| 123. I think we attract our spiritual equivalent. |
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Or, more simply, someone who is as fucked up (or as sane) as we are. Men and women may manifest thier sickness differently (some women may be more masochistic and men sadistic, although I have seen the reverse quite often as well) but the bottom line is that healthy people will attract healthy people.
Personally, I don't want someone to "act nice" or to act at all. I want someone who IS nice and doesn't have to put on a show to prove it.
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| -I finally have women figured out!!! |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 04:53 AM |
#0 |
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its called nice guy syndrome |
GoPsUx |
Nov-19-05 05:03 AM |
#1 |
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But I'm fun, too! |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 05:07 AM |
#2 |
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More like, if a guy is being nice they must be "up to something" |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-19-05 05:08 AM |
#3 |
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What the fuck!!! I'm not up to anything! |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 05:12 AM |
#4 |
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Isn't that what every guy is up to? |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-19-05 05:14 AM |
#6 |
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Well, of course. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 05:20 AM |
#8 |
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It's nice to know there are guys out there who feel that way |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-19-05 05:23 AM |
#9 |
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Nice for you! |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 05:26 AM |
#10 |
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Well, technically it doesn't matter to me |
BuffyTheFundieSlayer |
Nov-19-05 05:28 AM |
#11 |
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Some women do like jerks. (many don't). |
philosophie_en_rose |
Nov-19-05 10:00 AM |
#82 |
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I've seen that too. Taming the savage beast, as it were. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 10:04 AM |
#83 |
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There's that, but I think it's worse with her. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Nov-19-05 09:25 PM |
#173 |
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It's paradoxical, to be sure. |
Arkana |
Nov-19-05 12:30 PM |
#100 |
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Sylvia Plath quoting Friedrich Nietzsche |
wicasa |
Nov-19-05 01:28 PM |
#119 |
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Deep down, women hate themselves |
DiverDave |
Nov-19-05 05:13 AM |
#5 |
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thanks |
salin |
Nov-19-05 06:20 AM |
#14 |
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no, becasue then these guys would have to admit that they are choosing |
bettyellen |
Nov-19-05 09:02 AM |
#67 |
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or perhaps that their version of "being nice" |
salin |
Nov-19-05 09:18 AM |
#73 |
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or even more common, when they think shallow compliments and buying |
bettyellen |
Nov-19-05 09:51 AM |
#80 |
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You nailed it, too. |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 05:58 AM |
#180 |
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You nailed it. |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 05:57 AM |
#179 |
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I think... |
fudge stripe cookays |
Nov-19-05 05:07 PM |
#161 |
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Sounds like Diverdave digs women who hate themselves |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 06:00 AM |
#181 |
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I agree completely. nt |
raccoon |
Nov-21-05 08:07 AM |
#206 |
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People who are fucked in the head usually attract |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 06:11 AM |
#182 |
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So true. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-19-05 05:18 AM |
#7 |
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Guess you got burned. |
AirmensMom |
Nov-19-05 06:15 AM |
#12 |
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heh |
salin |
Nov-19-05 06:21 AM |
#15 |
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now that belief |
salin |
Nov-19-05 06:17 AM |
#13 |
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Allright...allright. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 12:44 PM |
#107 |
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Yes, but most depressed women have serious self esteem |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-19-05 02:14 PM |
#124 |
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I don't think it's an inferiority/superiority thing |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-21-05 06:57 PM |
#221 |
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This man has women figured out and he has men figured out too: |
chknltl |
Nov-19-05 06:29 AM |
#16 |
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I would guess that he is popular with |
salin |
Nov-19-05 06:37 AM |
#17 |
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wooo-hooo |
chknltl |
Nov-19-05 06:46 AM |
#18 |
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"VERY popular with folks who want to get laid"??? |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-19-05 04:25 PM |
#158 |
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An opinion shared by many but not by myself. |
chknltl |
Nov-20-05 07:35 AM |
#192 |
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Oh, I'll be happy to tell you why I object to Tom Leykis and his |
JulieRB |
Nov-21-05 10:14 AM |
#212 |
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Well put. Leykis is nothing but a blowhard with an axe to grind against |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-21-05 01:10 PM |
#213 |
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Wow |
chknltl |
Nov-21-05 01:28 PM |
#214 |
