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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:01 AM
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48. Excellent post!
I think that there is a difference between people who have children when they are not well-off (and let's be fair--this is MOST people, in the US and in the world) and people who are playing the system. Taking a little assistance (like yourself, I had healthcare for myself and my daughter because of our financial situation that I would not have had if we had more money) is not a sign of unworthiness.

Plenty of people with loads of money treat their kids like garbage... as long as your kids have food to eat and clothes to wear and a soft place to fall--you are doing your job.
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  -Are we bound to an ethical duty to have $ to raise a child ere having one? Rabrrrrrr  Mar-24-06 11:02 PM   #0 
  - Sounds like a utopian idea to me!  tjdee   Mar-24-06 11:08 PM   #1 
  - An interesting question I hadn't considered...  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-24-06 11:10 PM   #2 
     - Also, why assume that the only "means" one has is financial?  tjdee   Mar-24-06 11:18 PM   #3 
        - Another good question, but one I'm not asking in this thread.  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-24-06 11:30 PM   #4 
  - These are dangerous waters  XemaSab   Mar-24-06 11:36 PM   #5 
  - Yes, and I said specifically in my post that I am not talking about  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-24-06 11:42 PM   #6 
     - I think too often people confuse money  XemaSab   Mar-24-06 11:49 PM   #7 
        - And again, that's something I'm not talking about at all.  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-24-06 11:50 PM   #8 
           - Going back and reading the OP  XemaSab   Mar-24-06 11:54 PM   #10 
  - It's not that easy.  Floogeldy   Mar-24-06 11:53 PM   #9 
  - All desire is controllable. To say otherwise is to offer an excuse.  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-24-06 11:55 PM   #11 
  - BTW, this post is an attack on welfare.  Floogeldy   Mar-24-06 11:56 PM   #12 
  - Define 'welfare'  HypnoToad   Mar-25-06 08:23 AM   #41 
     - I can say this . . . .  Floogeldy   Mar-25-06 08:49 PM   #91 
  - No, "we" are not bound to wait for the $  Nicole   Mar-25-06 12:06 AM   #13 
  - GD is upstairs and to the left  Droopy   Mar-25-06 12:09 AM   #14 
  - I've never responded to you at all on this thread.  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 12:13 AM   #15 
  - Well,  Droopy   Mar-25-06 12:21 AM   #20 
  - I don't see how you came to that, Droopy.  CanuckAmok   Mar-25-06 12:39 AM   #24 
     - Do you think  Droopy   Mar-25-06 12:44 AM   #25 
        - Well, if you're asking *me*...  CanuckAmok   Mar-25-06 12:51 AM   #26 
           - I can understand that  Droopy   Mar-25-06 12:56 AM   #27 
  - I had my daughter when I was not really...  Katherine Brengle   Mar-25-06 12:14 AM   #16 
  - I agree with that. I found myself pregnant while working temp jobs and  radwriter0555   Mar-25-06 12:26 AM   #22 
     - Excellent post!  Katherine Brengle   Mar-25-06 09:01 AM   #48 
  - So basically you're against rednecks breeding?  Revolutionary_Acts04   Mar-25-06 12:16 AM   #17 
  - I try not to use the word "rednecks"  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-25-06 12:34 PM   #79 
  - It's actually a very good question..  Zenzic   Mar-25-06 12:17 AM   #18 
  - Well, if a teen has a baby, do you think they should be punished for not  radwriter0555   Mar-25-06 12:18 AM   #19 
  - Here's a utopian idea...  CanuckAmok   Mar-25-06 12:37 AM   #23 
  - Wow - you didn't really read my post, did you?  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 01:47 AM   #29 
  - lol you didn't read my answer!  radwriter0555   Mar-25-06 02:03 AM   #30 
     - I did read your answer, and it was an answer to a question I didn't ask,  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 09:00 AM   #47 
        - You're right, I didn't answer it properly... you're entirely correct... so  radwriter0555   Mar-25-06 12:18 PM   #77 
  - Accidents are not always so rare  Alleycat   Mar-25-06 12:47 PM   #80 
     - Well apparently she found something she's good at... having kids.. It may  radwriter0555   Mar-25-06 05:04 PM   #88 
        - .  rug   Mar-25-06 06:42 PM   #89 
  - My school board had this programme...  CanuckAmok   Mar-25-06 12:25 AM   #21 
  - You can rarely "afford" a child, because there are no "generic children"  SoCalDem   Mar-25-06 01:02 AM   #28 
  - Correct.  Iniquitous Bunny   Mar-25-06 05:41 AM   #33 
  - I think if most people waited until they were financially capable  fishwax   Mar-25-06 02:26 AM   #31 
  - Interesting question  Iniquitous Bunny   Mar-25-06 05:29 AM   #32 
  - Do We Have An Ethical Duty To Have the $ To Care For a Pet if We Have One?  REP   Mar-25-06 05:42 AM   #34 
