensMom |
Dec-05-06 06:55 PM |
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I think it's fine to mock the beliefs of others, or at least criticize them. |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-05-06 07:46 PM |
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I don't think it's fine to mock the beliefs of others. Not at all. |
speedoo |
Dec-05-06 08:11 PM |
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You mean mocking would be like "Christianity is a piss-poor child's |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-05-06 08:23 PM |
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Do you deliberately make statements designed to anger people? |
speedoo |
Dec-05-06 08:51 PM |
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Nooo.... |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-05-06 09:14 PM |
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Nope. |
speedoo |
Dec-05-06 09:33 PM |
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So can we mock Fundies? Can we mock Republicans? |
Evoman |
Dec-05-06 10:35 PM |
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What is your purpose at DU? |
hfojvt |
Dec-06-06 02:36 AM |
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Thank you for that post. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 02:54 AM |
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aw shucks. It's nice of you to say so |
hfojvt |
Dec-06-06 04:01 AM |
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Yeah, it's fine if you have no respect for them whatsoever |
billyskank |
Dec-06-06 07:41 AM |
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No, it's not fine to mock the beliefs of others. |
AirmensMom |
Dec-06-06 07:43 AM |
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I disagree. Mocking is belittling and serves no purpose. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-06-06 09:10 AM |
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We're all atheists. I just happen to believe in one less god than you. |
RetroLounge |
Dec-05-06 07:03 PM |
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That is a very intriguing way to put it. |
cwydro |
Dec-05-06 07:08 PM |
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What's your definition of atheism? |
speedoo |
Dec-05-06 09:45 PM |
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Clearly you do. |
RetroLounge |
Dec-05-06 10:37 PM |
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Yes, I miss the point of the quote. |
speedoo |
Dec-05-06 10:44 PM |
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The quote's part of an argument that goes like this: |
SteppingRazor |
Dec-06-06 09:58 AM |
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Here's the whole quote: |
deucemagnet |
Dec-06-06 10:18 AM |
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... |
RetroLounge |
Dec-06-06 11:53 AM |
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Thank you. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 02:43 PM |
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It's relevent because I BELIEVE it is. |
RetroLounge |
Dec-06-06 02:55 PM |
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No I am not mocking your beliefs. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 03:05 PM |
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Why do you care? |
RetroLounge |
Dec-06-06 03:26 PM |
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No. Are you? |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 04:02 PM |
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You already made many assumptions |
RetroLounge |
Dec-06-06 04:24 PM |
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Did I really? |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 04:28 PM |
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You do not care why I posted the quote. |
RetroLounge |
Dec-06-06 04:32 PM |
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Right. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 04:36 PM |
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I hate fundamentalists. That is all. |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-06 07:14 PM |
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suck it up |
Skittles |
Dec-05-06 07:23 PM |
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that would make a great band name... |
QuestionAll |
Dec-05-06 07:25 PM |
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Jeebus told me, this I know... |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-05-06 07:40 PM |
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And well deserved is what I say. |
trof |
Dec-05-06 07:49 PM |
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You are correct on both counts, my friend. |
blondeatlast |
Dec-05-06 08:58 PM |
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Hostility toward Jeebiz? You gotta be kidding! |
leftofthedial |
Dec-05-06 07:55 PM |
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theres a lot of hostility period, you should see the mocking of the gays here, atleast IRL |
lionesspriyanka |
Dec-05-06 08:25 PM |
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A-friggen-Men! |
tinfoil tiaras |
Dec-05-06 08:27 PM |
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Hostility towards any group is bigotry. |
jobycom |
Dec-05-06 08:30 PM |
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Republicans? |
Evoman |
Dec-05-06 10:40 PM |
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Yes |
jobycom |
Dec-06-06 07:39 AM |
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Well, here's where I see a difference. |
SteppingRazor |
Dec-06-06 10:11 AM |
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What if it's discovered that sexual orientation is not genetic? |
jobycom |
Dec-06-06 10:21 AM |
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If hostility toward a group for its beliefs is bigotry... |
SteppingRazor |
Dec-06-06 10:33 AM |
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Logical fallacies |
jobycom |
Dec-06-06 11:19 AM |
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..... |
mduffy31 |
Dec-05-06 10:39 PM |
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Thank you for speaking out, Aristus. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-05-06 10:46 PM |