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And your point would be? |
JulieRB |
Nov-21-05 02:43 PM |
#217 |
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not my point...your point: |
chknltl |
Nov-21-05 03:15 PM |
#219 |
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Hey, I'm a male who doesn't consider himself extremely immature |
hobo_baggins |
Nov-20-05 04:25 PM |
#201 |
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It's not a condemnation. I was there for years myself. |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-21-05 10:01 AM |
#210 |
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That's not true! |
Joan_Alpern |
Nov-19-05 06:48 AM |
#19 |
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Aww...thanks! |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 12:46 PM |
#108 |
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Sometimes I feel the same way about men. |
Joan_Alpern |
Nov-21-05 01:33 PM |
#215 |
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If you're pissed off, the think they did something wrong |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-21-05 06:42 PM |
#220 |
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I'm very easygoing so if I'm pissed off, they did do something wrong ... |
Joan_Alpern |
Nov-21-05 07:14 PM |
#222 |
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a lot of times guys come across as fake |
JI7 |
Nov-19-05 06:55 AM |
#20 |
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No I have them figured out |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 07:08 AM |
#21 |
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Spoken like a man with a real clue! |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 08:29 AM |
#35 |
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I learned the hard way |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 09:14 AM |
#71 |
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Grasshopper, you continue to give me hope for the future. |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 09:37 AM |
#74 |
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oh lord me in a lingerie store would be a disaster |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 09:45 AM |
#75 |
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She needs flexible work hours to allow her to take courses she wants. |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 09:48 AM |
#77 |
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oh we're all pretty clueless |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 09:51 AM |
#79 |
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LOL Alrighty then, she is gonna be sitting pretty |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 10:51 AM |
#91 |
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I think we attract our spiritual equivalent. |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-19-05 02:03 PM |
#123 |
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if you like yourself |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 02:53 PM |
#127 |
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smirkymonkey & tigereye, very good posts! |
bushwentawol |
Nov-19-05 03:48 PM |
#153 |
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thanks BWA |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 10:55 PM |
#174 |
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You got it, smirkymonkey. nt |
raccoon |
Nov-21-05 08:12 AM |
#207 |
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There's absolutely |
Simply Fugue |
Nov-19-05 07:32 AM |
#22 |
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its NEVER too early for... |
matcom |
Nov-19-05 07:36 AM |
#23 |
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My watch must be running fast. |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:21 AM |
#26 |
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i think daylight savings time threw us off |
matcom |
Nov-19-05 08:24 AM |
#29 |
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It's time we did away with DST. |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:26 AM |
#30 |
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no. |
matcom |
Nov-19-05 08:30 AM |
#36 |
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if we invite zomby |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:33 AM |
#42 |
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Maybe we can combine the fried chicken and the boiled ribs flamewars. |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:36 AM |
#49 |
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only if the "Definition of chef" flamewar can be thrown in as well |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:39 AM |
#52 |
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"Culinary Flame War Thursday" |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:41 AM |
#54 |
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microwave, stovetop or popper? |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:42 AM |
#56 |
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Hey! It's not Thursday! |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:45 AM |
#58 |
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dang anticipation is getting the best of me. |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:49 AM |
#60 |
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Thanks for the Carly earworm. |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:51 AM |
#61 |
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catsup or ketchup? |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:57 AM |
#63 |
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!! |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:59 AM |
#64 |
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OK, as long as it's in the morning. |
GOPisEvil |
Nov-19-05 08:35 AM |
#46 |
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When's the next "breastfeeding in public" one scheduled for? |
Arkana |
Nov-19-05 12:32 PM |
#102 |
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sign me up for that one |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 02:55 PM |
#128 |
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You guys want some milk & sugar with your, ahem, corn puffs? |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 08:33 AM |
#43 |
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I finally have men figured out!!! |
Misunderestimator |
