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Sun May-01-05 03:12 PM
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| 73. Its been a HUGE problem in my professional career. |
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Edited on Sun May-01-05 03:16 PM by newportdadde
Three months ago during my yearly review for 2004, I basically found out I was getting the minimum raise/no promotion etc. So we started discussing it and here is a direct quote..
"X your a hardworker, you take tasks and get them done on time and get the done right the first time, but thats not enough you need to be more 'visible'."
Which is code for.. I'm not a golf buddy with a manager, I'm not a member of any departmemt club, Diversity Club, etc etc. I"m also quite in meetings because I only talk when its something important not just to hear my own voice.
So yes its a very real and very difficult issue for me.
Edit:
Decided to add some characteristics of those who are moving up the ladder.
For Men: Six foot height or more(I'm 5'8''), athletic, golfer etc.
For Women: Size 6 or less, tanned, blonde preferred. Saw a girl 6 years out of college get promotted to the level of an older unattractive lady at the same time as this lady, but the older lady took 25 years(and she is very good).
I've heard the hot girl had sex with the boss but who knows.
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| -Are you an introvert? Do you find society is discriminating against you? |
valis |
May-01-05 09:43 AM |
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I am painfully introverted. |
bertha katzenengel |
May-01-05 09:45 AM |
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But, you see, males would say that being "female" is a problem... |
valis |
May-01-05 09:49 AM |
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Maybe I'm missing your point, valis. |
bertha katzenengel |
May-01-05 09:54 AM |
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Ok, my reply is that society would like you to think it is YOUR problem... |
valis |
May-01-05 10:00 AM |
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Everyone has something to contribute -- not just us introverts -- and MANY |
bertha katzenengel |
May-01-05 03:57 PM |
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Hmmm, not really protected class status... But I think there are enough |
valis |
May-01-05 10:45 PM |
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I am generally an introvert. |
Tandalayo_Scheisskopf |
May-01-05 09:48 AM |
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What field are you in? |
valis |
May-01-05 09:51 AM |
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Horribly so. |
mutley_r_us |
May-01-05 09:57 AM |
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Yes, and no |
phaseolus |
May-01-05 10:14 AM |
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I'm the same way |
deutsey |
May-01-05 01:52 PM |
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sometimes intro, sometimes extro |
sundog |
May-01-05 10:16 AM |
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I was going to say the same thing |
belladonna |
May-01-05 10:29 PM |
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You are in good company bd! |
valis |
May-01-05 10:31 PM |
#114 |
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Introverted. |
coloradodem2005 |
May-01-05 10:38 AM |
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I'm a social introvert... |
SarahBelle |
May-01-05 10:43 AM |
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Exactly right... Many times, deals and opportunities are discussed |
valis |
May-01-05 10:47 AM |
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I guess I'm saying I can "fake it" when I have to. |
SarahBelle |
May-01-05 11:24 AM |
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i'm not an introvert (anymore) but i don't like the "inane chatter" |
bettyellen |
May-01-05 11:47 AM |
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i wouldn't say that that's discrimination... |
mark414 |
May-01-05 10:51 AM |
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You mean, like the way segregation was in the South? |
valis |
May-01-05 11:17 AM |
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are you really comparing |
mark414 |
May-01-05 11:19 AM |
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Yes, it's a fair comparison. |
valis |
May-01-05 11:23 AM |
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ok...well |
mark414 |
May-01-05 11:31 AM |
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"Introvert" is not just being "shy" and it's not always associated with it |
valis |
May-01-05 11:35 AM |
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Maybe this counts as a pattern. |
Blue in Portland |
May-01-05 12:53 PM |
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You should fake the Myers-Briggs test next time... |
valis |
May-01-05 01:04 PM |
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too many people want to blame all of lifes problems on others, Mark |
Zuni |
May-01-05 01:25 PM |
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Nice baiting... Won't work... Women are oppressed... And so are introverts |
valis |
May-01-05 01:27 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
May-01-05 01:33 PM |
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so then answer me this |
mark414 |
May-01-05 01:46 PM |
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Lol! |
Lorien |
May-01-05 02:06 PM |
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and how can i forget |
mark414 |
May-01-05 02:21 PM |