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Jesus is different from the "Christians." |
Floogeldy |
Dec-05-06 10:52 PM |
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What bugs me are the people who jump into any thread that has |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-06-06 12:52 AM |
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Thank you for that. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 01:37 AM |
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I haven't much persecution of atheists on DU either. |
Evoman |
Dec-06-06 01:56 AM |
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I wasn't offended at the "YMCA" thread |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-06-06 08:55 AM |
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I've never understood this attitude of |
GirlinContempt |
Dec-06-06 08:20 AM |
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If you are referring to me, I will explain myself. |
crim son |
Dec-06-06 10:51 AM |
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Why would you think that I was |
GirlinContempt |
Dec-07-06 06:38 PM |
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Good. |
crim son |
Dec-07-06 09:44 PM |
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I don't. |
GirlinContempt |
Dec-07-06 09:48 PM |
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I won't get mad at Jesus if he doesn't turn on his leaf blower before 8. I'm still trying to sleep! |
yurbud |
Dec-06-06 01:41 AM |
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Thanks, Aristus, for this appeal. |
swimboy |
Dec-06-06 09:17 AM |
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What should we call you? |
zanne |
Dec-06-06 09:18 AM |
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I agree with you. It's hard to be a 'Christian' and not get lumped in |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-06-06 10:03 AM |
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As I mention above, call us Christians, as we try to follow our |
blondeatlast |
Dec-06-06 04:26 PM |
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Fundies and other assorted idiots have abused the "Christian" designation horribly... |
NewWaveChick1981 |
Dec-06-06 10:20 AM |
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Jesus was DEFINITELY a Liberal. If He was not, when the mob brought |
Aristus |
Dec-06-06 09:38 PM |
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Without getting too far "into it" (this is the LOUNGE afterall)... |
youthere |
Dec-06-06 11:45 AM |
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However, there's a whole thread in R&T about how horrible Jim Wallis is |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-06-06 02:40 PM |
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Very true.. |
youthere |
Dec-06-06 08:17 PM |
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I'm not offended. Either by your reply, or by the threads I was calling out |
Aristus |
Dec-06-06 09:57 PM |
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You can't let it get to you.. |
youthere |
Dec-07-06 11:24 AM |
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I think that at least several occasions I may have been guilty of this. |
NNadir |
Dec-06-06 11:48 AM |
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I think many christians imagine far more hostility than there |
ThomCat |
Dec-06-06 03:15 PM |
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Thom, it takes no imagination whatsoever to see the hostility in this thread. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 04:04 PM |
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I hope we can agree to disagree on this. |
ThomCat |
Dec-06-06 04:20 PM |
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I don't know. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 04:34 PM |
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I can agree, to an extent |
ThomCat |
Dec-06-06 04:48 PM |
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I can agree with some of that. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 05:05 PM |
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"most Christians have not been so polite to non-christians" |
ThomCat |
Dec-06-06 05:23 PM |
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Aren't you basing some harsh conclusions and judgements on the "Christian majority" arguement? |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 06:16 PM |
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I don't see the hostility you keep referring to. |
ThomCat |
Dec-06-06 06:30 PM |
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It's not my business to set standards for making judgements. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 06:54 PM |
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Some corrections |
ThomCat |
Dec-06-06 07:07 PM |
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Well, I guess it's time to end this mini-thread. |
speedoo |
Dec-06-06 07:24 PM |
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Must agree to your allusion to "reverse discrimination." |
blondeatlast |
Dec-06-06 05:14 PM |
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That must have been a bit painful |
ThomCat |
Dec-06-06 05:26 PM |
#154 |
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Exactly |
Connonym |
Dec-06-06 08:21 PM |
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Indeed they do--and I AM Christian. My sense of humor and faith are sturdy enough |
blondeatlast |
Dec-06-06 04:06 PM |
#141 |
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Yikes. |
janesez |
Dec-07-06 11:30 AM |
#167 |
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Amen. And amen. |
dbaker41 |
Dec-06-06 04:23 PM |
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You've authored an excellent thread, Aristus. Congrats! n/t |
jarab |
Dec-06-06 07:15 PM |
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Excellent discussion |
gfindu |
Dec-07-06 01:59 PM |
#168 |
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Jesus never denounced abortion. |
ih8thegop |
Dec-07-06 09:56 PM |
#172 |
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