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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 02:17 AM
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40. Hell
one can hardly blame some Ukrainians when they thought they were being liberated in 1941. Stalin's war on the Ukraine was real genocide, plain and simple. My grandmother, a Cossack from Rostov in southern Russia (not Ukraine, but a city hated by the Bolsheviks, picked for purging by Lenin very early on), lived through the 1930s when Rostov was practically in a state of siege. Food shortages were epidemic and people ate tree bark, dogs, grass seeds. many members of her family and people she knew, including her first husband were executed or dissappeared.
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  -600.000 French died in WWII, 2-3 million inWW 1. Swede  Mar-12-05 01:41 AM   #0 
  - Thats what I say  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 01:43 AM   #1 
  - The numbers are beyond our comprehension John.  Swede   Mar-12-05 01:46 AM   #4 
  - I know, they were brave as anyone  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 01:49 AM   #7 
     - When a guy reads the history of first war,it seems like a slow comedy of  Swede   Mar-12-05 01:56 AM   #13 
        - Its very hard to imagine realyl and its sad  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 01:59 AM   #18 
  - not likely  Zuni   Mar-12-05 01:53 AM   #9 
  - My bad, but we do at least know in the total war they lost more  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 01:54 AM   #10 
  - Their losses in WWI probably exceed our total losses  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:10 AM   #33 
  - 1 in 3 Frenchmen between 18 and 40 died in WWI  Kathy in Cambridge   Mar-12-05 03:28 PM   #116 
     - Every cemetery has a marker with names  uppityperson   Mar-12-05 07:53 PM   #132 
  - REALLY ACCORDING TO SEAN HANNITY  Quixote1818   Mar-12-05 11:06 AM   #106 
  - Vive la France!  CubsFan1982   Mar-12-05 01:45 AM   #2 
  - I wonder how many French 'cowards' routed the best of Europe's  Zuni   Mar-12-05 01:58 AM   #16 
  - The only ones calling them cowards..  enigmatic   Mar-12-05 01:45 AM   #3 
  - Exactly. Democracy without France is incomprehensible.  Swede   Mar-12-05 01:49 AM   #6 
  - I wouldn't go that far.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:29 AM   #53 
  - French Batallion won 3 Presidential Distinguished Unit Citations in Korea  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 01:47 AM   #5 
  - France lost 1.5 million in WWI, approx. 2-300,000 in WWII  Zuni   Mar-12-05 01:51 AM   #8 
  - Incredible numbers.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:00 AM   #19 
  - Even more...  intrepid_wanderer   Mar-12-05 07:12 AM   #97 
     - 1500+  uppityperson   Mar-12-05 07:54 PM   #133 
        - NO.  intrepid_wanderer   Mar-13-05 09:10 AM   #138 
  - The French continued fighting in WWII after the fall of France  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 02:10 AM   #32 
  - True for the Free French. Not so for the Vichy.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:14 AM   #37 
  - The French fleet at Mers El Kebir wasn't officially Vichy  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 02:27 AM   #49 
     - That's has been, and likely will be, argued until doomsday.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:32 AM   #57 
     - The British couldn't take that chance  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:42 AM   #69 
        - Actually, I believe the ships were under Admiral Gensoul  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 02:55 AM   #80 
           - I think you are right  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:57 AM   #84 
  - no argument here  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:38 AM   #65 
     - The Casino defenses actually were not that important  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 02:58 AM   #85 
  - WWII  femmecahors   Mar-12-05 06:13 AM   #96 
  - SS/Charlemagne...  solinvictus   Mar-12-05 07:52 PM   #131 
     - Many in the French Resistance were Communists  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-13-05 01:15 AM   #136 
  - Your WW II numbers are actually a little low.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 01:54 AM   #11 
  - De gaulle was a real pain in the ass, frankly  Zuni   Mar-12-05 01:58 AM   #14 
     - De gaulle was a real pain in the ass, frankly  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:01 AM   #20 
     - Sadly, Petain, the most famous Vichy leader  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:06 AM   #26 
     - Churchill liked DeGaulle but Roosevelt absolutely hated him  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 02:19 AM   #41 
        - De Gaulle was an idol of Nixons  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:20 AM   #42 
           - So did I! But no-one listened to me...  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Mar-12-05 04:27 PM   #121 