Nov-19-05 07:56 AM |
#24 |
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shhhhh |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 08:23 AM |
#28 |
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Hey... weren't you going to stay out of this thread? |
Misunderestimator |
Nov-19-05 08:35 AM |
#44 |
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I become emboldened when my friends show up |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 08:36 AM |
#48 |
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LOL |
Misunderestimator |
Nov-19-05 08:36 AM |
#50 |
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never miss an opportunity |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 08:39 AM |
#53 |
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Yep, you do have some potential in politics |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 09:47 AM |
#76 |
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aren't they pretty much the same thing nowadays? |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 09:52 AM |
#81 |
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Can I get a rimshot for WB? My snare drum is in the shop |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 10:52 AM |
#92 |
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You got it... |
Misunderestimator |
Nov-19-05 11:02 AM |
#93 |
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ha! |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 09:11 PM |
#172 |
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There You Go! The Real Truth Is Here! |
Joan_Alpern |
Nov-19-05 08:27 AM |
#31 |
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:) |
Misunderestimator |
Nov-19-05 09:50 AM |
#78 |
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I've always been a nice guy & have married two babes |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-19-05 08:09 AM |
#25 |
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are you serious? |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 08:22 AM |
#27 |
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yes, I'm serious |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-19-05 08:28 AM |
#33 |
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does she have twin or a sister that's available? |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 08:31 AM |
#38 |
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yes 2 master's degrees |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-19-05 08:33 AM |
#40 |
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no kidding |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 08:35 AM |
#45 |
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you might have to wait a bit |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-19-05 09:00 AM |
#66 |
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hey, I like housework |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 09:07 AM |
#69 |
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she does have a cousin from Shanghai then! |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-19-05 09:14 AM |
#70 |
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I'm down either way |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 09:17 AM |
#72 |
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... |
Arkana |
Nov-19-05 12:34 PM |
#105 |
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thanks, I know I'm very lucky |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-19-05 12:39 PM |
#106 |
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The Time to Be 'Nice' Is *After* You've Figured Out What You Want And ... |
Crisco |
Nov-19-05 08:27 AM |
#32 |
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Spoken like a chap with a history of attraction to the wrong women. |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 08:28 AM |
#34 |
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yeah, what she said |
Wetzelbill |
Nov-19-05 08:32 AM |
#39 |
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Exactly, havocmom! And the same could be said for women |
raccoon |
Nov-19-05 10:14 AM |
#85 |
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That ol defination of insanity applies... |
havocmom |
Nov-19-05 12:33 PM |
#103 |
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See post 107 |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 12:49 PM |
#109 |
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Maybe you have BIMBOS figured out.... |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 08:31 AM |
#37 |
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guess nice could also be misconstrued.. |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:35 AM |
#47 |
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salient point, salin |
datasuspect |
Nov-19-05 08:37 AM |
#51 |
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funny how on these threads |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:41 AM |
#55 |
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it would be interesting |
datasuspect |
Nov-19-05 08:43 AM |
#57 |
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very insidious |
salin |
Nov-19-05 08:59 AM |
#65 |
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And the insidious ways in which such hatred betrays itself |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 06:27 AM |
#183 |
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I'm with you guys. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 08:52 AM |
#62 |
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yes good point, TJ |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 02:58 PM |
#130 |
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Good point, Salin. So let's hear it, JohnnyCougar et al, |
raccoon |
Nov-19-05 10:47 AM |
#90 |
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Define nice guy...ok |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 01:09 PM |
#114 |
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That would be my idea of a dream man! |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-19-05 02:20 PM |
#125 |
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but that sounds very good - |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 02:59 PM |
#131 |
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Too vague for me still. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 03:07 PM |
#135 |
