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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 08:05 AM
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15. Once upon a time
I got to talk to Bill Bruford about Topographic. Of course he wasn't on it, having already decamped for King Crimson, but he told me that when he got to hear it, he recognized a lot of bits off of Jon Anderson's Revox that had been rejected when they were writing Close to the Edge.

Several years later we did a real interview, for publication, about the mechanics of that sort of collective composition-- as he described it, four or five guys staring at each other in a rehearsal room, with a lot of blood spilled on the floor. In retrospect, although he said that those guys were incredibly lucky to accomplish what they did, he was obviously unimpressed with the principle of it: he's come around to the designated composer model, where one guy hands around sheets of manuscript paper, and everybody just plays what's written.

I was such a huge partisan of prog rock back in the day, and I still have warm and fuzzy flashes when somebody translates the word "sun" into every other Indo-European language to Mellotron accompaniment :-) Nevertheless, I now recognize that there did come a point where the desire to just throw everything but the kitchen sink into a song, and then over-ornament it to boot, overwhelmed the original idea of expanding the harmonic, rhythmic, and structural vocabularies of rock in order to make more sophisticated statements-- and Topographic might well have been that point.

At least in the annals of Yes. Then I got into Henry Cow.
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  -Can You Top This Prog-Rock Hell? swag  Apr-13-06 12:56 AM   #0 
  - SOFT MACHINE-Theatre De La Musique 1970...  bridgit   Apr-13-06 01:01 AM   #1 
  - That certainly bests my entry.  swag   Apr-13-06 11:06 AM   #42 
  - Soft Machine RULES! But not as a ho-hum jazz fusion band  jpgray   Apr-13-06 12:09 PM   #50 
  - Sure can  Susang   Apr-13-06 01:10 AM   #2 
  - Is that Rick Wakeman in the front?  bob_weaver   Apr-13-06 01:18 AM   #3 
  - Looks like the bastard child of lite opera  XemaSab   Apr-13-06 01:20 AM   # 
  - I'm guessing "Moody Blues, Nights in White Satin+, or Conqustador.  CanuckAmok   Apr-13-06 01:22 AM   #6 
  - Nope  Susang   Apr-13-06 01:43 AM   #7 
     - Keep in mind, Wakeman was stupid drunk during the 70s.  bbernardini   Apr-13-06 07:23 AM   #11 
     - Sure, hindsight is 20/20  Susang   Apr-13-06 10:34 AM   #34 
     - That's just........ I............. er.............. Why didn't............  CanuckAmok   Apr-13-06 11:03 AM   #41 
     - It's too mind-numbing to believe  Susang   Apr-13-06 12:07 PM   #49 
     - OMG  flamingyouth   Apr-13-06 12:36 PM   #61 
  - I'll see your Rick Wakeman  SerpentX   Apr-13-06 05:25 AM   #8 
  - There's another one I like  MissMillie   Apr-13-06 07:35 AM   #13 
  - Once upon a time  Squeech   Apr-13-06 08:05 AM   #15 
     - and then there was the drug part  tigereye   Apr-13-06 10:20 AM   #29 
        - Good point  Squeech   Apr-13-06 10:56 AM   #40 
           - well, your post inspired me to think about that stuff as well  tigereye   Apr-13-06 11:06 AM   #43 
              - My pleasure!  Squeech   Apr-13-06 11:44 AM   #48 
                 - such is the beauty of DU  tigereye   Apr-13-06 05:02 PM   #79 
  - yeah, but that's just the album  tigereye   Apr-13-06 10:14 AM   #26 
  - Heh heh, nice "cape", Ricky  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 05:06 PM   #80 
  - Journey to the Center of the Earth was cool...  WCGreen   Apr-13-06 05:30 PM   #83 
  - Is part 2 the slower, quiet part? I can't remember. I liked the slow part.  bob_weaver   Apr-13-06 01:19 AM   #4 
  - No  Squeech   Apr-13-06 08:23 AM   #16 
     - Oh yeah. That was way overplayed on the radio in the late 1970s. The 2nd  bob_weaver   Apr-13-06 09:07 AM   #21 
        - ELP did some great stuff  tigereye   Apr-13-06 10:24 AM   #30 
           - IMHO, ELP released 2 classics (1st album and BSS)  Mike Daniels   Apr-13-06 12:13 PM   #51 
  - If you mean hell, Yes' "Tormato" album was just a big splat.  bob_weaver   Apr-13-06 01:20 AM   #5 
  - I liked it  MissMillie   Apr-13-06 07:27 AM   #12 
     - I liked that album, too. I even saw them on the "Tormato" tour!  driver8   Apr-15-06 12:04 AM   #96 
  - based on a theme of SerpentX = Jethro Tull - Isle Of Wight 1970  bridgit   Apr-13-06 05:33 AM   #9 
  - A good example that proves Tull was not prog-rock  notmypresident   Apr-13-06 10:48 AM   #39 
     - Agreed. And Tull mostly pulled it off rather well  Mike Daniels   Apr-13-06 12:17 PM   #54 
  - Don't forget  Squeech   Apr-13-06 05:36 AM   #10 
  - I love Triumvirat and Starcastle  B3Nut   Apr-13-06 08:33 AM   #17 
  - Actually  Squeech   Apr-13-06 09:57 AM   #24 
     - Thijs van Leer...  B3Nut   Apr-13-06 10:19 AM   #28 
        - Camel  Squeech   Apr-13-06 11:30 AM   #47 