  - anyone who says the French are cowards...  WindRavenX   Mar-12-05 01:55 AM   #12 
  - Just for the heck of it, try this on for size.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 01:58 AM   #15 
  - The USSR lost 27 million in WWII  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:01 AM   #21 
  - I deliberately chose the lower, well actually near median estimate  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:05 AM   #24 
  - Yeah. I love what the Nazis did with the Ukranians.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:08 AM   #28 
     - Hell  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:17 AM   #40 
        - Whats sad is you wouldnt know what to do  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:22 AM   #44 
           - it is really hard to pick a 'lesser evil'  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:25 AM   #46 
              - Thats whats so sad about many things in history  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:26 AM   #47 
                 - my grandparents joined neither  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:30 AM   #55 
                    - I am glad for them  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:33 AM   #58 
  - These numbers are beyond comprehension.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:03 AM   #23 
  - Typical librul carping...  rooboy   Mar-12-05 01:59 AM   #17 
  - lol, that's something O'Reilly would actually say too n/t  Anarcho-Socialist   Mar-12-05 08:54 AM   #99 
  - On the whole, I agree, but  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:03 AM   #22 
  - They were facists all right.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:07 AM   #27 
     - The French SS Divison Charlemagne  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:09 AM   #29 
     - Ive read about British SS divisions too interestingly enough  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:10 AM   #31 
        - The British 'Division'  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:12 AM   #36 
        - Ahh interesting  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:15 AM   #38 
           - John,my uncle Tony was with the Canadians on D-Day.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:29 AM   #51 
              - Amazing, what beach was that again?  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:29 AM   #54 
                 - Juno beach.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:34 AM   #61 
                    - Didnt know that  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:36 AM   #63 
                    - Canadians were not picked on then  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:45 AM   #74 
                       - Never be afraid to come back to Canada.  Darth_Kitten   Mar-12-05 11:54 AM   #109 
                    - I'll have to ask my uncle.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:37 AM   #64 
                    - Well if hes on the american beaches  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:38 AM   #66 
                    - It was the luck of the draw.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:43 AM   #72 
                    - I visited all the beaches when I was 9.  rockymountaindem   Mar-12-05 10:36 AM   #103 
                    - Gold and Sword were British beaches  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:47 AM   #76 
                       - That's me and names.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 10:43 AM   #104 
                    - They made it to the outskirts of Caen  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:43 AM   #71 
                       - Its good that Hitler was so bad with his marshals  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:45 AM   #73 
                          - His hands were tied  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:54 AM   #79 
        - Have you ever read about the Spanish Blue Division?  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:15 AM   #39 
        - Not squelched very well.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:34 AM   #60 
           - Was there an actual American division fighting?  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:38 AM   #67 
           - I've read nothing to verify it.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 11:09 AM   #107 
           - The Bund was made illegal  Zuni   Mar-12-05 01:33 PM   #111 
        - There were Swiss,Norwegian,and Ukrainian SS too.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:21 AM   #43 
           - Well Tito himself was half Croatian but yes many Croats  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:23 AM   #45 
           - The Croatian Ustasha  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:26 AM   #48 
              - Ante Pavelic was a bastard  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:29 AM   #52 
           - don't forget Sweden  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:28 AM   #50 
