jobycom
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Sat Dec-02-06 09:46 AM
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There's no such thing as a "whiff" of cigarette smoke. It burns, it hurts, and it's deadly. A person who smokes where another human being can inhale it has no regard for human life. Drunk driving causes 17000 deaths a year, second hand cigarette smoke causes (using lowball estimates) 26000 deaths a year. That's in non-smokers. Some estimates say the number is closer to 70,000. I frankly don't care what smokers do to themselves, but they are dying at over 400,000 a year.
How many baseball bat murders were there last year?
If a major corporation built a plant that spewed the same toxic crap into the air, killing its neighbors, every liberal and a few conservatives would scream for it to be shut down and those responsible prosecuted. But the tobacco industry and corporations spend so much money buying Congresscritters that smokers can hide in denial and argue that it is their "right." THere should be no right to kill other people. Smoking alone--that's cool, you aren't hurting anyone but yourself. But smoking around other people should be illegal. Not every puff of smoke kills someone, obviously, but the cumulative effect of it being impossible to get away from smoke does.
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| -Scott's Lawn Company Fires Worker For Smoking (OFF The Job) |
matcom |
Nov-30-06 09:15 AM |
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I seem to remember a Michigan company a couple years ago |
AllegroRondo |
Nov-30-06 09:19 AM |
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Hold it. They are drug testing grass cutters now? |
underpants |
Nov-30-06 09:26 AM |
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Of course. Do you want some reefer mad dude crashing into your trees, |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 09:30 AM |
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Bosses are now cops. Didn't you get the memo? |
Deep13 |
Nov-30-06 10:17 AM |
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He wasn't a grass cutter |
jmowreader |
Nov-30-06 02:57 PM |
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This is wrong. Nicotine is not illegal. Unless he lied about it an insurance form, they |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 09:27 AM |
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Naw.. |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 09:33 AM |
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I am no fan of smoking. I think it stinks up a room or a car. So, yes, ban it from |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 09:39 AM |
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I have no problem paying higher insurance.. |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 09:48 AM |
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Sorry, no, that won't cut it. There are reams of data on the health effects of smoking. Not so |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 10:11 AM |
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Sorry, I guess my point didn't come across |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 10:14 AM |
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Eh? |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Nov-30-06 01:26 PM |
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Hmm. Well I didn't say that. Your words, not mine. Your point is? |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 02:08 PM |
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I quit smoking in the past six months. |
xmas74 |
Nov-30-06 04:53 PM |
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I believe healthcare costs are driven up more by non-exercisers |
Skittles |
Nov-30-06 10:55 AM |
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Again it is a question of monitoring so it is a non starter even if your claim is |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 11:17 AM |
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In other word, |
Blue-Jay |
Nov-30-06 06:35 PM |
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You should try it |
GirlinContempt |
Dec-02-06 11:06 AM |
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That is scary |
OhioBlues |
Nov-30-06 09:29 AM |
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Oh well |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 09:30 AM |
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Oh come on. |
jobycom |
Nov-30-06 10:18 AM |
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You're right |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 10:23 AM |
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Yeah, prohibition works great |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Nov-30-06 01:23 PM |
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So, what, you think we should end prohibition on murder, rape, robbery |
jobycom |
Dec-01-06 12:14 PM |
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OH My God...You think like I do... |
YellowRubberDuckie |
Nov-30-06 05:22 PM |
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jobycom |
Dec-01-06 12:09 PM |
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Well no - most here are not "applauding this type of thing." So you are pulling a straw man there. |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 10:27 AM |
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I said "more and more people" are applauding |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 10:41 AM |
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Not sure that most people would applaud banning smoking outside of the workplace and public |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 10:46 AM |
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Enough with the straw man. That phrase is overused and a cop out |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 11:30 AM |
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I think it is a good term. Sorry you disagree. |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 01:56 PM |
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Good luck in the war on saving the world |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 02:15 PM |
