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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 02:13 PM
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9. For the badge, the grantee has to have a 'following'
ie a staff, a business, a large estate, etc who are personally employed or supported by him. The badge is what they display or wear. Best example is the Tudor Rose worn by the Beefeaters; it's one of the badges of British monarch. You see this done wrong in films/tv all the time - soldiers wearing the coat of arms of their lord or the monarch.

Supporters are the animals, people or figures at the sides of a coat of arms. In British heraldry, only peers, large corporations and institutions, towns and cities are granted supporters. There are exceptions to indicate an unique circumstance - Princess Anne's first husband, although a commoner, was granted supporters for his arms.

Other heraldic systems may have different conventions.
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  -Anybody know anything about heraldry? Jara sang  Jul-23-06 07:54 PM   #0 
  - it's been a while since I was involved with this kind of thing ....  Lisa   Jul-23-06 08:52 PM   #1 
  - Hey, thanks for the info.  Jara sang   Jul-23-06 09:45 PM   #2 
     - if you're applying for arms or a badge ....  Lisa   Jul-23-06 09:49 PM   #3 
     - Most of the recognised heraldic organisations...  Spider Jerusalem   Jul-23-06 10:15 PM   #6 
        - plus it will take some time ...  Lisa   Jul-23-06 10:21 PM   #7 
  - A grant of arms...  Spider Jerusalem   Jul-23-06 09:55 PM   #4 
  - thanks -- I had forgotten about that  Lisa   Jul-23-06 10:04 PM   #5 
     - Is there somewhere I can read a breakdown of each component?  Jara sang   Jul-24-06 01:40 PM   #8 
        - Wikipedia's entry on heraldry is a decent primer.  Spider Jerusalem   Jul-24-06 02:21 PM   #11 
        - one of the standard sources is the Fox-Davies guide to heraldry  Lisa   Jul-24-06 04:03 PM   #13 
           - The Fox-Davies is a good source, but it's somewhat out of date.  sarge43   Jul-24-06 04:31 PM   #15 
              - thanks for the recommendation!  Lisa   Jul-24-06 05:08 PM   #19 
                 - More than welcome  sarge43   Jul-24-06 05:17 PM   #20 
                    - I'm going to see if I can get this one for my public library system  Lisa   Jul-24-06 05:36 PM   #22 
                       - Heraldry being an evolving system, I don't think there's any one  sarge43   Jul-24-06 05:59 PM   #23 
                          - Exactly ...  Lisa   Jul-24-06 06:49 PM   #24 
                             - Well, there's a big gap in the literature across the board  sarge43   Jul-24-06 07:34 PM   #25 
  - For the badge, the grantee has to have a 'following'  sarge43   Jul-24-06 02:13 PM   #9 
     - We have a famly crest from Holland--  elehhhhna   Jul-24-06 02:18 PM   #10 
        - Off the top of my head -  sarge43   Jul-24-06 02:29 PM   #12 
        - you might try contacting the Dutch consulate in your area?  Lisa   Jul-24-06 04:17 PM   #14 
           - Thank you both. All I've found so far is that a rearing hare generally re  elehhhhna   Jul-24-06 04:34 PM   #16 
           - There is a Royal Society for Genealogy and Heraldry  sarge43   Jul-24-06 04:40 PM   #17 
              - thanks for checking Fox-Davies ...  Lisa   Jul-24-06 05:00 PM   #18 
                 - Re the Hoge Raad van Adel  sarge43   Jul-24-06 05:34 PM   #21 

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