              - What a black mark on "neutral" Sweden.  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:31 AM   #56 
              - Norweigans were on the allies right?  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:34 AM   #59 
              - The French fought in Norway, too  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 02:41 AM   #68 
              - I had no idea  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:43 AM   #70 
              - Swedish Wallenberg was THE Hero of the Holocaust  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:55 AM   #81 
                 - Why did they do that?  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:56 AM   #83 
                    - they were nasty fucks  Zuni   Mar-12-05 03:02 AM   #88 
                       - They sure were, god I hate Stalin  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 03:05 AM   #90 
              - The Finns fought w/ the nazis  Zuni   Mar-12-05 03:00 AM   #86 
                 - Didnt the Finns win that war with Russia?  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 03:02 AM   #87 
                    - No  Zuni   Mar-12-05 03:03 AM   #89 
                       - Oh oops  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 03:06 AM   #91 
              - And - let's not even get started on the Swiss.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:35 AM   #62 
     - True to a point.  alwynsw   Mar-12-05 02:12 AM   #35 
        - Churchill once  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Mar-12-05 04:40 PM   #122 
  - Had some freeper cousin try to tell a joke last thanksgiving,  Lone Pawn   Mar-12-05 02:05 AM   #25 
  - How does this bullshit spread?  Swede   Mar-12-05 02:11 AM   #34 
     - Both. And blindly so....  Robeson   Mar-12-05 04:34 AM   #94 
  - There are 5500 French soldiers in Afghanistan  Neo   Mar-12-05 02:09 AM   #30 
  - And they were in Nam before the Yanks  HEyHEY   Mar-12-05 02:47 AM   #75 
  - While it took the USA 3 years to anti -up against HITLER  HEyHEY   Mar-12-05 02:47 AM   #77 
  - Stupid America First assholes  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 02:48 AM   #78 
  - Watch your tone, buddy.  Pooka Fey   Mar-12-05 03:26 PM   #114 
     - He means the 1939-1942 period  Zuni   Mar-12-05 07:34 PM   #126 
     - Oh. Thanks for shedding a little light on that heat.  Pooka Fey   Mar-13-05 12:50 AM   #135 
     - DOn't tell me to watch my tone  HEyHEY   Mar-12-05 07:46 PM   #130 
  - and didn't do much worse either  Zuni   Mar-12-05 02:56 AM   #82 
     - Actually, the French were fighting in four times the terrority  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 03:24 AM   #93 
        - But most of the soldiers weren't actually french  Zuni   Mar-12-05 01:45 PM   #112 
           - When you say Algerians, you are in part talking about French  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 04:20 PM   #119 
              - I am aware of the Pied Noirs  Zuni   Mar-12-05 07:32 PM   #125 
  - And the French were the first to arrive in France on D-Day  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 03:22 AM   #92 
  - I thought the first Allied casualty on D-Day was Lt. Brotheridge  Zuni   Mar-12-05 01:29 PM   #110 
  - Its also in Ambrose's D-Day  JohnKleeb   Mar-12-05 03:27 PM   #115 
  - read "the Longest Day'  Zuni   Mar-12-05 07:43 PM   #129 
  - The French also made a movie called the "Sky Batallion"  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 04:08 PM   #118 
     - And the Polish paratroopers  aint_no_life_nowhere   Mar-12-05 05:12 PM   #124 
        - The Polish Para Brigade in Arnhem  Zuni   Mar-12-05 07:39 PM   #127 
  - Don't forget the American and British Paratroopers right behind 'em  Pooka Fey   Mar-12-05 03:16 PM   #113 
     - Let's not forget Juno  HEyHEY   Mar-12-05 07:55 PM   #134 
  - The Republicans talking heads are idiots  imenja   Mar-12-05 05:31 AM   #95 
  - Conservatives Don't Read History  VogonGlory   Mar-12-05 08:40 AM   #98 
  - But they aren't  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Mar-12-05 04:50 PM   #123 
  - What about the French intervention in the War of Independence?  Anarcho-Socialist   Mar-12-05 09:00 AM   #100 
  - The Americans wouldn't have stood a chance without the French in that war.  Pooka Fey   Mar-12-05 03:54 PM   #117 
  - The French were right about the WMDs  Mich Otter   Mar-12-05 10:09 AM   #101 
  - d'accord!  datasuspect   Mar-12-05 10:10 AM   #102 
  - Consider too, the psychological factors in such staggering losses.  Aristus   Mar-12-05 10:48 AM   #105 
  - I will be in Paris Thursday,  tinfoilinfor2005   Mar-12-05 11:10 AM   #108 
  - And De Gaulle,  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Mar-12-05 04:24 PM   #120 
  - De Gaulle was a genius  Zuni   Mar-12-05 07:41 PM   #128 
     - Spot on, Zuni.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Mar-14-05 03:46 PM   #139 
  - 9,000 collaborators summarily executed, 40,000 sentenced to  Neshanic   Mar-13-05 01:37 AM   #137 
 

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