  - Good analogy!  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 08:45 AM   #43 
  - So would we eliminate student loans? If you can't afford to  HopeLives   Mar-25-06 06:34 AM   #35 
  - I think most people would agree with your basic point ...  Laelth   Mar-25-06 06:58 AM   #36 
  - A child can have a good life, even without a lot of money.  philosophie_en_rose   Mar-25-06 08:04 AM   #37 
  - Yes. Money compensates for factors in the wild.  HypnoToad   Mar-25-06 08:14 AM   #38 
  - Stupid, classist question.  rug   Mar-25-06 08:21 AM   #39 
  - "Begs the larger question"  Boojatta   Mar-25-06 02:26 PM   #83 
  - Have you seen this one?  rug   Mar-25-06 02:37 PM   #85 
     - It is self-described as "a thoroughly uninteresting Web site."  Boojatta   Mar-25-06 02:55 PM   #86 
  - ?  Boojatta   Mar-25-06 02:26 PM   #84 
  - so, what? you want we should just starve all those poor kids?  anarch   Mar-25-06 08:23 AM   #40 
  - Egads! And your question is even more dastardly than mine!  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 08:53 AM   #45 
  - Yes, all of us do  new_beawr   Mar-25-06 08:26 AM   #42 
  - That's a brilliant question!  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 08:56 AM   #46 
  - Are we talking basic needs or $100 brand name shoes?  miss_american_pie   Mar-25-06 08:47 AM   #44 
  - I believe that you should accept the consequences  Alleycat   Mar-25-06 09:03 AM   #49 
  - This is an interesting question.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-25-06 09:12 AM   #50 
  - I read a science fiction story once  China_cat   Mar-25-06 09:46 AM   #51 
  - I would feel ethically obligated but  paul_fromatlanta   Mar-25-06 09:53 AM   #52 
  - DOE - $80 billion for student loans in 2006. The taxpayers could save  HopeLives   Mar-25-06 10:06 AM   #53 
  - And only the rich would be educated.  rug   Mar-25-06 10:34 AM   #54 
     - Only the rich would have kids according to this logic. n/t  HopeLives   Mar-25-06 10:39 AM   #55 
        - Not neccesarily  Alleycat   Mar-25-06 10:46 AM   #58 
        - According to what logic? What logical system in this thread  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 11:06 AM   #60 
           - It's a logical extension of the argument that it is unethical to have  HopeLives   Mar-25-06 11:28 AM   #64 
              - College is not the parents responsibility  Alleycat   Mar-25-06 11:42 AM   #68 
              - And I don't include that as part of the responsibility of a parent.  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 11:42 AM   #69 
                 - I don't think a parent's responsibility stops at HS graduation.  HopeLives   Mar-25-06 03:32 PM   #87 
  - No, and to suggest so is ridiculous  JustDoIt   Mar-25-06 10:43 AM   #56 
  - Do you draw line anywhere?  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 11:10 AM   #62 
     - Well good thing that you are just a tiny minority  JustDoIt   Mar-25-06 11:26 AM   #63 
        - Wow. I'm anti-children. I never knew that.  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 11:37 AM   #66 
           - So  JustDoIt   Mar-25-06 11:43 AM   #70 
           - I could likely be that person - I don't think we should get tax  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 11:44 AM   #71 
              - Those children  JustDoIt   Mar-25-06 11:45 AM   #72 
                 - Wow, nice non sequitor.  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 11:46 AM   #73 
           - I'll back you up on that one.  xmas74   Mar-25-06 12:11 PM   #74 
              - Thanks! I am most definitely very PRO-child,  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 12:15 PM   #76 
                 - You are quite welcome!  xmas74   Mar-25-06 12:25 PM   #78 
  - As individuals yes,  supernova   Mar-25-06 10:45 AM   #57 
  - Am I too late for popcorn?  Hardhead   Mar-25-06 10:49 AM   #59 
  - Apart from a couple here, this thread has remained popcorn free,  Rabrrrrrr   Mar-25-06 11:08 AM   #61 
  - It depends on what your idea of "enough "is  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-25-06 11:35 AM   #65 
  - I think the welfare of the child should be first thing on the mind of  nytemare   Mar-25-06 11:41 AM   #67 
  - It sounds good in theory, but...  Left Is Write   Mar-25-06 12:12 PM   #75 
  - So many thoughts come to mind here  TallahasseeGrannie   Mar-25-06 12:54 PM   #81 
  - If we all waited to have children when we could 'afford' it  RadFemFL   Mar-25-06 01:59 PM   #82 
  - No, Absolutely Not  Crisco   Mar-25-06 06:50 PM   #90 
  - to have children without being able to afford college for them  lionesspriyanka   Mar-25-06 08:51 PM   #92 
  - Don't forget Graduate School.  rug   Mar-25-06 09:02 PM   #94 
     - nope my morality limit is college  lionesspriyanka   Mar-25-06 09:05 PM   #95 
  - No, you muddle along and do the best you can. That's the human  Redstone   Mar-25-06 08:53 PM   #93 
 

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