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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:47 PM
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39. ideas need to be smashed when they become icons
then they are ossified and have lost their original intent.

I am not sure that I can remember Ellison being humble enough to admit that he is an a$$hole. Those who wear the label a$$hole as a badge of honor are the biggest a$$holes of all. The whole point of calling someone an a$$hole is to get them to behave better and stop being such an a$$hole. The a$$holes who are proud of their a$$holishness are too far gone for that, and the only thing you can do, as Santa did in "Miracle on 34th Street", is bop them over the head with your umbrella.

Usually I find with books or short stories that are made into TV shows or movies, that the written word is markedly superior to the video. Not always, "The Neverending Story" and "The Wizard of Oz" movies are better than the books, and a decent Twilight Zone episode was made out of "The Last Defender of Camelot" I was surprised with Ellison's script, especially since it won a prestigious award.

Iconoclasts do not get to replace the icons they break, usually they are stoned to death by an angry mob, or defenestrated by the icon security goons.
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  -Your favorite Star Trek original series episode brentspeak  Sep-21-05 11:47 AM   #0 
  - I've been afraid of Star Trek ever since I was 5 and  Iris   Sep-21-05 11:55 AM   #1 
  - I've analyzed your dream, and with careful Jungian insight I've concluded  Bucky   Sep-21-05 05:15 PM   #66 
  - Tribbles!  tatertop   Sep-21-05 11:55 AM   #2 
  - Welcome to DU tatertop.  MrsGrumpy   Sep-21-05 12:30 PM   #19 
  - Hi. I love tribbles, but I love kitties even more.  tatertop   Sep-21-05 01:31 PM   #33 
  - Yeah!! Welcome to DU!  Crazy Guggenheim   Sep-21-05 04:56 PM   #63 
  - I'm going to slap the first person who says "Tribbles"  Squatch   Sep-21-05 11:56 AM   #3 
  - Guess what I voted for  billyskank   Sep-21-05 12:19 PM   #11 
  - really, I cannot even believe it would make the list  hfojvt   Sep-21-05 12:34 PM   #21 
  - Bah!  tatertop   Sep-21-05 01:33 PM   #34 
  - "Who Mourns for Adonis"?  terrya   Sep-21-05 11:57 AM   #4 
  - Spock's Brain  edbermac   Sep-21-05 12:09 PM   #6 
  - No kill I!  RedCloud   Sep-21-05 12:04 PM   #5 
  - That's a horta! n/t  m_welby   Sep-21-05 12:30 PM   #18 
  - "Balance of Terror"  Richardo   Sep-21-05 12:11 PM   #7 
  - My choice as well.  Ron Mexico   Sep-21-05 01:49 PM   #41 
  - I'll drink to that as well.  Ready4Change   Sep-21-05 04:49 PM   #60 
  - I can't name just one.  Bullwinkle925   Sep-21-05 12:15 PM   #8 
  - We used to play a drinking game with the original series  Patiod   Sep-21-05 12:15 PM   #9 
  - They usually say "City On The Edge Of Forever"  billyskank   Sep-21-05 12:18 PM   #10 
  - You needed to see it in the context of the time  China_cat   Sep-21-05 12:22 PM   #12 
     - Beat me to it  Ikonoklast   Sep-21-05 12:28 PM   #15 
        - Ellison is a bleak and egotistical and tempermental man  hfojvt   Sep-21-05 12:50 PM   #25 
           - The original story line  Ikonoklast   Sep-21-05 01:15 PM   #29 
           - ideas need to be smashed when they become icons  hfojvt   Sep-21-05 01:47 PM   #39 
              - But that is when you must use naked intelligence,  Ikonoklast   Sep-21-05 03:44 PM   #53 
                 - "How dare you speak like that to the bishop?"  hfojvt   Sep-21-05 04:40 PM   #57 