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To clarify... |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 03:40 PM |
#148 |
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You're right, that's exactly what I was doing. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 03:46 PM |
#151 |
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Emotional risk... |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 04:00 PM |
#157 |
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That, for me, is the main thing I'm looking for, |
raccoon |
Nov-21-05 08:20 AM |
#209 |
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There's no way I'd ever pull that shit. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 01:03 PM |
#111 |
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Women don't call back for a wide variety of reasons |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 06:34 AM |
#185 |
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that sentiment is so "miami vice" |
datasuspect |
Nov-19-05 08:33 AM |
#41 |
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Hell, even Feynman figured that out, and he was one of the smartest |
DS1 |
Nov-19-05 08:46 AM |
#59 |
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Per JohnnyCougar... this guy must get ALL the dates: |
salin |
Nov-19-05 09:03 AM |
#68 |
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I can't resist posting a bit of Bill Hicks |
Monkey see Monkey Do |
Nov-19-05 10:09 AM |
#84 |
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................ |
bushwentawol |
Nov-19-05 10:15 AM |
#86 |
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Here's one possible explanation of this "nice guy syndrome," |
raccoon |
Nov-19-05 10:26 AM |
#87 |
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nutshell post |
salin |
Nov-19-05 10:34 AM |
#89 |
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Yep, that's the ticket! n/t |
I Have A Dream |
Nov-19-05 01:34 PM |
#121 |
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You're right on. |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 07:00 AM |
#189 |
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I think it's time to read this book: |
bullwinkle428 |
Nov-19-05 10:32 AM |
#88 |
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well nice isn't supposed to mean "doormat" either |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 03:02 PM |
#132 |
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It takes lots of years for some of us to learn that, though! (n/t) |
bullwinkle428 |
Nov-19-05 07:14 PM |
#163 |
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Oh man... I read some excerpts, that's pretty pathetic! |
Syncronaut Seven |
Nov-19-05 03:21 PM |
#139 |
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The contempt such titles betray is pernicious and chilling n/t |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 07:06 AM |
#190 |
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self-delete |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 07:07 AM |
#191 |
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you have discovered a universal truth that will take you far n/t |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-19-05 11:22 AM |
#94 |
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Note: see Misunderestimator's note |
salin |
Nov-19-05 12:26 PM |
#97 |
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Um.... |
Misunderestimator |
Nov-19-05 12:27 PM |
#99 |
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point - the post I responded to seemed to exemply your earlier post |
salin |
Nov-20-05 05:49 AM |
#178 |
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Ah... sorry, I got a little confused. |
Misunderestimator |
Nov-20-05 08:16 AM |
#193 |
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Note: see Misunderestimator's note |
salin |
Nov-19-05 12:26 PM |
#98 |
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I finally have nice guys figured out |
jmm |
Nov-19-05 11:43 AM |
#95 |
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Yup, that's me allright! |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 01:12 PM |
#115 |
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All women, all the time. |
Left Is Write |
Nov-19-05 11:48 AM |
#96 |
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Nah...I'm not hurt that bad... |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 01:20 PM |
#118 |
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Telling her is good, but... |
Dangerously Amused |
Nov-19-05 03:23 PM |
#141 |
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Bah....... |
bleedingheart |
Nov-19-05 12:32 PM |
#101 |
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If you think you have them figured out, wait 5 minutes. |
ET Awful |
Nov-19-05 12:33 PM |
#104 |
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You want women to like you? |
supernova |
Nov-19-05 12:49 PM |
#110 |
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Ok... |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 01:16 PM |
#116 |
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Ooh. Consistently |
Crisco |
Nov-19-05 03:45 PM |
#150 |
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hmm |
JVS |
Nov-19-05 01:08 PM |
#112 |
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You did this on purpose didn't you? |
ismnotwasm |
Nov-19-05 01:09 PM |
#113 |
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C'mon |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 01:17 PM |
#117 |
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True. |
ismnotwasm |
Nov-19-05 01:28 PM |
#120 |
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Not all women (or men) really want a "relationshjp" |
Nikia |
Nov-19-05 01:46 PM |
#122 |
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that is a very interesting analysis Nikia |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 03:07 PM |
#134 |
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No, There Is One Thing Worse Than a Guy Pretending to Be Your Friend ... |
Crisco |
Nov-20-05 12:27 PM |
#196 |
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AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-19-05 02:41 PM |
#126 |
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Read this whole thread. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 02:55 PM |
#129 |
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Real nice guys |
GirlinContempt |
Nov-19-05 04:39 PM |
#159 |