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Ok, you made your sarcastic point and we all laughed. |
valis |
May-01-05 02:26 PM |
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okay...this is getting out of hand |
mark414 |
May-01-05 10:12 PM |
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Ok, thanks for clarifying, but I disagree. |
valis |
May-01-05 10:26 PM |
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ok im just going to say it |
mark414 |
May-01-05 10:27 PM |
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Totally irrelevant, I'm afraid. Some women overcome their being |
valis |
May-01-05 02:22 PM |
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Michael Jackson never "overcame" being black |
Lorien |
May-01-05 03:06 PM |
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Why will white men always be treated better? |
valis |
May-01-05 08:41 PM |
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well, the cops did beat me real good for being shy sometimes |
Zuni |
May-01-05 02:13 PM |
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have you talked to the NAAIP lawyers yet? |
mark414 |
May-01-05 02:18 PM |
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Not yet, it's being formed as we speak. |
valis |
May-01-05 02:23 PM |
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what about my other questions? |
mark414 |
May-01-05 02:26 PM |
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What questions? You made empty sarcastic remarks... |
valis |
May-01-05 02:27 PM |
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Well, that explains why my post was ignored. n/t |
Lorien |
May-01-05 02:00 PM |
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That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard |
Zuni |
May-01-05 01:23 PM |
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Yeah, I see, that's why women are having trouble getting tenured jobs |
valis |
May-01-05 01:25 PM |
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I wasn't talking about women. I was talking about your BS argument |
Zuni |
May-01-05 01:26 PM |
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Same argument. Women are born that way. Introverts too. |
valis |
May-01-05 01:28 PM |
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that is beyond asinine |
Zuni |
May-01-05 01:32 PM |
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I'm not talking about people with mental problems |
valis |
May-01-05 01:35 PM |
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I think your question is an interesting one |
tigereye |
May-01-05 08:08 PM |
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Thanks for providing meaningful input! |
valis |
May-01-05 09:06 PM |
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See my comments about society and my class participation |
Nikia |
May-01-05 01:44 PM |
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Where is society forcing the break down of |
Lorien |
May-01-05 01:59 PM |
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From a couple of aspects |
Nikia |
May-01-05 02:32 PM |
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That has nothing to do with being introverted |
Lorien |
May-01-05 03:12 PM |
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I am just saying that it hurts introverts more |
Nikia |
May-01-05 03:57 PM |
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It really depends on why the person is |
Lorien |
May-01-05 05:14 PM |
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For me as an introvert |
Nikia |
May-01-05 06:10 PM |
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I don't see any reason to call it discrimination. |
Radical Activist |
May-01-05 08:29 PM |
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Sometimes I am shy and other times I can be outgoing. I guess it |
Shell Beau |
May-01-05 11:09 AM |
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I'm an extrovert, but if you looked like me, you'd be too: |
RandomKoolzip |
May-01-05 11:23 AM |
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You certainly are no Jerry Seinfeld... |
valis |
May-01-05 11:25 AM |
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And nor are you Philip K. Dick. |
RandomKoolzip |
May-01-05 11:27 AM |
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I recognize the last name, I think... |
valis |
May-01-05 11:30 AM |
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Now that I've re-read your post, can you explain what the fuck it means? |
RandomKoolzip |
May-01-05 11:59 AM |
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hahahahahha |
mark414 |
May-01-05 09:39 PM |
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I'm introverted and I know what you mean |
Nikia |
May-01-05 11:38 AM |
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Very thoughtful post. Thanks. |
valis |
May-01-05 11:55 AM |
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I've always been very introverted |
Will Robinson |
May-01-05 11:40 AM |
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I think extroversion is very important for job interviews |
Nikia |
May-01-05 11:57 AM |
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Jung (who coined the terms "introversion" and "extroversion" |
deutsey |
May-01-05 01:59 PM |
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On a more personal note |
Nikia |
May-01-05 11:53 AM |
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Thanks for sharing! |
valis |
May-01-05 12:41 PM |
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I hated classes where participation was graded |
Briarius |