           - Harlan Ellison is a total asshole.  China_cat   Sep-21-05 01:38 PM   #35 
           - I still think that there are better writers  hfojvt   Sep-21-05 01:57 PM   #42 
           - Do you have a source for this tale?  Orsino   Sep-21-05 02:09 PM   #45 
              - I remember something Ellison wrote  Xipe Totec   Sep-21-05 02:20 PM   #47 
              - back in 1995 or so, the original script was sold as a trade paperback  hfojvt   Sep-21-05 02:44 PM   #48 
  - A Piece of the Action!  EstimatedProphet   Sep-21-05 12:25 PM   #13 
  - I haven't seen it.  ContraBass Black   Sep-21-05 03:53 PM   #55 
  - Mirror, Mirror  BushIsAPooHead   Sep-21-05 12:25 PM   #14 
  - Other: the doomsday machine  m_welby   Sep-21-05 12:28 PM   #16 
  - That is so OOC.  Splatter Phoenix   Sep-21-05 03:28 PM   #50 
  - When the Enterprise was circling Uranus looking for Klingons!  RedCloud   Sep-21-05 12:29 PM   #17 
  - That was lame.  Splatter Phoenix   Sep-21-05 03:45 PM   #54 
  - "Day of the Dove", "The Doomsday Machine", or "The Immunity Syndrome"  HypnoToad   Sep-21-05 12:30 PM   #20 
  - Oh my. Doomsday Machine gives me the goosebumps. I once imagined a sequel  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-21-05 03:14 PM   #49 
  - I'm with ya regarding the Original being the best.  Ready4Change   Sep-21-05 04:57 PM   #64 
  - wait, if you include best costumed babe then it has to be  m_welby   Sep-21-05 12:34 PM   #22 
  - The one with Landreu because reminds me of Salt Lake City  devilgrrl   Sep-21-05 12:36 PM   #23 
  - Loved those  caty   Sep-21-05 12:40 PM   #24 
  - at least the one where Kirk kisses Uhura did not make the list  hfojvt   Sep-21-05 12:59 PM   #26 
  - Court Martial  NewJeffCT   Sep-21-05 01:00 PM   #27 
  - City on the Edge of Forever  SkipNewarkDE   Sep-21-05 01:13 PM   #28 
  - What was even more ironic  Xipe Totec   Sep-21-05 01:39 PM   #36 
     - Right... I saw this first as a child during the 70's and...  SkipNewarkDE   Sep-21-05 01:47 PM   #40 
        - well said n/t  Xipe Totec   Sep-21-05 02:17 PM   #46 
  - Mirror, Mirror- but I love them all.  Dr Fate   Sep-21-05 01:22 PM   #30 
  - That one where Spock and Kirk share a romantic evening in San Francisco  hunter   Sep-21-05 01:30 PM   #31 
  - Other...the OK Carrol one....  Lochloosa   Sep-21-05 01:31 PM   #32 
  - The Naked Time  Lochloosa   Sep-21-05 01:40 PM   #37 
  - Balance Of Terror  Prisoner_Number_Six   Sep-21-05 01:46 PM   #38 
  - My favorite, too.  Orsino   Sep-21-05 02:06 PM   #44 
  - "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"  MN ChimpH8R   Sep-21-05 02:01 PM   #43 
  - Give us some Harlan anecdotes!  brentspeak   Sep-21-05 03:40 PM   #52 
     - I have an Ellison anecdote!  Rob H.   Sep-21-05 04:34 PM   #56 
  - This is my coffee and chicken sandwich  soleft   Sep-21-05 03:30 PM   #51 
  - Whoa Man, you totally forgot the grooooovey space hippies,  ksilvas   Sep-21-05 04:40 PM   #58 
  - The only one I immediately turn off is Trouble With Tribbles  Awsi Dooger   Sep-21-05 04:41 PM   #59 
  - I voted for Assignment Earth, but I also liked:  Sequoia   Sep-21-05 04:51 PM   #61 
  - the one where Spock's dad and mom are on board.....  ikhor   Sep-21-05 04:52 PM   #62 
  - Yeh, you really got a sense of the Federation being intergalactic there  Bucky   Sep-21-05 05:14 PM   #65 
  - Assignment: Earth was intended as a spin off  Bucky   Sep-21-05 05:17 PM   #67 
  - "The Way to Eden"  flamingyouth   Sep-21-05 05:28 PM   #68 
  - Wasn't there one called "The Empath"?  AbbyR   Sep-21-05 05:28 PM   #69 

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