Reply #69: Very good points

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And, if Anakin had followed the truth of his path --

ie having no permanent connections outside of the Jedi -- he would have had no insecurity and chaos in his home life, because they would have been none! There was a reason the Jedi were to be "loners" -- we see how Darth Sidious used this and Anakin's wounded hubris to get him to make the Dark Choice.Free will. Anakin could have went either way until he killed Mace Windu. To me that was the real no turning back, not Order 66 and the Younglings.

Exactly, the Mace/Sidious fight was the final straw… it sure wasn’t a punk death that Jackson feared for his character. The way of the Jedi was also to blame.... besides the fact that Sidious was playing everyone.

After the movie we were talking about how the prophecy said Annakin was the chosen one. And my daughter pointed out that in the end, he was the chosen one. That he did destroy the Emperor and the Siths. His journey to that point just didn't take the path expected. I thought that was brilliant because I had never thought of it that way before.

Exactly!!!!Since Ep I, I have often made the argument that it’s the severity and archaic structure of the Jedi Order that really played a part in its own downfall…. Prohibitting love beyond friendship was their ultimate downfall… If you know anything about post Return of the Jedi, that Luke starts a new order… but this time it is different, there are familial relationships. And yes Vader himself sees his son confront the same decision he had to …. But Luke was not overtly proud…. His choices were not based on power but love….so Vader saw the truth in his own choice and did what Mace should have done if he had not stepped in… But he does step in... of course in EPIII the balance is evened... there are less jedi... but in Ep VI the Sith lose their power.... at Anakin's hand.

Don’t forget that most of the story was manipulated by Sidious/Palpatine.. he alludes to the manipulation of midichlorians by Darth Plagerous (sp?)… But eventually Sidious falls into a trap of his own…. Greed and corruption…. Vader sees through it.

I was most impressed with the whole Order 66, it just drove home the true nature of Palpatine’s plan… it was simple… the Kaminoans trained them in advance… period. took out the Jedi pretty quickly so Lucas could spend more time on Vader’s story.

Two...Yoda leading to the "a long gone friend has learned the way to immortality", Qui-Gon. And then Yoda teaching Obi-Wan on how to reach to him, seems too paradoxical.

Lucas actually shot a scene with Liam Neeson for this movie which was cut out…. This scene would probably flesh it out for you…. But I am glad Yoda made the reference to Qui-Gon. I wanted more into that cause that was the one thing I wanted to see...