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How you "live your life" can have an impact on other people if you are smoking carelessly. |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 02:39 PM |
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Exactly |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 02:45 PM |
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Hmm. I don't think you are taking it the way I meant it. I meant that the |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 02:48 PM |
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I'm afraid I don't know what examples you are talking about |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 03:05 PM |
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Not sure I was commenting on which ones would affect you specifically but anyway |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 04:42 PM |
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He didn't say "most," he said "more and more" |
petronius |
Nov-30-06 02:05 PM |
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Thank you |
johnnie |
Nov-30-06 02:10 PM |
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You're welcome. Actually, you said it quite clearly in #33, I just like to |
petronius |
Nov-30-06 02:35 PM |
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I sided with the smoker in this case. But I do think that smokers have brought |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 02:46 PM |
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There was a time |
brook |
Dec-01-06 12:49 AM |
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Well, most of the butts have been coming out of car windows in traffic, so I do not give smokers a |
yellowcanine |
Dec-01-06 10:32 AM |
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If dog owners |
brook |
Dec-01-06 11:03 AM |
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My brother is a non-smoker who works in a bar |
skygazer |
Nov-30-06 04:53 PM |
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While I am not a fan of smoking, it's going way too far for a company |
QMPMom |
Nov-30-06 09:41 AM |
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Not the School Board! Anything but that! |
pokerfan |
Nov-30-06 07:24 PM |
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If the school board requires that they should buy him a couple extra suits. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-01-06 12:07 PM |
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Cool. This case pits two of my strongest outrages against each other. |
jobycom |
Nov-30-06 10:10 AM |
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I hope to God you're sarcastic about this part of your post: |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Nov-30-06 11:08 PM |
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No. |
jobycom |
Dec-01-06 12:08 PM |
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You're seriously comparing smoking with assault and attempted murder? |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-01-06 06:19 PM |
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Absolutely. |
jobycom |
Dec-02-06 09:46 AM |
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Where do I start... |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-02-06 10:58 AM |
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What if he inhaled it second hand at a bar? |
mainegreen |
Nov-30-06 10:15 AM |
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another question crossed my mind |
matcom |
Nov-30-06 10:16 AM |
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good point - or nicotine gum. If he had a prescription he would probably be |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 10:31 AM |
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Scott's Lawn Chemicals Service is worried about smokers? |
Gormy Cuss |
Nov-30-06 10:32 AM |
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no shit |
Kali |
Nov-30-06 06:28 PM |
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This needs to end up with a huge pay-out. |
ThomCat |
Nov-30-06 10:43 AM |
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Another good reason to take Health Insurance out of Private hands |
new_beawr |
Nov-30-06 10:50 AM |
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Well yes, and then tax the hell out of all risky behaviors and put the tax money into the |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 11:20 AM |
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How would you keep pre-existing conditions and |
ThomCat |
Nov-30-06 04:44 PM |
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If we had a single-payer system, pre-existing conditions do not come up. |
yellowcanine |
Dec-01-06 10:40 AM |
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You're being sarcastic, right? Geez, I hope so... |
benEzra |
Dec-01-06 11:06 AM |
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smoking |
Parche |
Nov-30-06 10:52 AM |
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Excellent! n/t |
Connonym |
Nov-30-06 11:01 AM |
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Employers who think one's off hours are their business need to |
acmavm |
Nov-30-06 11:03 AM |
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Absolutely ridiculous |
cwydro |
Nov-30-06 11:04 AM |
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Mind-boggling hypocrisy.... |
Zookeeper |
Nov-30-06 02:06 PM |
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Well, to be fair, they aren't recommending smoking the 2,4 - D. |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-06 04:50 PM |
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This hiring policy SHOULD be challenged - and found unlawful. |
Left Is Write |
Nov-30-06 02:39 PM |
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wow. |
ChoralScholar |
Nov-30-06 02:46 PM |
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There's an insurance company in Michigan |
ikojo |
Nov-30-06 07:03 PM |
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Simple recourse |
Oeditpus Rex |
Nov-30-06 07:13 PM |
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