           - Larry Young was out there  B3Nut   Apr-13-06 12:14 PM   #53 
              - Cultural values  Squeech   Apr-13-06 01:24 PM   #72 
                 - Thanks for the link!  B3Nut   Apr-13-06 02:06 PM   #73 
                 - What you guys think of PFM and Le Orme?  HughBeaumont   Apr-14-06 11:27 PM   #91 
  - I'll add Marillion (Genesis wannabe)  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-06 10:18 AM   #27 
     - Oh, man.  swag   Apr-13-06 02:13 PM   # 
  - Easy,.....anything by SAGA!  Tripper11   Apr-13-06 07:44 AM   #14 
  - Hell? That was great!  B3Nut   Apr-13-06 08:40 AM   #18 
  - I generally find, as a rule, that progrock = hell  progmom   Apr-13-06 08:53 AM   #19 
  - but it's excess helped spawn punk! ;)  tigereye   Apr-13-06 10:27 AM   #31 
  - A flower?  XNASA   Apr-13-06 08:56 AM   #20 
  - Now that was uncalled for.  swag   Apr-13-06 09:23 AM   #22 
     - you asked for it!  tigereye   Apr-13-06 10:28 AM   #32 
  - GG:  regularguy   Apr-13-06 09:51 AM   #23 
  - "2112" by Rush  asthmaticeog   Apr-13-06 10:01 AM   #25 
  - You're always here to rain on my parade  eyepaddle   Apr-13-06 10:37 AM   #35 
     - Don't get me wrong, I like Rush...  asthmaticeog   Apr-13-06 10:45 AM   #37 
        - If you don't hear from me in a few miuntes I'll be on the Train  eyepaddle   Apr-13-06 11:19 AM   #45 
        - International incident!  CanuckAmok   Apr-14-06 09:38 PM   #88 
  - but he is/was? a great keyboardist!  tigereye   Apr-13-06 10:31 AM   #33 
  - Look, I really liked them when I was in high school.  swag   Apr-13-06 10:43 AM   #36 
  - well, when one of my young punk friends who likes prog-metal  tigereye   Apr-13-06 10:46 AM   #38 
  - My first major concert was ELPs first tour  seemunkee   Apr-13-06 11:10 AM   #44 
  - Karn Evil 9 RAWKS!!!!  Taverner   Apr-13-06 11:21 AM   #46 
  - Only decent thing to come from Cumbersome, Flake and Embalmer  jpgray   Apr-13-06 12:13 PM   #52 
     - Oh, there's more  B3Nut   Apr-13-06 12:18 PM   #55 
     - crap  tigereye   Apr-13-06 05:07 PM   #81 
  - I always wondered how they managed to play  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 12:20 PM   #56 
  - Ask swag to post the img of the Armadillo tank ejaculating  jpgray   Apr-13-06 12:22 PM   #57 
     - Good old Tarkus  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 12:28 PM   #59 
     - .  swag   Apr-13-06 12:38 PM   #63 
        - Atsa boy!  jpgray   Apr-13-06 12:39 PM   #64 
           - ROFL!!!!  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 12:41 PM   #65 
           - I'm tempted to make jokes about your conception JP  tigereye   Apr-13-06 05:08 PM   #82 
  - Hawkwind -- Silver Machine (not quite prog, but close)  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 12:27 PM   #58 
  - I love Lemmy-era Hawkwind  flamingyouth   Apr-13-06 12:33 PM   #60 
  - Yeah, I just found that one-- GREAT performance  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 12:38 PM   #62 
     - Yeah, that would be excellent  flamingyouth   Apr-13-06 12:42 PM   #67 
  - Oooohhhh MAN! That was awesome!  eyepaddle   Apr-13-06 12:41 PM   #66 
  - How about Hawkwind's "Images"? Not *that's* progish.  CanuckAmok   Apr-14-06 09:30 PM   #86 
     - Good point  no name no slogan   Apr-14-06 09:32 PM   #87 
        - No, I meant the song "Images"...  CanuckAmok   Apr-14-06 09:43 PM   #89 
           - Was that Simon House doing the violin solo?  no name no slogan   Apr-14-06 11:34 PM   #92 
              - I don't know...  CanuckAmok   Apr-14-06 11:59 PM   #95 
  - What's a progrock wank-a-thon without Gabriel-era Genesis  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 12:45 PM   #68 
  - Nobody ever mentions Steve Hackett, but  eyepaddle   Apr-13-06 12:55 PM   #70 
  - I read that in a bio on him  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 02:34 PM   #78 
  - I was in the audience for the last Gabriel/Genesis show in North America..  XNASA   Apr-13-06 02:07 PM   #74 
     - Wow, that would have been cool  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 02:13 PM   #75 
     - Nothing can cause us to part, hear me O Gods  Squeech   Apr-13-06 02:27 PM   #76 
     - Gabriel is the best  nytemare   Apr-14-06 09:15 PM   #85 
  - Oh no, it's MARILLION!  swag   Apr-13-06 12:54 PM   #69 
  - The only "Fish Kill" I could agree to  no name no slogan   Apr-13-06 01:23 PM   #71 
  - "Teakbois" by "Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman & Howe," A.K.A. Yes  Bush_Eats_Beef   Apr-13-06 02:31 PM   #77 
  - Okay, BEB, I gotta know so fess up...  jmowreader   Apr-14-06 08:07 PM   #84 
  - The album was very ho-hum.......  CrownPrinceBandar   Apr-14-06 10:53 PM   #90 
  - I have the VHS tape of the making of this album.  HughBeaumont   Apr-14-06 11:36 PM   #93 
  - Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh by Magma.  HughBeaumont   Apr-14-06 11:43 PM   #94 

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