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dr.strangelove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:44 AM
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84. I have no idea
I try to be open minded about the religion thing. While I do not believe in god, I am not conceited enough to believe I am infallible. I may certainly be wrong and there may indeed be a god. If there is a god, I certainly would not begin to understand what being a deity would be like. I don't think my mind could begin to grasp the infinite.

To plays devil's advocate though, why would he need to lighten up. If you are talking about infinite time, in the grand scheme a hundred thousand years is not very long for someone to get over it. If you had been around for over 100 trillion years, even the few billion years since the formation of the earth is pretty much a drop in the bucket. Maybe holding a grudge for a few thousand years is like you or I being pissed off at someone over the weekend. I have certainly done that, and I think thats fairly reasonable.

As for the theology behind it, sin is not something god takes away. Its not something to get over after some water under the bridge. christians believe that sin is part of you. I can't get my great grandfather's genes out of my body, even though a shit load of crap has taken place since he was born. If original sin in part of your soul, like my granddad's physical characteristic are part of my DNA, everyone has it. Original sin can't be genetically selected out like say color blindness can.

god gave man free will, and we fucked up and sinned. god ain't gonna go back on his word and change the free will thing. If you believe this stuff, then you are a son of adam and you have to deal with the sin, just like I have to deal with bad hair and green eyes. Sin is a constant. If you believe in this, I'd be pissed off at adam and eve, not god. Anyway, christians believe that god did get over it. he gave a deal to people if they lived a good life and avoided sin they would get another shot at immortality. this is the basis for judaism and christianity, to strive for that second chance. christians believe the chance was already won and jesus' death "opened the door to heaven." I'm fairly sure that christians believe god is over the adam and eve thing and has already lightened up on it. Anyone who wants to choose heaven can do so.

Anyway, I don't buy it, but several billion people do believe in a god. I'm not sure I'm right. I'm gonna take that chance though and live life on my own terms. My rules are really not that different than christianity. I don't, or at least try not to steal, hurt others or hate. I like to help others and believe we should all treat each other like we are family.