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I never said no girls like me. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-19-05 04:44 PM |
#160 |
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Ahhhhhh |
Crisco |
Nov-20-05 12:40 PM |
#197 |
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Nah, but this last girl I let her know right away. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-20-05 01:19 PM |
#198 |
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Maybe, she is really stressed out w/ the money |
Nikia |
Nov-20-05 03:58 PM |
#199 |
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I know she is stressed out because of money. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-20-05 05:04 PM |
#203 |
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I don't think that it would be stalking to call her one more time |
Nikia |
Nov-20-05 05:49 PM |
#204 |
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Hmmm |
Crisco |
Nov-20-05 04:15 PM |
#200 |
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yeah |
uniden |
Nov-19-05 03:05 PM |
#133 |
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For women, OH yes. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 03:15 PM |
#137 |
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and she is ... |
uniden |
Nov-19-05 03:21 PM |
#140 |
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Maybe your problem is that you think you deserve Angelina Jolie |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-19-05 03:28 PM |
#142 |
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make her the Angelina Jolie |
uniden |
Nov-19-05 03:31 PM |
#145 |
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The idea of settling makes me want to throw up. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 03:59 PM |
#156 |
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I agree - I would rather be alone than settle. |
smirkymonkey |
Nov-19-05 05:11 PM |
#162 |
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Better to be alone than to wish you were |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 06:52 AM |
#188 |
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For sure. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 03:30 PM |
#143 |
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age, money, etc. |
uniden |
Nov-19-05 03:38 PM |
#147 |
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Yes, and no. |
tjdee |
Nov-19-05 03:57 PM |
#155 |
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It? |
fudge stripe cookays |
Nov-20-05 09:06 AM |
#195 |
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Sounds like you speak for yourself |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 06:49 AM |
#187 |
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ding ding ding |
tigereye |
Nov-19-05 03:08 PM |
#136 |
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Nice isn't always nice |
Ellen Forradalom |
Nov-19-05 03:19 PM |
#138 |
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You must be a Young, Young man |
new_beawr |
Nov-19-05 03:31 PM |
#144 |
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Ahh - misogeny. Gotta love it! |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Nov-19-05 03:38 PM |
#146 |
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Women are just people who aren't hung up about |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-19-05 03:41 PM |
#149 |
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are they hung up |
uniden |
Nov-19-05 03:48 PM |
#152 |
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Not as much as guys like to think |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-19-05 03:51 PM |
#154 |
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Never, ever believe you understand a woman. |
BikeWriter |
Nov-19-05 08:08 PM |
#164 |
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It scares me when you and I agree so completely on something. |
flvegan |
Nov-19-05 08:09 PM |
#165 |
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My last wife worshipped the ground I walked on for 15 years... |
BikeWriter |
Nov-19-05 08:17 PM |
#166 |
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Was yours |
flvegan |
Nov-19-05 08:21 PM |
#167 |
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Sorry to hear that. We can't live with them, can't live without them. |
BikeWriter |
Nov-19-05 08:26 PM |
#168 |
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Not only can't, but wouldn't want to. |
flvegan |
Nov-19-05 08:29 PM |
#169 |
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I'm glad you're both happy out of it. |
BikeWriter |
Nov-19-05 08:49 PM |
#170 |
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REFERENCE NOTE: for more truth, go here: |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-19-05 09:11 PM |
#171 |
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Yes, that is right on the mark |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-20-05 12:00 AM |
#175 |
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it has certainly changed my philosophies on women |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-20-05 01:20 AM |
#176 |
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What a steaming pile of crap. |
JohnnyCougar |
Nov-20-05 04:55 AM |
#177 |
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being nice |
uniden |
Nov-20-05 09:01 AM |
#194 |
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i definitely feel what you're saying |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-20-05 10:55 PM |
#205 |
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Oh my God, what a spot-on commentary |
Tallison |
Nov-20-05 06:38 AM |
#186 |
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Can you blame them? |
HEyHEY |
Nov-20-05 06:33 AM |
#184 |
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I have women figured out more than anyone...listen up, this is important.. |
hobo_baggins |
Nov-20-05 04:32 PM |
#202 |
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I like a nice guy... |
MissMillie |
Nov-21-05 08:18 AM |
#208 |
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Some of us like nice guys |
LeftyMom |
Nov-21-05 10:12 AM |
#211 |
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Women are very simple. Here's how to figure them out. |
JackDragna |
Nov-21-05 02:13 PM |
#216 |
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Most want an equal.... |
pdx_prog |
Nov-21-05 02:49 PM |
#218 |