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18. I feel no shame in being a meat-eater.
You spend enough time going hungry as a kid, you start appreciating food wherever it might come from.

My views on animal rights are mixed. I don't support using animals for cosmetic testing at all, but I fully support animal research for medical purposes. I don't particularly *like* the big industrial farms, but I understand why they exist. I get pretty PO'd at the local crazies who show pictures of horribly deformed and mutilated animals to little kids in order to scare them away from eating meat--but I feel the exact same repulsion and anger toward to anti-choice crazies who show kids photographs of aborted fetuses. I don't like people traumatizing my kid. *shrugs*

I've taken the life of an animal that I intended to eat. I worked for several years in a poultry production plant, and saw precisely what the process was for killing chickens and turkeys. I know where my meat comes from. But I don't find it offensive enough to stop eating meat. More power to the ones who do--their bodies, their choice. My choice is my own, and I refuse to accept the notion that some people have more sophisticated "morals" than I do simply because they don't eat meat and I do.

If my son chooses on his own to become a vegetarian or vegan someday, I'll support him. I'll make sure to have appropriate foods available at family dinners, and I'll respect and defend his choice. But I'll also be absolutely sure that he understands that such respect has to be mutual.

There is nothing I despise more than someone attempting to impose their personal morality upon me.
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  -I have never been an animal rights kinda guy Taverner  Nov-16-06 02:05 PM   #0 
  - ..  Revolutionary_Acts04   Nov-16-06 02:06 PM   #1 
  - I must be bad - I didn't even get a full elipse  Taverner   Nov-16-06 02:08 PM   #2 
  - Evil  Revolutionary_Acts04   Nov-16-06 02:11 PM   #9 
     - Does it have real simulated butter on it?  Taverner   Nov-16-06 02:13 PM   #13 
        - No, icky.  Revolutionary_Acts04   Nov-16-06 02:14 PM   #15 
  - I think I will scoot up a chair and join you....  pdx_prog   Nov-16-06 02:09 PM   #5 
     - By all means, I'll get the big bag  Revolutionary_Acts04   Nov-16-06 02:13 PM   #12 
  - Humans are, generally, assholes.  janesez   Nov-16-06 02:08 PM   #3 
  - I dunno about animals being innocent  Taverner   Nov-16-06 02:09 PM   #6 
     - Me neither.  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-16-06 02:11 PM   #7 
        - In truth, I contradict myself by my subject  Taverner   Nov-16-06 02:12 PM   #11 
        - and reason  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 02:13 PM   #14 
           - But raccoons have opposable thumbs  Taverner   Nov-16-06 02:16 PM   #16 
           - and they don't taste half bad either!  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 02:16 PM   #17 
           - Even with their opposable thumbs, raccoons still can't work a cell phone very well...  kmla   Nov-16-06 03:30 PM   #58 
           - It's the math part that seperates us.  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-16-06 02:31 PM   #21 
        - We're good at weasling out of things. that's what separates us from the animals.  primate1   Nov-16-06 02:52 PM   #29 
  - As Dennis Leary once said...  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-16-06 02:09 PM   #4 
  - shit, it's top of the food chain for me  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 02:11 PM   #8 
  - We're only top of the food chain because of our civilization.  Kutjara   Nov-16-06 02:47 PM   #25 
  - big difference  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 02:56 PM   #33 
     - In theory, yes.  Kutjara   Nov-16-06 03:01 PM   #39 
        - you'd be surprised how much of a motivator hunger is  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 03:11 PM   #50 
  - Soylent Green!!  madinmaryland   Nov-16-06 02:59 PM   #35 
  - I will not comment on that.  RebelOne   Nov-16-06 02:12 PM   #10 
  - I feel no shame in being a meat-eater.  oktoberain   Nov-16-06 02:24 PM   #18 
  - best. post. about. this. topic. ever.  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 02:28 PM   #19 
  - Not in my experience, sorry.  baby_mouse   Nov-16-06 02:43 PM   #24 
  - Obviously you haven't been accosted by the more militant members of PETA  oktoberain   Nov-16-06 02:56 PM   #32 
     - all i gotta ask is  VforVicarious   Nov-16-06 03:01 PM   #38 
     - No. I haven't.  baby_mouse   Nov-16-06 03:14 PM   #53 
  - Ohhhhhh, reeeeallllyyyyy...broadbrush, much?  flvegan   Nov-16-06 02:50 PM   #28 
     - you proved my point  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 02:54 PM   #30 
        - No, actually  flvegan   Nov-16-06 03:02 PM   #40 
           - hard to see that through the gobs of personal attack  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 03:09 PM   #48 
  - I hear you there  Taverner   Nov-16-06 03:02 PM   #41 
  - Good post!  BikeWriter   Nov-16-06 03:20 PM   #55 
  - Logic might suggest that  flvegan   Nov-16-06 02:29 PM   #20 
  - .  Midlodemocrat   Nov-16-06 02:31 PM   #22 
  - i agree  buddhamama   Nov-16-06 02:33 PM   #23 
  - Yes, but how would that affect the farmers  oktoberain   Nov-16-06 02:48 PM   #26 
  - Hey, climb off the fucking ledge, k?  flvegan   Nov-16-06 02:59 PM   #37 
     - Most people consider opinions that are contrary to their own  oktoberain   Nov-16-06 03:03 PM   #43 
        - Batshit crazy  flvegan   Nov-16-06 03:08 PM   #47 
  - I've heard that stat  Taverner   Nov-16-06 02:55 PM   #31 
  - Hey, who said you have to?  flvegan   Nov-16-06 03:06 PM   #44 
     - Very Buddhist reply  Taverner   Nov-16-06 03:09 PM   #49 
        - Heh heh...  flvegan   Nov-16-06 03:12 PM   #51 
  - Not to pick too fine a point here, but...  Tyrone Slothrop   Nov-16-06 03:53 PM   #61 
  - I think it's possible to care a lot about both. Edit  Pithlet   Nov-16-06 02:50 PM   #27 
  - But my argument is that we can't really empically state that  Taverner   Nov-16-06 02:59 PM   #34 
     - See my edit if you didn't catch it already.  Pithlet   Nov-16-06 03:03 PM   #42 
     - Agreed. I think an emperical examination of our ethics is in order  Taverner   Nov-16-06 03:06 PM   #45 
     - Your chicken statement is untrue.  flvegan   Nov-16-06 03:16 PM   #54 
        - True - I guess the better qualifier would be  Taverner   Nov-17-06 05:01 PM   #64 
  - I want bacon  VforVicarious   Nov-16-06 02:59 PM   #36 
  - Oh yes, evil incarnate  YankeyMCC   Nov-16-06 03:08 PM   #46 
  - "I believe animals have inalienable rights in the same way humans do."  datasuspect   Nov-16-06 03:13 PM   #52 
     - Ah...Yup ;)  YankeyMCC   Nov-16-06 03:45 PM   #60 
  - I don't think you're bad...  youthere   Nov-16-06 03:25 PM   #56 
  - There is not enough beer in the world to make me post to this thread.  LeftyMom   Nov-16-06 03:26 PM   #57 
  - And if you did drink that much beer - to where you WOULD post on this thread....  kmla   Nov-16-06 03:35 PM   #59 
  - Why do you see it as such an either-or thing?  Kashka-Kat   Nov-16-06 04:14 PM   #62 
  - I have the opposite problem.  Oregonian   Nov-16-06 05:15 PM   #63 
 

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