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  -Does everybody here buy the "Christ rose from the grave" thing? Floogeldy  Mar-25-05 01:59 AM   #0 
  - his soul of course  imenja   Mar-25-05 02:02 AM   #1 
  - VG IM....that's sounds reasonable. nt  caledesi   Mar-25-05 02:06 AM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-25-05 05:47 AM   #31 
     - why not?  imenja   Mar-25-05 07:09 AM   #48 
     - That's why we are called believers  Red State Rebel   Mar-25-05 10:02 AM   #91 
  - I don't.  Pithlet   Mar-25-05 02:02 AM   #2 
  - pagan  imenja   Mar-25-05 02:04 AM   #3 
  - Reminds me of Eddie Izzard  Pithlet   Mar-25-05 02:12 AM   #7 
     - Izzard is hilarious.  StrongbadTehAwesome   Mar-25-05 06:25 AM   #40 
  - Those traditions, the Christmas Tree and the Easter Bunny  Revolutionary_Acts04   Mar-25-05 02:14 AM   #8 
  - Many of the old traditions are Pagan.  Freebird12004   Mar-25-05 03:40 AM   #27 
  - And the days of the week are pretty paganistic. Who cares?  caledesi   Mar-25-05 12:45 PM   #110 
     - Well put Caledesi !  Freebird12004   Mar-25-05 01:38 PM   #113 
  - What? Easter is the celebration of futility?  ContraBass Black   Mar-25-05 08:19 AM   #64 
  - You realize that both Easter and Christmas  lapfog_1   Mar-25-05 04:34 AM   #29 
  - yup  Skittles   Mar-25-05 07:04 AM   #46 
  - They're just pagan holidays anyhow.  El Fuego   Mar-25-05 09:41 AM   #83 
  - the spirit reentered the body  cornfedyank   Mar-25-05 02:08 AM   #5 
  - He's Zombie Jesus.  Borgnine   Mar-25-05 02:09 AM   #6 
  - Zombies  Floogeldy   Mar-25-05 02:17 AM   #10 
  - Wrong!  _TJ_   Mar-25-05 10:19 AM   #100 
  - I still don't get the "Jesus died for our sins" thing.  CanuckAmok   Mar-25-05 02:15 AM   #9 
  - I always wondered,  Revolutionary_Acts04   Mar-25-05 02:24 AM   #12 
  - Theft, adultery, arson... all the fun stuff.  CanuckAmok   Mar-25-05 02:30 AM   #14 
  - The way I understand it...  primate1   Mar-25-05 02:54 AM   #17 
  - well, fuck me.  CanuckAmok   Mar-25-05 02:58 AM   #18 
  - Kind of weird to get it from someone who gave up on religion at 13, huh?  primate1   Mar-25-05 03:07 AM   #21 
     - hell, I hung on to it till I was 37  AchtungToddler   Mar-25-05 07:54 AM   #60 
  - Am I remembering correctly, that by his death and  DODI   Mar-25-05 06:18 AM   #39 
  - I bet a lot of lambs and goats  MountainLaurel   Mar-25-05 09:40 AM   #81 
  - Let me explain my understanding  dr.strangelove   Mar-25-05 07:47 AM   #57 
     - God sure does hold a nasty grudge against Adam and humankind.  ImpeachBush   Mar-25-05 08:54 AM   #71 
        - I have no idea  dr.strangelove   Mar-25-05 09:44 AM   #84 
           - I enojoyed your reply, and agree with what you wrote ....  ImpeachBush   Mar-25-05 09:58 AM   #89 
              - Certainly  dr.strangelove   Mar-25-05 10:09 AM   #95 
  - I don't "buy" that there was an actual historical "Christ", much less...  Robeson   Mar-25-05 02:19 AM   #11 
  - Exactly  mr blur   Mar-25-05 02:30 AM   #13 
  - There is NO EVIDENCE... outside of the Bible, which, BTW, has 3 differing  opihimoimoi   Mar-25-05 02:37 AM   #15 
     - Actually  Az   Mar-25-05 03:04 AM   #20 
     - That would make Mark to be about 100 years old when he wrote  ladjf   Mar-25-05 05:54 AM   #33 
        - well I guess I'll state the obvious here  imenja   Mar-25-05 06:18 AM   #38 
           - Hmmm, I think you skipped about 5 orders of "obvious" magnitude there.  AchtungToddler   Mar-25-05 07:50 AM   #59 
              - such as?  imenja   Mar-25-05 08:36 AM   #69 
     - so what?  imenja   Mar-25-05 03:21 AM   #24 
        - "Leap of faith" = fabricated  ladjf   Mar-25-05 05:55 AM   #34 
           - read Kierkegaard before you pass judgment  imenja   Mar-25-05 06:05 AM   #35 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-25-05 06:16 AM   #37 
                 - how silly of me  imenja   Mar-25-05 06:40 AM   #41 
                 - The entire content of each of your posts to me has been solely  ladjf   Mar-25-05 07:08 AM   #47 
                    - the only thing I insult is intolerance  imenja   Mar-25-05 07:20 AM   #51 
                       - Response:  ladjf   Mar-25-05 08:01 AM   #63 
                          - my full page comment  imenja   Mar-25-05 09:06 AM   #73 
                             - You deplore the right wingers yet you share the most  ladjf   Mar-25-05 12:27 PM   #107 
                                - yes, I have faith  imenja   Mar-25-05 03:36 PM   #115 
                                   - Sorry for the break. Got called away by somewhat of an  ladjf   Mar-25-05 10:54 PM   #116 
                                      - the point is this  imenja   Mar-26-05 08:50 AM   #117 