May-01-05 01:07 PM |
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Heheh... I always did too well in school... |
valis |
May-01-05 01:10 PM |
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yea, even in the participation classes I did well |
Briarius |
May-01-05 01:20 PM |
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I've always been introverted |
Lorien |
May-01-05 12:14 PM |
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I'm an Outy... |
tinfoilinfor2005 |
May-01-05 12:45 PM |
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I'm an introvert, but... |
Jamison |
May-01-05 01:43 PM |
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I'm an INFP (Myers Briggs) and agree that our society favors extroverts |
deutsey |
May-01-05 01:49 PM |
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Thanks! BTW, here is the Myers-Briggs online |
valis |
May-01-05 01:59 PM |
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I don't know about discrimintation |
alarimer |
May-01-05 02:03 PM |
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"Discriminating" and "not understanding" are two different things |
gollygee |
May-01-05 02:09 PM |
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True |
alarimer |
May-01-05 06:08 PM |
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OK, the interview is one thing you can learn... |
valis |
May-01-05 07:03 PM |
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It is more of a problem socially though |
alarimer |
May-01-05 11:04 PM |
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Ok, as somebody else pointed out being "shy" and being "introverted" |
valis |
May-02-05 08:51 AM |
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I tried it but I didn't really fit many of the questions |
alarimer |
May-02-05 10:36 PM |
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Actually having thought about it |
alarimer |
May-03-05 12:34 PM |
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I'm an introvert and a stutterer. |
maveric |
May-01-05 02:10 PM |
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I'm an introvert, and always have been. |
bushwentawol |
May-01-05 02:33 PM |
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Its been a HUGE problem in my professional career. |
newportdadde |
May-01-05 03:12 PM |
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So, I guess the sarcastic folks in this thread would say |
valis |
May-01-05 03:25 PM |
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Not unionized. |
newportdadde |
May-01-05 03:43 PM |
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Yup, INTJ here too! |
valis |
May-01-05 03:53 PM |
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I'm another INTJ ( I think ) |
Dark_Leftist |
May-01-05 03:55 PM |
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Another INTJ checking in |
supernova |
May-01-05 03:58 PM |
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eheheh... Joking about it is good... Sometimes it's difficult... |
valis |
May-01-05 04:01 PM |
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That's good advice |
Dark_Leftist |
May-01-05 04:27 PM |
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A definite introvert |
Dark_Leftist |
May-01-05 03:21 PM |
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Good. Most people can "work on it". |
valis |
May-01-05 03:27 PM |
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Society is defintely built for extroverts |
supernova |
May-01-05 03:45 PM |
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Has mostly cost me job-wise. |
Deep N RedLand |
May-01-05 03:52 PM |
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Thanks for sharing... |
valis |
May-01-05 03:59 PM |
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Good points and... |
Deep N RedLand |
May-01-05 04:34 PM |
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All so true!! |
valis |
May-01-05 04:38 PM |
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In the introduction to The Highly Sensitive Person |
supernova |
May-01-05 04:22 PM |
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I read the HSP books, I even had lunch with Elaine Aron |
valis |
May-01-05 04:36 PM |
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Come join us in the Loners Group |
supernova |
May-01-05 04:57 PM |
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She is an interesting character.... Her books have good advice too... |
valis |
May-01-05 05:04 PM |
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Yes, it's real |
supernova |
May-01-05 05:12 PM |
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I read your thread about it in the Loners group |
Nikia |
May-01-05 06:29 PM |
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Check out her site: |
valis |
May-01-05 08:42 PM |
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To some degree... |
sjbech |
May-01-05 06:14 PM |
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There's a difference between shy and introverted. |
Bouncy Ball |
May-01-05 08:19 PM |
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You just described me perfectly!! N/T |
belladonna |
May-01-05 10:36 PM |
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Interesting. Could you take this test? I'm curious. |
valis |
May-01-05 10:39 PM |
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I know I'm an INFJ on the Meyers-Briggs. The rarest type. |
Bouncy Ball |
May-01-05 10:43 PM |
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No and no. |
Beware the Beast Man |
May-01-05 08:21 PM |
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