                 - by the way, what facts would those be?  imenja   Mar-25-05 06:56 AM   #43 
                    - Facts:  ladjf   Mar-25-05 07:19 AM   #50 
                       - oh good  imenja   Mar-25-05 07:24 AM   #53 
                          - Somewhere around 500,000,000 years. In geological terms,  ladjf   Mar-25-05 07:44 AM   #55 
  - Similar camp  Az   Mar-25-05 03:03 AM   #19 
     - I think you might enjoy a book called:.....  Robeson   Mar-25-05 03:17 AM   #22 
        - Own it  Az   Mar-25-05 03:19 AM   #23 
        - Then you know.  Robeson   Mar-25-05 03:22 AM   #25 
           - Sorry, I'm not a believer and I don't buy it. n/t  RebelOne   Mar-25-05 05:42 AM   #30 
              - I'm not either, in Christ, that is, I assume thats what you were...  Robeson   Mar-25-05 06:12 AM   #36 
        - Is their a book called.something like. A man with many faces?  izzie   Mar-25-05 03:33 AM   #26 
           - No, I've not specifically heard of that book, though the theme is...  Robeson   Mar-25-05 03:49 AM   #28 
           - It might be...  CJCRANE   Mar-25-05 05:50 AM   #32 
              - I have that book  _TJ_   Mar-25-05 10:27 AM   #102 
                 - Never read it but..  CJCRANE   Mar-25-05 12:30 PM   #108 
                    - That's right  _TJ_   Mar-25-05 01:44 PM   #114 
  - Oh, a Christian-appreciation thread for Easter Week!  A-Schwarzenegger   Mar-25-05 02:44 AM   #16 
  - Yes, I certainly do.  BlondieK143   Mar-25-05 06:46 AM   #42 
  - As do I.  Midlodemocrat   Mar-25-05 08:27 AM   #66 
  - of course not. it's absurd. nt  jonnyblitz   Mar-25-05 07:01 AM   #44 
  - It's all about the message.  magnolia   Mar-25-05 07:03 AM   #45 
  - Does anyone here believe in miracles?  Donailin   Mar-25-05 07:15 AM   #49 
  - I don't but I'm open minded  _TJ_   Mar-25-05 10:18 AM   #99 
  - Thats the whole point of him being a deity, he physically returned to life  dr.strangelove   Mar-25-05 07:21 AM   #52 
  - His disciple Thomas asked for proof and got it  madison2000   Mar-25-05 07:40 AM   #54 
  - Yes, Zues Re-animated Him  AchtungToddler   Mar-25-05 07:46 AM   #56 
  - nope  BigMcLargehuge   Mar-25-05 07:48 AM   #58 
  - Yes, I believe it  noonwitch   Mar-25-05 07:54 AM   #61 
  - I hope he washed his hands before eating.  IMModerate   Mar-25-05 09:06 AM   #72 
  - Thomas Jefferson didn't buy it.  bunkerbuster1   Mar-25-05 08:01 AM   #62 
  - Nope - but Mithra...that's another story  progressoid   Mar-25-05 08:25 AM   #65 
  - I Used To  CO Liberal   Mar-25-05 08:28 AM   #67 
  - "John Barleycorn must die"  Bridget Burke   Mar-25-05 08:32 AM   #68 
  - I just have such a hard time  China_cat   Mar-25-05 08:43 AM   #70 
  - My theory ...  ImpeachBush   Mar-25-05 09:07 AM   #74 
  - blasphemer!  kodi   Mar-25-05 09:10 AM   #75 
  - Yes, I saw Kinison do that live. And no, I do not believe...  jswordy   Mar-25-05 09:12 AM   #76 
  - Was it Kinison  ginbarn   Mar-25-05 09:35 AM   #80 
     - It was Kinison, the former preacher. And...  jswordy   Mar-25-05 09:46 AM   #85 
        - My hubby studied extensively  ginbarn   Mar-25-05 09:59 AM   #90 
           - There were also conscious efforts to eliminate tracts that...  jswordy   Mar-25-05 10:06 AM   #92 
              - Absolutely!  ginbarn   Mar-25-05 10:24 AM   #101 
  - To me, the message of what Christ taught was more important.  SarahBelle   Mar-25-05 09:14 AM   #77 
  - I agree  _TJ_   Mar-25-05 10:12 AM   #96 
  - I do.  progmom   Mar-25-05 09:14 AM   #78 
  - Crucify Yourself  ignatzmouse   Mar-25-05 09:27 AM   #79 
  - If you seriously have a question for Christians regarding the  JimmyJazz   Mar-25-05 09:40 AM   #82 
  - As I see it ...  ImpeachBush   Mar-25-05 10:09 AM   #94 
  - I don't believe in ridiculing people for HAVING faith  nothingshocksmeanymore   Mar-25-05 09:48 AM   #86 
  - Thank you  Red State Rebel   Mar-25-05 09:50 AM   #88 
  - Thanks, NSMA  progmom   Mar-25-05 10:08 AM   #93 
  - A little tolerance  _TJ_   Mar-25-05 10:15 AM   #98 
  - As a Christian, it doesn't matter to me. What I get from the story is  GreenPartyVoter   Mar-25-05 09:50 AM   #87 
  - ha ha ha ha ha!  leftofthedial   Mar-25-05 10:14 AM   #97 
  - That is the wrong attitude sir!  _TJ_   Mar-25-05 10:30 AM   #103 
     - hey pal, I'm a fundamentalist  leftofthedial   Mar-25-05 10:46 AM   #104 
  - No, but I'm a Pagan  Chovexani   Mar-25-05 10:49 AM   #105 
  - yes, his spirit rose  WI_DEM   Mar-25-05 10:53 AM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-25-05 12:33 PM   #109 
  - Joseph wasn't stoned off his ass  WilliamPitt   Mar-25-05 12:46 PM   #111 
  - Yes  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-25-05 01:05 PM   #112 
  - No.  BiggJawn   Mar-26-05 08:58 AM   #118 

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